If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO i5 7500/7600K or i7 7700/K. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE >G4560/G4600 for non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >R3 1200 - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) >R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper / i7 - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
GPUs: >Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >GTX 1050Ti and 3GB 1060 are the only reasonably priced cards; 6GB 1060 or 4GB 580 if you want to overpay a little >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
If I have a working (tested on another computer) PSU plugged (both mobo and CPU power cables) into mobo+CPU+RAM and nothing turns on at all, not even fans or LEDs, the mobo is fried, right?
I have built several PCs but never experienced component failure before.
Charles Parker
Is the ''ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1060 Mini, ZT-P10600A-10L, 6GB GDDR5 Super Compact'' card a recommended card? Some sites have it as low as $230, but I am a little concerned that it's a mini-GPU. Does that mean it might be a little underclocked? Never used a single fan GPU like this one before.
Ryan Cox
I need case recommendations. No ATX cases, only mATX or mini ITX please.
Also can I run ubuntu 16.04 with an 8700k or is the kernel too out of date?
Lucas White
>paper launched cpu is recommended
Chase Gutierrez
The only difference is that it has one fan and gets hotter than a two fan version. Personally, I would get a two fan.
Aiden Diaz
Most people here seem to think it has fully launched. You won't be able to actually find and buy a 8400 until at least 2018.
Robert Adams
how much are you looking to spend? also yes, but why would you
Jackson Stewart
Could be the CPU or so I've been told. I had the same issue a month ago. Never figured out if it was the mobo or the cpu since I didn't have the means to test each individually.
Cooper Collins
They were freely available for the first couple of days, when everybody was too distracted by the 8700K to notice it. I bought one the day after launch for a great price. Ended up returning it after two different motherboards proved to be shit though and bought a 1600 instead.
Blake Wright
Are you sure you're shorting the right pins? Have you tried it with a video card in?
Jack Mitchell
Sadly no two fan 6GB models are on sale, yet
David Ross
Seriously. What a shitty OP. Plus the 8700 is half assed. Soldering on two extra cores without the proper architecture to support the change hardly warrants an extra $80 compared to the 7700k. Not to mention the premium you have St spend on the new mobos which are unusually high in price.
Daniel Campbell
>how much are you looking to spend? I don't really have a set price point. Was looking at the Ncase M1 which is $230 but my main reservation is I'm not sure how bad heat would be with an 8700k and a 1080 ti without a custom loop.
>also yes, but why would you Because 17.10 is trash and 16.04 is probably the most sane Linux distribution at the moment.
Jacob Roberts
>Soldering on two extra cores without the proper architecture I'm having flashbacks of the q6600
Nathaniel Roberts
I don't think they will go on much of a sale. They're still in strong demand and good for mining.
David Evans
So what did you do? Sent them both back? In my case they are both brand new. Yes, confirmed by the user manual
Blake Cruz
Is it ok if I settle for a 3GB 1060? I heard it's shit and at that point I should just buy a 1050ti.
It's a shame because the next big release I want to play is FFXV on PC. I doubt a 1050ti will run it well at 1080p
Dominic Williams
>the 8700 is half assed. Soldering on two extra cores without the proper architecture to support the change hardly warrants an extra $80 compared to the 7700k. I guess I have to come to /pcbg/ to see where the retarded underclass hangs out.. Benchmarks speak for themselves. The 8700K is an extremely powerful CPU both in single core and multicore performance, the latter of which is a +50% improvement over the i7 7700. $80 is less than 30% of the cost of the CPU, so from a performance/dollar standpoint you're getting a lot of value relative to the previous generation. Your whole "proper architecture" meme is complete and utter BS as disproven by benchmarks. Think about it: the first consumer Core i7 had six cores and twelve threads. Not like the basic architecture wasn't designed with up to six cores in mind.
You are incredible stupid if you believe what you posted. If you're just meming, good job, I replied.
Daniel Gonzalez
no
Jose Hill
>I heard it's shit and at that point I should just buy a 1050ti. Absolutely not shit. 3GB 1060 performs way better in benchmarks.
Jayden Ward
I built a new pc. You should just send both back and get an RMA from the retailer. Well that is if someone on here can't help you. This crap shouldn't cause you any more anguish. I wish I had that option.
Eli Wright
3GB of vram is not very good. I would just bite the bullet and buy a 6GB.
Andrew Myers
That's weird. Why do so many people tell me not to bother then with it? Couple people have told me the 3GB is the death sentence for the card and the VRAM will hold it back terribly.
In truth I'm just looking for a decently priced card that will play FFXV reasonably when it comes out honestly
Juan Price
Maybe you'd have less overclocking headroom because of the single fan, but the 1060 doesn't produce a lot of heat (you can check power consumption benchmarks) so a single fan can handle stock clocks just fine.
>Soldering on two extra cores without the proper architecture to support the change You're a dumbass.
Asher Morris
If cores we're all it took to make CPUs proportally better they'd just slap on more cores every generation instead of the 5-10% gains we've seen every year in processors for the last 8 or 9 years. We're seeing a ton of benchmarks where the 7700k stands up to the 8700k. Some do take advantage of the extra two cores but most benchmarks are the typical yearly gains we see. Don't kid yourself. CPUs have been seeing diminishing gains for almost a decade and this is just an optimization of kaby lake.
Thomas Barnes
Are those 3 fucking pins, 3 fucking pins as if 2 8 pins were not enough.
Gabriel Wilson
That also recommends 16GB of system RAM. I bet it'll run great on 8GB. Seems like the recommended specs are getting more accurate these days but often in the past they just listed the latest and greatest from the major product lines
I wouldn't build based on some possibly completely inaccurate (or possibly completely accurate) system "requirements."
Evan Morales
>in stock at 1:15 >out of stock at 1:45
Face it, it's not a full launch. It won't be readily available in mass until 2018.
David Campbell
This. They're Japanese devs. They have no concept of recommended hardware.
Ryder Robinson
just got this guy from a bankrupt company for 130 $. Should I put in a consumer GPU? Should I upgrade the RAM?
Gaming is obviously not my first purpose, else I wouldn't have got a Xeon. Mainly I got it because until yesterday I was using a 2006 Core 2 Quad and this was cheap af. All I do is programming and shitposting, but maybe now that I have the hardware I could also play some games.
Is it worth it to put a consumer GPU in that (Maybe 1050 TI?) or should I just leave it as is since it's a cheap piece of crap anyway?
Carson Rodriguez
It does indeed appear to be so.
Joseph Morris
You're a fucking moron, and you don't know what you're talking about. Stop posting.
The 5-10% increases have been, and will continue to be, the norm in single threaded performance. The difference between Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake is the massive increase in MULTITHREADED performance. "Muh games" don't see much of an increase, because they're graphics limited anyway (which is why you mistakenly believe that the 7700K "stands up" to the 8700K, news flash a 4 core i5 can max out many games at reasonable settings and resolution) but render times sure as hell benefit from multithreaded capability as do many tasks like compression. Even "muh games" are trending toward better multicore utilization and optimization.
Connor Cruz
First time building my own machine
Any tips?
Juan Johnson
Read guides.
Tyler Barnes
Read the OP.
Jose Cook
I guess if you can't figure out how to get your hands on one, you don't deserve it anyway, retard. This board is for enthusiasts who can figure out how to buy some fucking enthusiast hardware in a half hour window. Fuck off with your notion that until the masses can pick it up it's unavailable to the god damn ENTHUSIASTS in this thread
Jonathan Thompson
The only reason it's even somewhat available right now is so that Intel has something to compete with Ryzen. It's really only a paper launch at this point. I don't know why you're getting so angry.
Justin Foster
lmoa fucking 3 pins, I'm sticking to my reference vega fuck that.
Robert Collins
Sounds like you'd be better off with ryzen if you have no interest in seeing all around gains and just care about top possible performance. Bet that threadripper is looking mighty fine to you. Totally worth recommending to everyone in the thread, I'm sure.
Caleb Anderson
I severely doubt it makes that much of a difference unless Sapphire are doing some really aggressive binning (which I doubt on a nitro card). Bring back Toxic cards sapphire! Still, from an asthetic point of view I really like the card.
Adam Stewart
Well it makes difference for me since I don't have that many pins on my psu and I really don't want to buy a new one.
Nathan Lopez
What sort of psu that can feed vega only has two pcie cables?
Kevin Jackson
well apparently mine
Kayden Lewis
PC turns on for 2 seconds and then shuts down. Keeps looping like this. What could be the cause? I'm
Ayden Carter
building a pc is really easy unless you have braindamage
the real question is "first time troubleshooting my own machine, any tips"
Andrew Hall
Anything.
Michael Anderson
What gpu should I get for this? i'm going to use it as a htpc / lite gaming rig. I had all the parts except the g4620 and it was cheap so I got it.
Dominic Miller
does each part come with its respective cable or was that something I forgot to buy?
Carter Lopez
1050ti
Samuel Gonzalez
do you have a motherboard speaker. If yes, google what it beeps, if no, get one does your motherboard have check LEDs, if yes, check them does your motherboard have a 7 segment display, if yes, check it and google what it gives you
take out gpu and boot with iGPU if you can take out RAM, then use one stick at a time, if one doesn't work, try the other, try different slots too do you have alternate hardware to test the system with like a PSU
Kevin Wilson
Depends on the product.
Dominic Morales
usually the motherboard comes with SATA cables and your power supply comes with the cables it needs what do you think you're missing?
Christopher Martin
Is this fucked?
Christopher Brown
according to bottleneck calculator your cpu is also shit and it recommends shit gpus
GTX 760 and above will apparently not bottleneck your CPU
Tyler Brooks
No I just ordered everything but a cpu recently, was wondering if I forgot something. It's not like I'm in a rush though.
Justin Carter
Blurriness doesn't help but thats look pretty rough.
Nolan Fisher
Did not know there was such thing as a bottleneck calculator. That'll be useful
Jordan Rodriguez
>I don't know why you're getting so angry. Tired of the paper-stutterfire memes. I just wanna talk about the hardware
Adam Rogers
is this a good deal for an AMD FX/Mobo/RAM? or is it a scam?
I have absolutely no idea how trustworthy it is, but might be a good baseline
it's used hardware so who the fuck knows I've seen full towers go for 450 which are around that tier or better, so it's ok but not a steal
Elijah Morgan
Been running some things through it and it seems to be saying that combing a 1060 with a core i7 3770 would work pretty well. Dunno if that's true or not but that was the sort of upgrade I was wanting to do to my machine (bumping the i3 to an i7 and getting a decent GPU)
Easton Myers
That board is only good for 4.5ghz for regular the vishera (you can push the 'e' chips a fair bit further on lower tier boards) if you can actually keep the vrms cool.
Jackson Rodriguez
A 1050Ti would be great for light gaming. Depends on the games. You could go up to a 1060 or down to a 1050, depending.
>bottleneck calculator I wouldn't trust it
>Sounds like you'd be better off with ryzen Cry much? We're talking about the advancement from the i7 7700K to the i7 8700K. Ryzen is irrelevant when comparing Intel CPUs to other Intel CPUs. The 7700K has already MAXED OUT most games (sometimes with 100s of FPS with low enough graphics settings), which means that, yeah, no shit the 8700K wouldn't be a smart upgrade for gaming. THE CPU IS NOT THE LIMITATION in most games. It's the graphics card, or the game engine, or even the monitor.
>if you have no interest in seeing all around gains and just care about top possible performance. I don't care about top possible performance. I care about VALUE and that's why I considered the price vs performance of two specific chips, the 8700K and the 7700K
>Bet that threadripper is looking mighty fine to you. Totally worth recommending to everyone in the thread, I'm sure. Not at all, dumbass. Almost no one needs it.
Oliver Bennett
>4 sticks of 1866mhz ram
for sure
Blake King
You'd be better off with the G4560 or R3 1200 and 8GB of RAM. Cheaper too
Aiden Long
That's one question I've been wanting to ask.
So currently I have an LGA1155 board running a core i3 3220. I want to try upgrade it to a core i7 3770, bump the ram to 8 or 16 gig and stick a 1050ti or 1060 in or something.
My question is, considering what I have at the moment and the upgrades I'm planning on doing would I be better off continuing with my planned upgrade path on this LGA1155 board or would I be better off paying more to buy a new mobo with a Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 7 on it?
What are the advantages and disadvantages to the two approaches and which one would you recommend?
With Black Friday coming up, would a move from a 1070 to 56/64 make much sense? Would there be any performance benefit, or would it be more of a lateral move? For reference, my resolution is currently 1440p (but that's potentially subject to change).
I purchased my 1070 back when AMD had absolutely no high-end offerings on the market, but I'm considering selling my GPU/monitor & switching to Vega for a few reasons: Firstly, I'd like to escape the tyranny of G-Sync and upgrade my current monitor to a Freesync one (which would probably end up being a better overall monitor for the money), secondly AMD seems to have better Linux support than Nvidia (at least, these days), and lastly Nvidia sucks dick.
However, a few questions: -Are there any future releases I should be mindful of? For instance, the AIB cards for Vega are coming out soon, right? -Is there anything I should bear in mind while searching for a Freesync monitor? It's to my understanding that, relative to G-Sync, Freesync implementations can vary. -Lastly, what's the deal with recommending 56s over 64s? I take it they can be overclocked to 64 levels? I don't mind spending the extra money--but does the 64 have a low overclock ceiling relative to the 56 (similar to the 1070 vs the 1080)?
Thanks.
Jackson Hernandez
For like $100 more you can just buy Ryzen parts...
Ryzen 5 1600 + Mobo + 16GB will cost you like $350 and be 50% faster AND new.
Jordan Butler
Advantages of an in-place upgrade
>generally cheaper >often a wider selection of parts depending on how new the other options are
Advantages of a full system rebuild
>brand new shiny parts rather than used (and possibly abused) components >access to newer features (may or may not be that important)
Really it comes down to budget - a ryzen 7 chip is absolutely monstrous next to the 3770 (to wite a 1700 has twice the thread count in a lower TDP and higher performance) but DDR4 isn't cheap at the moment.
Personally unless you feel your system is way behind what you desire the 3770 isn't a bad choice if you can source one cheap enough - especially if it lets you go up a tier on the gpu side.
Connor Brown
Currently the board I have is only accepting DDR3 and there are only 2 DIMM slots (the mobo itself caps out at 16 gig of ram which is more than enough).
The CPU upgrade would be complimenting a GPU upgrade to a 1060 or something. At the moment in my country (New Zealand) 3770's are selling for around about 200 NZD on our local auction websites with a new ryzen 5 1400 costing around 250 dollars, a 1500X costing 284 and a 1600X costing 385.
I don't have too many complaints with my current system but there are a few things that the motherboard lacks that I feel are kinda annoying.
Firstly it's only using SATA II, no SATA III support. Secondly there is no USB 3.0 support, at all. (I could stick in an expansion card to add it but there's only 4 expansion slots and 1 of the regular PCI slots will get covered up by a wider GPU) Thirdly there's no M2 slot either (so it kinda feels wasteful hooking up an SSD to it when said SSD would be bottlenecked by the older version of sata or the lack of a M2 port)
Gabriel Brooks
I wouldn't buy any more DDR3 than you absolutely have to. 8GB is still fine for now Personally I'd go the lite upgrade route (+4GB of RAM in your case) because it's cheaper.
If you really want 16GB of RAM it's probably time to go Ryzen though. For gaming you're only looking at the R3 1200, R5 1400, or R5 1600, not any of the R7s.
You're wasting money if you buy a bunch of DDR3. May as well get a modern platform if the total difference is like $30 extra per 8GB.
You can get an R3 1200 + mobo + 8GB DDR4, which is better than the FX CPU + 16GB of DDR3, for the same price.
That would cost him at least $400, and considering his previous selection is only $250, I doubt he's in the market for an extra $150. Something closer to the FX 8350 in multicore score is the R3 1200.
Angel Powell
>That would cost him at least $400
Microcenter has bundles of Ryzen 5 1600 + B350 motherboard of your choice for $230.
Grab a cheapo 16GB stick of DDR4 for $120.
Voila. $350.
If he is so strapped for cash then he should just wait until he has more. Better than buying 5+ year old used parts.
Liam Howard
is an m.2 ssd worth it? seems silly when I'm building a middle of the road pc and the most I'll get out of it is 2 second faster boot times or are there some other benefits I'm missing?
Blake Cook
What are your thoughts on 24" vs 27" screens? With my new build I've been considering getting a larger screen to really enjoy the eye candy, but making that jump necessitates 1440p vs 1080p and together with the monitor size itself, the price difference is pretty massive.
Carter Fisher
Eh, you gotta take into account what you're sacrificing by going single channel ram and how that could potentially bottleneck the system
Matthew Peterson
what do you have right now?
Adrian Clark
So I got to sit down and try some overclocking with my R3 1200 and was able to get it to 4ghz just by changing the multiplier. Did I get lucky or am I missing something?
Also, is there a way to stop the CPU from downclocking automatically? I thought when you overclocked these they were supposed to run at that frequency 100% of the time.
Budget: $600~$800 USD Linux OS with Windows VM for light weeb gaming (Monster Hunter World which is on MT Framework), some video editing My monitor is a Dell SE2717HR I picked up from Costco. Ideally I'd use it as a secondary with a 90 degree tilt, but I'm not holding my breath. Already picking up a hynix 240GB SSD. I'd like a relatively stately case for use in my office, I'll probably lay it on its side. For convenience I'd like to employ a CD/DVD drive. Other than that I don't have any other set requirements. This is my first build.
Ryan Brooks
a 13" laptop I've been using for 5 years
Wyatt Rogers
No power cable or data cable running to the drive and faster speeds if it's nvme are the benefits. Some SSDs have an m.2 version for only a few dollars more, I think it's worth it because it's cleaner looking.
Nicholas Young
34inch+ monitors are a thing now.
Owen Thomas
Reminder that Intel's ME has been fully exploited so Intel CPU's are no longer recommended as they are not secure. You buy Intel at your own risk.
Noah Walker
oh I have a 24" screen right now and it's been great, considering how close I am to it really depends on your needs, though if you're going to be playing fps 144hz is excellent but otherwise you could go for a nicer panel
Jack Fisher
I want a monitor that I can see the edges off without turning my head, but I want good screen space and viewing. 27" seems like the sweet spot but its hard to see the value in the cost when I don't have any stores to go into and actually view screens
James Green
This thing is a TV.
Blake Moore
>Grab a cheapo 16GB stick of DDR4 for $120. No. Cheapest 3200 I see is $182. Cheapest 2133 I see is $153. Not worth spending all that money then trying to save a few bucks on slow RAM.
Anyway like I said the R3 1200 has a similar multicore to the FX 8350 and way better single core, so clearly he doesn't need more. Nothing wrong with the R3 1200.
Not really about single channel. More about clockspeed, and in fact 2x 8GB is cheaper than 1x 16GB.
Did you stress test it?
And no, of course you wouldn't want to run it at 4GHz all time. Your perspective is wrong. Learn more
Kayden Perry
It's a monitor
David Clark
cases exist in all sorts of shapes and sizes, user pic related would likely serve you better than rotating a traditional tower case
Kevin Scott
Why do I still see all these builds with 1 TB HDDs as their second hard drive (first being a small SSD)? Are people still scared shitless of hard drives over 1 TB? 1 TB is hardly enough these days what with 50 GB install sizes being common and +100 GB games actually coming out.
Henry Bennett
Probably because 1TB is enough.
Cameron Bailey
Not everyone data hoards or plays triple a vidya
Samuel Carter
true, its basicly a none smart TV since it comes with a remote. You can always buy a smart stick for streaming.
