I2P: >Where can i download I2p? geti2p.net/en/ >What is I2P? I2P is an anonymous overlay network, it is designed so other software can use it for communication(IRC,torrenting,filesharing,and many more) >Where can i learn more about I2P? geti2p.net/en/docs
GNUnet: >Where can i downlad GNUnet? gnunet.org/downloads >What is GNUnet? GNUnet is a software framework for decentralized, peer-to-peer networking(communications over many transports (such as TCP, UDP, HTTP, HTTPS, WLAN and Bluetooth)) >Handbook? gnunet.org/handbooks
IPFS: >What is IPFS? It's basically BitTorrent on steroids.
"First they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning."
Christopher Jackson
How accurate is this chart
Josiah Carter
I say I2P, Tor and GNUnet are the only oe worth it. Think about it, Tor is for hiding in the regular net, i2p has no exit nodes except one and is via Tor, can do torrents, e-mail, irc, and shit. GNUnet is an entire new internet suite altogether.
Its being say you use i2p with Tor as an exit node to regular internet.
Landon Evans
GnuNet seems cool, but is there anything there ?
Ryan Walker
>freenet >you have to pay to use it
???
Aaron Wood
no you don't?
Bentley Long
Not yet but they've making a frotend for the layman gnunet.io/
Alexander Clark
awww....
Andrew James
it is free just download and run
Samuel Mitchell
A lot, i never used GNUnet but i read documentation and it fits in the middle
Jaxon Adams
>GnuNet wasn't that basically abandonware?
Dylan Evans
I use I2P for torrenting (a lot of recent stuff is on postman tracker+ you can submit a wish), but Freenet is also good i have 9 RPi3 in darknet(friend to friend)mode each with 32GB sd card and 20GB datastore (i just ask my friends and familly "hey can you run this little cute computer 24/7?"), so i have safe backup with ~50-60Kbps data access rate
Gabriel Barnes
So i2p is /our/ network?
Hudson Watson
Torrents,IRCs,dynamic websites, data redundancy LAFS (like freenet but inside i2p and slower :D )
Leo Hall
yes
Brandon Hall
where's the best place to find the good stuff?
Ethan Torres
which darknet ?
Jose Sullivan
up
Evan Young
Ask the developers to set email and irc, is literally the only thing we need.
Nicholas Brooks
you have that on i2p
email:I2P-Bote IRC: existing tunnel on 6668
Cooper Foster
it's a p2p network, so we need fancy stuff to attract more people
Elijah Smith
>you have that on i2p I already know that, but the gnunet protocol is better although it doesn't have irc or mail yet.
Like mail or irc, together with a chan are literally the only things left before abandon this sinking ship that is the clearnet.
Thomas James
I never used GNUnet before only i2p,tor and freenet, im decentralized for 8 months now. Torrenting over i2p and surfing clarnet over tor. Best decision i made was to leave facebook and google botnets.
Henry Rivera
I second this.
Jaxon Butler
Accurate, but it doesn't include a critical factor: speed. Gnunet is completely unusable because your speed is measured in bits per second when downloading, for example. Not to mention the index is almost always out of date (you never know if any peer can access a chunk, and most often the answers is: no).
Kayden Collins
Came here to post this. What the hell are you even trying to say?
Ian Barnes
You can get "the good stuff" anywhere, including clearnet. The important part is whether or not "the good stuff" is a honeypot, which it inevitably is. I hope you get raped in jail, degenerate.
Brayden Long
Not that accurate. Freenet isn't anonymous. It's fairly easy to figure out what someone's downloading on the network. It's only good in it's friends only mode.
Brayden Fisher
You should really just say that Freenet was made to be censorship-proof, not anonymising. And there's more to p2p than just those three attributes. It works good enough for the triad, though, I guess.
Nolan Cooper
Yes essential it's a misconception people. It shouldn't be included with the other anonymous software because that isn't what it's made for. I2p is clearly the best in my opinion. It solves most of the weaknesses in Tor and has a lot more functionality. The only problem is the lack of bundled browser and extremely weak documentation. Ironically some of the best stuff on how to set it up is only available within the network. I love the torrent sites. There's a lot of cool content available and way less of the seedy criminal crap like Tor.
Gabriel Jackson
You forgot the fact the only working i2p impl is dogshit.
Hunter Smith
Well, there's criminal stuff everywhere, including the www. That's just what Tor is known for, because the people who use it are normies, and, in reality, that's not actually the case. As someone who's maintained a node, I can tell you that the majority of people use Tor the way it should be used, just like a VPN. And what they use it for is usually just browsing Facebook from the Middle East or whatever hellhole they live in.
Justin Reyes
>Tor is known for, because the people who use it are normies Yes it's idiot proof so criminals use it for their activities. You are right that there's so much clearnet traffic a lot of illegal activity can be hidden in plain sight but Tor is filled with the stuff. The i2p devs have been pretty hostile to sketchy websites and have the ability to make it difficult for people to get to them. Which is something they get criticized for but i2p doesn't have the negative press like the other darknets.
Sebastian Watson
I think it's fine. The code is very well documented and it runs on basically anything thanks to Java. So it's easy to install it on routers and stuff.
Ayden Hughes
You're also forgetting the fact that hidden services on Tor are a messy, insecure hack. Plus, neither protocols are censorship proof, nor were they intended to, so the whole discussion is stupid.
Nicholas Brooks
I2p is censorship resistant because it's not centralized and works well with peer to peer programs. You can create a retroshare site that's hosted on the network itself.
Xavier Butler
Not really.
Easton Campbell
Why is that?
Ryan Moore
A good example is nntp-overchan, which has been down across all nodes multiple times in the past. Look it up and you will understand what the issues are.
Joshua Carter
Ah, I see what you mean. I thought you were referring to address books.
Nathan Gutierrez
How do address books work? The documentation on basic functions are so poor. I was never really sure.
Samuel Price
Good for you. What's your point? Or are you just bragging?
Chase Turner
We are talking about use cases. you have to dig into the documentation to understand the finer points, but watch out for the gnunet documentation because that's advanced stuff.
Brayden Brown
Did you mean to respond to that post, because I'm having a hard time understanding what your point is.
Elijah Russell
>I can tell you that the majority of people use Tor the way it should be used, just like a VPN. And what they use it for is usually just browsing Facebook from the Middle East or whatever hellhole they live in. This is a legit good reason for me to try Tor.
Colton Taylor
Probably some strange, arcane form of math magicks.
Lincoln Rodriguez
I don't even what the fuck is happening anymore.
Connor Reed
Yeah. I am sincerely disoriented, and every thread on Sup Forums that I've read since now is literally gibberish, and I don't know if my water's been spiked or I'm having a stroke or if everyone's just now talking gibberish, and I just missed the memo. My cat is totally freaking out, too, I have no idea why.
Let me get this, there is an nntpchan instance o i2p?
Sebastian Torres
There are two NNTPchan servers in I2P. You have to find them.
Why can't anyone in this thread speak English?
William Collins
> You have to find them Thats going to be hard. The developers despise image boards more then anything. They've done everything in their power to stop you from reaching them.
Aaron Mitchell
....That does not make any sense. If you have a copy of I2P installed you can do anything with it.
Aiden Rogers
addresses books. i2p domains need to be resolved somehow you need to find a copy that has the image boards listed. The dev provided one does not.
Jackson Gutierrez
>Why can't anyone in this thread speak English? Third worlders are drawn to p2p, because it's the only way they can subvert their oppressive governments.
Oliver Jackson
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say they're actively trying to censor image boards. I mean, just because you have the freedom to share such a site doesn't mean that you have to. It's their prerogative, after all.
Leo Martinez
I didn't say they were censoring anything. They don't like image boards and they're a legal risk. I was just saying they make it hard for you to reach them.
Benjamin Thompson
Oh right. That's fine then.
Elijah Ward
i guess response to "abandon this sinking ship that is the clearnet"
> i2pd is c++ version Too bad it does not build against 2.6.32 kernel in ASUS routers.
Isaiah Cook
Well i only use i2p on my pc. Can you give me link for i2p on routers ?
Andrew Lewis
There seems to be bots and/or shills at work all over the place, they don't care to give consistent answers or replies and this is probably the result.
Dominic Allen
And it is also abandonware and segfaults all the time.
For i2p is safer to use debian/ubuntu official repos or is it better just use the jar file?
Angel Hughes
>java >ever safe
Eli Hernandez
The package is the same. It's in your interest to download the package through a your distribution's repository so that you can handle it with your package manager. It's just easier that way--not only to manage but also to keep up to date, so long as the maintainer is reliable. It's also easier to add i2p to the default runlevel with your init this way.
Chase Collins
I ask cuz I have doubts about third party repos.
I can verify the jar file but idk if there is a way to verify a repo.
Luis Torres
Again, yes, third party repos aren't necessarily up to snuff. The question you have to ask yourself first is whether or not that repo has been up to date. And the second question is whether manually downloading, untarring, and then dropping that jar into your path is something you're actually going to pull off. There should be some documentation pertaining to any Ubuntu repo.
Hunter Flores
>Where can I download Freenet? Illegal encrypted filestore that will get you arrested like so many have been recently.
>I2P is an anonymous overlay network, it is designed so other software can use it for communication(IRC,torrenting,filesharing,and many more)
It's slow ass fuck.
Josiah Parker
>GNUnet is a software framework for decentral...
Hipster trash with no users. Mind as well be retroshare or limewire at this point.
Landon Jackson
Most routers run some kind of UNIX and if there's a port of java for their os then you can run i2p on them using the normal jar file from the website. The only problem I've found os there's no documentation on the ports i2p uses.
Ian Adams
zeronet master race
Luke Stewart
>i2p has no exit nodes except one It's shit anyway
Oliver Garcia
>~50-60Kbps kilobits per second...
Dominic Mitchell
>if there's a port of java
On a fucking router? Mips or dual core ARM? Even raspi struggles to run java...
Grayson Adams
k, thanks onii-chan
Isaac Brown
>a literal honeypot of the worst kind >master anything Captcha: schiller route
Mason Fisher
>honeypot via torrents
Cameron Hall
I'm using a raspi. Its not getting much use but it ran okay when I tried it.
Dylan King
>it ran okay What did you download, how long did it take to download? I can imagine the raspi3 being enough for 1mBps at least.
Joseph Jackson
>Illegal encrypted filestore that will get you arrested like so many have been recently.
not in friend to friend mode
Matthew Cook
The concept isn't bad, but this implementation is broken by design.
Nolan Campbell
>not in friend to friend mode Only pedophiles run freenet, not even drug vendors use freenet...
Christopher Parker
I got some ebooks over i2pshark. It was a little slower then normal but no misshaps.
Justin Flores
im using rpi3s for freenet i have 9 of them in darknet mode (friend to friend) each with 20GB datastore. They are all idle 90% of the time and temps are under control without heatsink
Eli Brown
>have 9 of them in darknet mode (friend to friend) each with 20GB datastore. >They are all idle 90% of the time and temps are under control without heatsink
Freenet is mainly for pedos, i'm sure you aren't that's why I'm wondering why you would go through the trouble running something like this, let alone your family. You mind as well run BTsync or syncthing instead.
Evan Garcia
>if I keep repeating my assertion, it will be the truth Stop this, you're not going to convince anyone to stop using something just because you don't like it, under some baseless claim.
"The Magistrate Judge did not commit a clear or obvious error in his application of the foregone conclusion doctrine," the court ruled. "In this regard, the Magistrate Judge rested his decision rejecting the Fifth Amendment challenge on factual findings that are amply supported by the record."
The suspect's attorney, Federal Public Defender Keith Donoghue, was disappointed by the ruling.
"The fact remains that the government has not brought charges," Donoghue said in a telephone interview. "Our client has now been in custody for almost 18 months based on his assertion of his Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination."
A child-porn investigation focused on Rawls when the authorities were monitoring the online network, Freenet.
Carson Sanders
reddit.com/r/Freenet/comments/3ti8c9/successful_freenet_attack_results_in_arrest/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet#Vulnerabilities: Law enforcement agencies have claimed to have successfully infiltrated freenet opennet in order to deanonymize users but no technical details have been given to support these allegations. One report stated that, "A child-porn investigation focused on... [the suspect] when the authorities were monitoring the online network, Freenet. "A different report indicated arrests may have been based on the BlackICE project leaks, that are debunked for using bad math.
Just because they also use it does not mean that's what it's intended for, it allows for it to happen, it is not the purpose of the network or the technology. I'm getting real sick of all these "if you care about X then you must be a pedophile" posts, there are legitimate reasons to use a censorship resistant and anonymous network that don't involve morally questionable data, that's ignoring the ease of self hosting and other merits of the platform as well.
John Sanders
>Just because they also use it does not mean that's what it's intended for, it allows for it to happen, it is not the purpose of the network or the technology. The majority is what law enforcement sees and those arrested always have child pornography.
>I'm getting real sick of all these "if you care about X then you must be a pedophile" posts Stop promoting a network that is at most a fileshare for pedos (no drugs or weapons like Tor).
>there are legitimate reasons to use a censorship resistant and anonymous network that don't involve morally questionable data
Debian ISOs? BigBuck Bunny? What are legit, legal things that people would need to share anonymously.
>that's ignoring the ease of self hosting and other merits of the platform as well. Like that one guy ITT, that use 9 RaspberryPis in botnet-mode.
Michael Thomas
Would it, securitywise, be wise to have a i2p setup running 24/7?
Luis Anderson
Any material that isn't extreme left in nature has to be shared anonymously nowadays. Even saying you don't like a specific piece of technology, or a movie, or a game, is borderline illegal.
Aiden Peterson
>that isn't extreme left in nature What did he mean by this?
