I2P: >Where can i download I2p? geti2p.net/en/ >What is I2P? I2P is an anonymous overlay network, it is designed so other software can use it for communication(IRC,torrenting,filesharing,and many more) >Where can i learn more about I2P? geti2p.net/en/docs
GNUnet: >Where can i downlad GNUnet? gnunet.org/downloads >What is GNUnet? GNUnet is a software framework for decentralized, peer-to-peer networking(communications over many transports (such as TCP, UDP, HTTP, HTTPS, WLAN and Bluetooth)) >Handbook? gnunet.org/handbooks
IPFS: >What is IPFS? It's basically BitTorrent on steroids.
checking those blessed trips use freenet and wait for the partyvan
Cameron Miller
Trips for p2p!
Levi Evans
Private trackers are better
Jayden Sanders
Isn't it hilarious how most private trackers invest value in bandwidth? The whole point of private trackers is ostensibly to get away from capitalism, yet, in private trackers, you see a purer manifestation of capitalism than even Hollywood could pull off. There are literally bittorrent clients with a built in marketplace, where you pay a set amount of money for a piece of media. Pirates can't even grasp a means of distributing media that isn't confined by the normal, capitalist means of consumption. "Pirates are Communists". What a joke. Kim Dotcom was an anarcho capitalist. Most leakers are blue collar workers who have nothing against capitalism, except in that naive, objectivist fantasy of a free market where small businesses reign. And we know for a fact that in most cases, piracy doesn't affect the profit of big studios. If anything, piracy helps the market.
Camden Gutierrez
This, truth has been spoken.
Elijah Gomez
>valuing sharing is capitalism which client has the built in marketplace? certainly not ones people actually want to use
are you a communist because you make about as much sense as one
Charles Rogers
I should add: the trick of anti-piracy propaganda isn't to make you hate it, it's to delude you into thinking that piracy is subversive when, again, we know for a fact that piracy doesn't harm the industry. In fact, piracy is a useful vehicle for political agendas, such as ISDR, "I Sue Democratic Republics", which is a clause in certain patent legislature. Piracy is also useful on a practical scale for large studios, because it allows consumers to enjoy the media of those studios where the free market has failed to distribute that media, as with Australia and the Game of Thrones series.
Jose Kelly
It is. By treating media as a commodity, you're taking advantage of the fundaments capitalism. Whether that's a good thing is discuss-able, and I'm sorry I came out so biased, but I just wanted to point that out.
Dylan Morgan
I remember the case of Linkin Park it helped them to become mainstream, and there are others cases too.
Caleb Scott
quickly remind: Don't leave your router configurations in default
Andrew King
What do you mean by router configurations? Default to what? And what should we do in lieu of that?
Easton Hughes
Not him but some people leave the default password. There are other options one should change but I don't recall right now, hopefully another user can add more info.
Nolan Rogers
Anyone hosts ftp or gopher on i2p?
Ethan Russell
Feasible but not really likely, considering both of those are deprecated.
Leo Morris
Some guy told me gopher is done on i2p and setting it is easy, I will try.
William Martinez
>Some guy told me gopher is done on i2p What do you mean? That i2p supports the gopher protocol? Or that there's a blossoming community of i2p users using gopher? If the former, that's an incredibly pointless statement, because everyone knows that i2p was made to run any traditional internet service, and if you didn't already know that, you're really ignorant and ought to do some more research. If the latter, well, that's incredibly weird and not very useful if you're not going to point us in their direction.
Josiah Reyes
Well that's incredibly obvious. Thanks for the absolutely useless advice.
Connor Bennett
I only know this by a chat on their IRC but the guy said is done. Of course is obvious but the other guys asked about these services and he didn't know what can or can't be done.
Robert Price
What?
Brody Wood
People make gopher servers on i2p.
Daniel Ortiz
Is there an ipfs cheatsheet? Anywhere?
Daniel Roberts
Maybe we can start building one with contributions from around
Bentley White
If only there were some way to collaboratively create documents without requiring a proprietary service...
Alexander Edwards
Nave you heard about gobby? Is similar to etherpad but decentralized. Anyway, on the last thread we spoke about gittorrent, a decentralized git(hub). Imagine what we could do with something like this.
Jordan Gray
I'll believe you when I see it.
Logan Ortiz
With gobby you start a server and invite collaborators by sending them an address of your server. Pretty cool actually.
Aiden Diaz
Or just write it in the wiki
Jordan Evans
Write what?
Blake Lee
anyone interested in writing an ipfs qt gui? join #ipfs-qt on freenode
Marketing. There was 3 or 4 similar competitors. Anyone could have won.
Ethereum did have something interesting with their smart contracts but ultimately they got shadowed by the coin market it came with.
Brody Perry
Remember when the wiki went down and literally nobody noticed? Although that's probably the best idea. Better include it in the next OP.
Jack Nguyen
wtf no webRTC? I feel like it is the most likely to become the p2p of the masses.
Oliver Bennett
Bump
Alexander Wilson
Doesn't all altcoins, etherium included, mostly follow the price of Bitcoin?
Eli Miller
It allows you to build monetary incentives into p2p stuff and allows for decentralized ownership when that's necessary.
As an example, 2 interesting ETH projects to watch would be ENS and Swarm. ENS is basically a decentralized DNS where you can rent human readable names which link to ETH addresses. Swarm is a bit like IPFS but with built in plausible deniability, light anonymity, and the built in ability to get payed for storing stuff (like filecoin does for IPFS). Put these 2 together and you can have p2p websites which work pretty much like normal websites. Here's a gateway and an example of this working swarm-gateways.net/bzz:/theswarm.eth/
Both projects are in alpha but are functional.
Parker Flores
yacy.net/en/index.html this is good can we index i2p, tor and freenet with this, and if we can, how ???
Joshua King
I second this question. Imagine the possibilities!
Thomas Ortiz
>I feel like it is the most likely to become the p2p of the masses. How so?
Isaac Ramirez
Meant to reply to
Brody Rodriguez
>quoting the wrong post first day, user?
Hunter Taylor
So this is an i2p/tor competitor. Interesting.
If I'm understanding it right, you basically get paid Ethereum for hosting nodes? In a vague and roundabout sort of way, "mining" by providing bandwidth? That's an interesting concept.
ipfs+filecoin and orchid+ethereum might be pretty neat.
Christopher Richardson
>Swarm Can someone who's more knowledgeable than I provide a tl;dr comparison between it and ipfs? Because the bullet points make it seem like it's already better than ipfs out of the box, which kinda seems to good to be true.
Jayden Taylor
bumb for interest
Aaron Martinez
ITT: Pedophiles who should be murdered.
Zachary Collins
what do you have against privacy ?
Austin Myers
What do you have against using question marks properly, pedophile?
Benjamin Baker
What do you have against not using question marks properly, anti privacy nazi ?
Austin Price
>What do you have against not using question marks properly It's wrong, just like you trading child porn.
James Green
I don't trade child porn that is illegal!
Ryder Stewart
You do. Otherwise you wouldn't be interested in this thread. You're not fooling anyone.
Anthony Moore
>falling for trite bait this hard
Elijah Foster
naaah i was just waiting him for *le freenet datastore full of cp* so i can say "WRONG its full of urandom.img files and cat videos"
Jackson King
You realize that people who don't speak English natively aren't welcome here, right?
Christian Rogers
How usable is the i2p c++ version? Does it have mail and torrenting too?
Christian Lee
oh sorry i will go away....enjoy pedo board :(((
Cooper Thomas
But freenet IS full of CP. Like, I tried running a node for a day, and I decided to shut it down because it's either random useless shit or CP.
Henry Mitchell
full of CP = secure ?
Isaiah Gomez
IPFS +project is more complete +can immediately connect and share/download files due to usage of a DHT (like bittorrent) -not great about keeping files accessible without someone pinning them -requires filecoin to incentivize long term storage -leaching is not punished -easy to tell who is downloading/pinning what
SWARM +upload and disappear capability +built in incentivized file storage +nodes keep track of resource use by nodes they are connected to, nodes are encouraged to "trade" data through this which encourages commonly requested chunks to be cloned across many nodes. This results in chunks being found on and requested by essentially random nodes rather than just those who have pinned or are requesting the content. Combined this discourages leaching, increases redundancy, and results in pseudoanonymity for users. +plausible deniability for stored files -VERY alpha software, many key features are not complete -uses content addressed chunk archive rather than DHT, this requires nodes to sync before doing much, light clients may allow fast access but this still needs to be worked out -largely unproven technology
Elijah Morris
So theoretically swarm is better than ipfs, but it's still in very early stages (even earlier than ipfs) and largely unproved? Right?
Kayden Rogers
Theoretically but it depends ENTIRELY on how they deal with the light client issue. No system where you have to download a specialized client and sync 30GB of data is ever going to beat out a system where you can connect using some javascript in your browser. Given how reliant the Swarm model is on trading files and given how light clients really can't do that I'm curious how they will deal with the issue.
Jacob Ross
>admitting to possessing child porn dont do this
Adam Allen
I am unsure about the advantages and disadvantages of both. Until I see more I can't have an opinion.
Thomas Morris
t. cianigger
Juan Jenkins
Why ignore Zeronet?
Nathaniel Turner
Broken trash
Juan Wright
Works fine for me, even has a mobile app.
Joseph Diaz
I mean broken by design. Sure it works exactly as intended, but the problem is that "as intended" is riddled with flaws.
Oliver Wood
The fuck are you on about? Everything you store is encrypted.
If you don't want to see CP then don't go to a CP freesite.
Hunter Reyes
Such as?
Chase James
Meh, it has problems, but not more so than anything other than TOR. I for one can't stand I2P. It's ridiculously slow.
Aaron Jenkins
I mean like the content is basically full of CP.
If there's no (or very little) useful content, and the rest is CP, why should I keep hosting it?
Jaxson Fisher
Any place that is censorship resistant and allows people to anonymously share files will inevitably have CP and other illegal content. If you're interested solely in "useful content" then there are often more efficient alternatives in the clearnet meaning you don't have to deal with the overhead of pseudo-anonymous P2P networks.
Carter Morris
We all make mistakes, user. How to troll /p2p/ 101. How many threads have we even had, yet? Two? Nope. Well, firstly, there are two implementations of i2p with c++, but the second one is forked from i2pd, so I'm just going to talk about that. No, i2pd does not have any of those applications. In fact, it doesn't even have a web interface, as all the configuration you're doing is in a config file. That's because there is software outside of i2p that can by used in lieu of the prepackaged i2p software, such as transmission.
Sebastian Adams
Too bad, was looking for a way to make work mail and torrenting on i2pd and compile it on a server.
Easton Peterson
Botnet
Thomas Wright
Why care about zeronet?
Jaxon Martinez
Dynamic multi-user websites + Tor integration.
Ayden Flores
are you too fucking stupid to use something other than the prepackaged javashit?
Blake Campbell
I'm having a hard time even understanding what he's trying to say.
Cameron Ortiz
Why not just use I2P
Xavier Reyes
Looks like he intended to respond to someone else. What a retard, eh?
Michael Cox
I'm not entirely sure who you're referring to, actually. This whole thread is really confusing.
Sebastian Barnes
I misread and contributed to the confusion. Read "he" as "you" for whatever reason.
Jace Jones
anyone had actual success running or establishing a meshnet in their community/uni/bedroom? how did you persuade people it was worth the effort?
Cooper Nelson
You mean, like, by talking to people? Real people? Not people on my computer screen? Real flesh-and-blood people? I know it's Halloween, but jeez, don't scare me like that. That would be really terrifying.
Nathan Fisher
>bedroom That was easy, as I own all the devices in my bedroom.
Julian Sanchez
Who the hell uses any of this for anything but cheese?
Jackson Diaz
Those who hope for a better internet.
Right now the centralised model is inherently flawed. This is why a few giants like facebook, google, amazon, etc. have grown to receive - and thus control - something like 70% or 90% of the internet. This means that they can censor content they don't like, enforce the rules they want, and mine all the data they want.
With a decenstralised internet - a la freenet/ipfs/swarm - this is likely to be mitigated. The lack of a closed-source, central server will mean that even if some services grow to be popular enough, any one node will be able to know exactly as much as anybody else, so no single entity will be able to control anything and there won't be any secret data mining. If a set of nodes decide they want to censor some particular opinion, no other nodes have to comply - and unlike in the clearnet, where to get away from e.g. youtube you need to build an entirely separate service which will fail because nobody will use it, in a decentralised network a "fork" that is identical but doesn't implement the unwanted censorship or whatever would likely be able to incorporate the "original" parts of the network, too, thus mitigating the problem of content control.
As for data mining/collection, if every node is basically equal, then you either have built-in data collection and everyone can see everyone's data and they'll all fuck off from the flawed service, or you're forced to actually have good privacy.
Now, the problem of course is that illegal or shady actors will be the first to adopt any system like this. This is why I like ipfs - it can be used with other underlying protocols, like i2p, if desired, but by itself it doesn't offer anonymity and so is less attractive to pedos.
Owen Watson
A valiant response to blatant bait.
Jose Allen
> bait
Yea, sure.
Juan Cox
Yeah.
Cameron Ramirez
Maybe the wiki can be cloned into ipfs for times like that
Hudson Nelson
It's easy to use since you don't need to install anything just open a website. On the other hand, it will be hard to get people to seed since they can simply close the page.
Justin Rogers
Pirates and rebels
Gavin Young
Functioning non-cancer fully distributed delegated moderation imageboard FUCKING WHEN
