ARM: Obviously there's a shit ton of SBCs (Pi, Olimex, etc). For a laptop option with an open firmware, try ARM Chromebooks. I'm dead serious. Open it up, unscrew the write protection screw, reflash coreboot, install loonix of choice. coreboot.org/Chromebooks In general, your biggest concern with ARM is the GPU drivers. Mali is fucked. Don't use it. PowerVR too. Vivante GC, Qualcomm Ardreno, and Broadcom VideoCore are fine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_graphics_device_driver#ARM Some anons have reported that lighter environments like XFCE are usable on stuff like Mali without the driver, but it's not ideal. One user said he couldn't remove the ChromeOS on his libreboot C201. This github issue talks about a solution. github.com/altreact/archbk/issues/3
OpenPOWER: Raptor Engineering sells POWER9 workstations, that may soon be getting RYF certification. They're expensive as fuck, but probably the most powerful non-botnet computers that exist. Comparable to Xeons/Epyc. raptorcs.com/TALOSII/
PowerPC: Here is a project for a Libre PowerPC laptop, shooting for RYF certification. powerpc-notebook.org/faq/
MIPS: The /csg/ of desktops. Lemote is a chink company that sells libre MIPS boards, using PMON firmware. lemote.com/html/product/
What's the difference between OpenPOWER and PowerPC?
Henry Fisher
If I get a libre non x86 SBC, how well will linux and BSD be supported?
Logan Anderson
It saddens me that the x86 architecture is fucked beyond salvation.
Sebastian Cruz
Pretty damn well. Many major distros and BSDs support ARM, and there's still some that support MIPS. I wouldn't know much about RISC-V, as it's super new, but I'd imagine support for that is coming soon.
I think endian
Henry Cooper
This is the future you chose.
Every time you purchased a computer. Every time you installed proprietary software. You helped x86. You helped Intel and AMD maintain their duopoly.
Sebastian Gray
Yep. I really don't see that Libreboot X220 happening.
Grayson Allen
Now we have reached the ultimate. All competing architectures will never achieve critical mass. Let us end this pointless illusion of freedom.
Joseph Howard
>will never achieve critical mass Why would you ever want that ? it will just ruin those architectures.
Thomas Scott
>Let us end this pointless illusion of freedom. I wonder who is behind this post?
Christian Adams
It is time for a hardware subscription model. You no longer own your computer, you merely rent it. We have reached diminishing returns for performance improvements. The easiest way for Intel and AMD to remain profitable is to extract monthly payments from their users. ME and the AMD equivalent provide the tools necessary to enforce this.
Jayden Adams
This has been made necessary by the number of holdouts who still run local software, and keep copies of their files locally. They cannot be trapped by software-as-a-service or cloud storage.
David Brooks
>this will be the future
Matthew Stewart
Scariest part of this is that this is actually what they want.
Levi Bell
Ransomware has an interesting similarity to the future. Pay up within the time limit, or lose access to your files forever. A subscription model is both more forgiving and more insidious. You can regain access to your files at any point by paying, but you must continue paying forever.
Hudson Thompson
How difficult is it to make your own SBC?
Wyatt White
Indeed, the behavior of the victims of ransomware attacks could be used to fine-tune the parameters of a subscription model.
Grayson Bennett
>hrt
Jaxson Clark
You may think you can escape this by disconnecting. Never giving your computer internet access again. This will work, for a time. You won't get any software updates, but at the same time you won't get any attacks.
However, consider the frequency with which modern CPUs receive microcode updates.
Jason Stewart
They may be categorized as bugfixes, or security updates. You may be content to live without them. But there can't be that many bugs in a modern CPU, can there?
Gavin Kelly
Consider a hypothetical microcode update, that modified a CPU to keep functioning for the next six months, but no longer. And another microcode update in three months time, which extended the operation of the CPU for a further three months. And another three months after that, and so on and so on.
Evan Wilson
Desktop and mobile working the same side by side will help drive interest in SBCs
Dylan Anderson
But surely these could be audited by distro maintainers, etc.? Well, they need not contain any malicious code. Simply applying a signed update to the CPU lets it know that the computer has been connected to the internet recently. The CPU could already contain the kill code.
Jace Lee
Of course, this sort of speculation is absolutely ridiculous, and bordering on insane.
Isaiah Gutierrez
>absolutely ridiculous, and bordering on insane. Indeed
lel
What do you mean?
Oliver Torres
maybe ARM with phones/mobile taking over
Landon Turner
Guys, I think I may have hit the fuckin jackpot! embeddedplanet.com/product/single-board-computers/ Lots of this stuff claims U-boot, and the processors seem to be either powerPC or occasionally MIPS.
Sebastian Sullivan
Can anyone comment on this? Is this legit? It's going into the list for sure if it is!
Cavium makes super-high-performance ARM and MIPS CPUs. We're talking 2.5 GHz, 48-core holy shit processors. cavium.com/Table.html
Oliver Price
Bump
Kayden Jackson
NO
NO
NO FUCK YOU
YOU TAKE AWAY MY RIGHT TO RUN AND KEEP EVERYTHING LOCALLY AND I WILL SET YOUR PRECIOUS DATA CENTERS ALIGHT YOUR HEADQUARTERS ARE NOT SAFE
THIS IS AN ACTIVE THREAT
Daniel Brown
I 100% agree with this post.
Daniel Taylor
Congratulations user, you’re now on a new active watch list
Mason Adams
Can ANYONE confirm this ? Seems too good to be true.
Gavin Kelly
Are you really more interested in destroying things, rather than creating something better yourself?
Campaign and vote for your rights and freedoms, each in your respective countries. Create new things, better things. Lead by example. Think!
Ethan Anderson
AMD Piledriver is their last pre-botnet chip. FX-8350 is a great choice. Slap in an SSD and Gentoo with j8 and -march=native FLIES on it.
David Carter
Good stuff. Added that to the x86 section.
Jackson Phillips
It's real. Cavium Octeon in particular had an OpenBSD port.
Austin Reed
Flashed libreboot on my C100P (identical to the C201 except it has a touch screen). Libreboot loads, offers me the standard ctrl+d or ctrl+u for internal/external boot. Neither work. Standard unchanged ChromeOS on the internal that came with the device. ArchARM on a micro SD. Kali on a USB. None of them work. When I try to boot any of them, the screen flashes white for a sec then black (but not dead, still powered). Any anons had similar issues? I'd rather not reflash externally back to the factory bootloader (saved a copy before trying libreboot), but it's looking necessary.
Lincoln Miller
*has
Brayden Morris
Flash back to factory so it's at least in a in a known state.
Carson Young
Someone knows a cheap board with armv8 64-bits?
Kayden Davis
>For a laptop option with an open firmware, try ARM Chromebooks. >I'm dead serious. Open it up, unscrew the write protection screw, reflash coreboot, install loonix of choice.
Yep, for all the botnet complaints Chromebooks are the most open modern platforms in existence.
Nolan Turner
The next laptop I get is going to be a chromebook (you can get them super cheap pre-owned around here because people get buyers remorse from thinking they're "not real laptops").
Just got to wait for this T60 to die...
Thomas Walker
Maybe build and flash coreboot? coreboot.org/Chromebooks With coreboot, you can have other payloads like SeaBIOS. Admittedly i'm not an expert on issues like this, but maybe the fact that Libreboot keeps the depthcharge payload for some reason is the problem?
Connor Myers
>buying pre-owned hardware user, I...
James Carter
I'm really not fussed about what some silly old woman did with her "not real computer" if I only have to pay £20 for it.
Henry Barnes
It already came with coreboot from the factory. When I reflash, it will be coreboot again. It's my understanding that SeaBios won't run on my non-intel chip (please correct me if wrong).
Asher Ramirez
Do you know if there are any ARM Chromebooks with Adreno or Vivante GPUs? I'd like to be able to use FOSS drivers.
Gavin Gray
Will do but then what? Do you think it's a depthcharge payload issue?
Charles Parker
You probably just got a bad download. Make sure checksums match.
Zachary Scott
After looking through all these different models and options, I am honestly at loss with them, but according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture ARMv8-A architecture is used in Cortex-A53, which is used in Allwinner H5, which can be had for 20 bucks in orangepi.org/orangepipc2/ with 1 GB of DDR3. Allwinner, yeah, I know, but on the cheaper side nonetheless.
Michael Williams
Adreno is Qualcomm, so unlikely. Vivante is Freescale/NXP, so probably not until i.MX8 hits.
Adrian Parker
>SeaBios won't run on my non-intel chip Is that true though? the coreboot site says something about x86 there, but I don't know if that means it can't work on ARM.
My point is that as I have no clue what the problem is, I'm just making the guess that it's a depthcharge problem, and one of the many other payload options would work better. I'm probably completely wrong, but that's my theory.
Andrew Watson
Where can you get them for 20 british dollars each?
Jason Perry
x86 BIOS is only for x86. UBoot on ARM just loads a kernel directly.
Anthony Turner
Gumtree, where everyone sells things they have buyer's remorse.
Oh, but can you run anything other than fucking android on it?
Luis Allen
You're welcome. You have to be patient, but among all the piss takers you'll find people selling "broken" or "old" things for next to nothing. Remember, if something "wont turn on" it's likely just static (don't tell them that though).
William Nguyen
Freedreno works with upstream kernels so probably.
Blake Thompson
>These instructions will create a dual-booting environment where you can switch between booting Arch Linux ARM and the stock ChromeOS Not exactly ideal.
Jaxon Ward
>3.14 kernel Disgustingly far out of date.
David Kelly
Used that exact guide to prepare the microSD. I checked it and it external booted perfectly to Arch before I flashed libreboot. It doesn't work after I flashed libreboot.
Luis Johnson
They're promising support for Ubuntu in the future
Wyatt Allen
ARM64 with open bootloaders and GPU drivers is the future.
Cooper Jenkins
>yfw hackers was right and risc really will change everything
William Butler
I live in Germany, my wife is Chinese. we have been talking to lemote today to negotiate about reselling their hardware in Germany as it's not really obtainable here. We probably found an agreement to license their hardware. I have a degree in electrical engineering and I committed quite a bit to OpenBSD. I'm planning to sell their hardware in routers, firewalls etc in Germany but also to resell their CPU, boards and laptops since there might be a big enough market to justify it.
I'll keep you posted. I'm about to dump my life savings into opening a company that sells devices built with libre hardware
Nicholas Nelson
Stuff added: Embedded planet NXP PowerPC stuff. Embeddedplanet Cavium MIPS stuff. A mention of Cavium in general because those CPUs look god-tier. That Inforce board.
Still looking for clarification on ARM chromebooks. Need a surefire method to get ChromeOS the fuck out of there (no USB dual boot shit).
Sebastian Thomas
What is the point of using Crouton on a Chromebook?
Jacob Barnes
Holy shit, man. I wish you the best of luck. I hope it goes well. It sounds like such a big risk, but it might just be the risk that we need to get RISC.
Julian Mitchell
If you set up shop then drop a note to Stallman and the FSF, they might be able to put the word out to get you some sales.
Aaron Hill
If you have US-QWERTY keyboards as an option you'll get a ton of sales.
Benjamin Nelson
Looks like another way of doing a 'dual boot' sort of thing. I just really wish it were more possible to just wipe the fucking chromeOS entirely off the device, and freely install regular distros to the internal memory like you would on any regular laptop.
Ian Johnson
Claim of C201 libreboot andArch install on internal without crouton or dual boot that I found on YouTube.
What kind of prices will they be going for, because I'd totally throw some money down on this being my next PC build or laptop.
Bentley Cruz
> my wife is Chinese
Jonathan Myers
I took them off the list. Used to have them on there because "OpenFirmware", but apparently this """Open""" firmware isn't actually open, and it's a proprietary implementation of some standard called OpenFirmware.
I could be wrong though.
Jeremiah Reed
Crouton is a chroot (or possibly LXC container these days). It gives you a proper GNU userspace without ditching the ChromeOS kernel, which means you get full driver support. This is less useful on hardware with proper open drivers.
Hunter Nelson
OpenFirmware on SPARC is actually open, but SPARC is falling behind even ARM on single thread performance nowadays.
Connor Morales
H O W ? ! ?
Aiden Robinson
>race mixing
Alexander Ortiz
>local software >copies locally etc. you make it sound like this isn't the norm. i-is that true??
Julian Ortiz
The entire point of webapps, Chromebooks, and mobile is DA CLOOOUUUUD.
Hudson Torres
It's all going to (((the cloud))), user!
Nicholas Bell
I didn't know that bullshit was taking over so quickly
Brayden Rivera
whooops
Cooper Torres
Just wait until it gets revealed that certain CPUs have a killswitch timer. Oh,it's been 5 years? Poof, up it goes in smoke. Better buy a new computer, goy.
Lucas Lopez
Someone leave a message on that dude's channel or email him asking for Kevin. Kevin knows his shit evidently. Have Kevin post instructions or video it.
Jacob Garcia
This is the kinda thing i'm talking about. There has to be a method of just installing your own stuff on there. Goodbye Google. Hello freedom!
Isaiah Evans
Reported to United Nations.
Zachary Hall
The chinks will always be willing to sell us real, unlocked, hardware, for a price. They want money.
Colton Roberts
what are the chances they just add their own backdoors
