Libertarians don't mind giving up their freedoms as long as corporations are the ones doing it...

Libertarians don't mind giving up their freedoms as long as corporations are the ones doing it. You're trading one master for another that you have even less influence on.

You'll be singing a different tune when your ISP charges you extra for using Google. Or Sup Forums. Or leddit. Or whatever obscure sites you go to.

- ISPs have tried much of the shit Net Neutrality protects us from
- Other countries that do not have Net Neutrality have tiers/slowdowns/higher costs/censorship
- Even with Net Neutrality in place, ISPs are actively trying to ban community internet service providers

So explain to me, why you an-cap fuckwits are for this?

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Use the fucking catalog you fucking chode.

Go back to your libtard reddit hugbox, cuck.

Go away commie

>reddit
>liberal
pick one

do you understand economics at all?
NN is government intervention in the free market without NN any isp can enter the market so this lowers prices cause theirs more competition

hahahaha

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>reddit likes it therefore I'm against it
>being contrarian to the point of self-destructiveness
Has there ever in the history of mankind been a group so utterly delusional, misguided, and void of any free thought?

but you're the one who brought up reddit and contrarianism, not him

Libertarian =/= ancap

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Don't blanket blame us libertarians, only ancaps, chaos lovers, and blind trump supporters think it's a good idea to go full retard with the ISP thing.

Isn't there like 1 libertarian in the whole Congress? And gary johnson got no votes.

Libertarian is another way to call yourself a cuck corps supporter.

Libertarian=robber baron party.

You realize Robber Barrons were literally favored by government officials like John Tweed and hence were able to have the gov't form unnatural monopolies through massive regulation of the economy, preventing any actual competition to actually take place, right?

>Libertarians don't mind giving up their freedoms as long as corporations are the ones doing it
That's been the case since right libertarianism was invented. Hence why anarchists call them 'bootlickers'

Sounds like ISPs today

And you realize that that's more or less what's happening at the local level? Removing NN doesn't magically fix the underlining problem of the current state of affairs, and is in fact actively keeping the situation from deteriorating.

>You'll be singing a different tune when your ISP charges you extra for using Google. Or Sup Forums. Or leddit. Or whatever obscure sites you go to.
So why did practically none of this shit happen within the timespan of 20 years before net neutrality? Something tells me that it's just a meme.

I am against NN but also against ISP monopolies, the reason we have ISP monopolies in the first place is because of government corruption
t. ancap (never supported chaos or Trump)
gary johnson is barely a libertarian
And socialist is another way to call yourself a gov cuck

>Desktop threads are not allowed but fifty threads on net neutrality are allowed
fucking mods

Watch weev's video on the subject. ISPs aren't the problem. Mobile has reached the point in a lot of areas where traditional ISPs aren't really needed anymore. It has to do with Google and Netflix trying to force ISPs to upgrade their infrastructure to carry their content with no additional costs to them.

because ISPs weren't powerful enough to have that level of control yet

Sup Forums is removing NN threads left and right, maybe head over there for a few days while this blows over :)

is this a joke?

You know, I've been thinking about whether this really is a bad thing. It's a terrible thing for the internet and consumers, that can't be disputed. But for the average Sup Forums user? For the tumblrite, the e-celeb, and the streamer? This is a blessing.

If this is used to jack up internet rates, you're looking at internet traffic going the way of the cable Dodo Bird. All of these people under 30 talking about living wages would free up another $60+/month for healthy recreation. Brick-and-mortar stores can resume competition against Amazon. Addicted shut-ins are forced to quit cold turkey. Fucked-up violent/racist porn and discrete hook-up websites become depopulated and stop manipulating impressionable minds. People begin playing games split-screen again and take up physically active hobbies to fill the "void."

The most important benefit, however, is that people become more trusting of one another and less politically extreme. The internet has effectively given humanity the curse of telepathy, compartmentalized into an electronic service. Thoughts of insecurity and contempt for others were once kept to ourselves and dissipated over time. Now they're rebounded and amplified endlessly by anonymous strangers who are ignorant of one another's lives but emboldened to stir the pot by virtue of being unaccountable. A prime example of this is how virtually any interaction can be filtered across the fractured subconscious of the internet and magnified until it's considered a new manner of human rights violation. Marriage becomes rape, employment becomes slavery, all of these conflations and more are accepted by online communities who are hungry for sensationalist justifications for minor frustrations they once dismissed as an errant independent thought.

>company and person contractually agree that person will pay x dollars to get y bytes per second internet
>company throws a hissyfit when person uses y bytes per second even though its in the contract
it shouldn't matter the service, mother fucker.

this isn't Sup Forums
why don't you go back there

what makes you think I'm Sup Forums? are you just retarded?

I've never been there and don't plan on it

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Then sue them for breach of contract. But I'm guessing it's not actually "contractually agreed to" otherwise you would have.

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holy shit you're dumb
the fucking op is about libertarians and has nothing to do with technology
also there's 20 other threads about the same thing, which is spamming

Why do you think that people will become social before paying the new jacked-up prices?

Why do you think Brick-and-Mortar stores are better than Amazon/Online shopping?

Why do you think the internet made people more jealous and angry with the world instead of people always being like that?

Do you really think that they would fuck it up to this extent when they would lose a shitload of money?

Fuck yea bud, I'm with you, next step: removing the cuck-level "electricity grid" the fucking government keeps saying is "needed for a stable business environment" - fuck those chodes, am I right?

>It has to do with Google and Netflix trying to force ISPs to upgrade their infrastructure to carry their content with no additional costs to them.

Are you fucking mental? You pay for a service, you get a specific speed as long as you don't go over your limits. Get your bull shit mobile data. Diverting the real focus.

Well, you see, privatization always leads to optimal outcomes in any industry. Which is why the United States government was scammed out of $400 billion by telecommunications companies to supposedly lay down fiber since the early 90s. Only god would've known what the world would look like if the commies got their way and nationwide broadband was established a decade earlier.

My internet already slows down even without anti-NN.
Either way, if this happens then i can jsut start selling my on comms network to you fags.

I'm a snownigger and I pay roughly 15$ for a sixty megabits unlimited and for a thousand minutes on a mobile phone per month.
It looks to me that US ISPs are currently borderline scamming their clients and they(naturally) want to scam even harder.

Value our last days of Sup Forums usa

I wish we could perpetually live in the 90s too. Im not being ironic.

And OP is okay with giving up freedoms so long as corporations are the ones doing it.
He'll be singing a different tune when google fucks him in the ass, singing about how google's cock is better than the ISP's.

>stop shilling for google and start sucking verizons cock

With a smartphone you're getting tracked by both verizon and google you hyper-cuck.

Except that ISPs have government sanctioned monopolies and will sue you if you try to start an ISP near them. Thats why google has trouble rolling out fibre.

>- Other countries that do not have Net Neutrality have tiers/slowdowns/higher costs/censorship

Except thats not true at all? The only truth being censorship which is performed by the government.

I'd rather have a freer market among internet websites and a regulated one among internet providers, especially when there's only a few ISPs in most places.

So you're telling me that it's the governments fault for letting the monopolies exist in the first place and the solution is more government.

I don’t get tracked by Google with my iPhone, and all analytics and reporting are disabled. I’ve also verified this using the developer console on my Mac and monitoring my iPhones activities through it.

Your move you dumb nigger

Obviously it doesn't do the evil reporting when it is being watched.

>Implying ISPs would compete
No ISPs in the world compete currently, so obviously they would compete with new ISPs out there. Obviously. Makes total sense. Oh, wait, it doesn't. Any new ISPs would just enter into cartels with the current ones just like the current ones currently have. Corporations want to avoid competition at all costs. If you think that they do, you are clearly either a Eurocuck where you have 20 options for ISP or just retarded.

>Every single country in top 10 is a small country that is easy to run cable in
FUCKING KEK! Are you serious? You seriously think that it is the lack of government is allowing for this? Fuck no! It is easy to run cable over a few hundred miles. Show me a business that is doing that over tens of thousands of miles in the US. Go on. I will wait. My ISP refuses to even run a cable 10 extra feet because they do not think that it is a good return on investment (hence why I am unable to get fiber from the other side of the road). ISPs are out for money first, foremost, and only. They are not going to invest. They only want to cut costs and ending NN is the best way to do it while offering the same / worse service. It might work in other countries, but running cable 10 feet there could net millions of dollars. In the rural US? FUCK NO. The only way people out in rural areas benefit is when the government gets involved to provide incentives for these greedy ISP fucks to build in these areas. (Usually tax breaks).

>the government is the only source of barriers to entry!

Do YOU understand economics, you illiterate faggot?

Did you even read OP's post? That is the opposite of they are saying, you illiterate fuck.

What is your solution to getting rid of the local monopolies?

The anti monoply shit we already have on the books

>without NN any isp can enter the market
except they can't because there's monopolies?

So when should I expect to see results?

can't wait for burgers to leave Sup Forums.

When they get off their ass and enforce them. Government is slow by design.

That seems worse than NN.

meant for

It has to be...

What a company being forced broken up into smaller companies it's happened before to other buiness.

>redditor triggered because xe doesn't understand basic economics
>much less free market capitalism
Here, watch this:
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now gtfo. this NN shit is getting old.

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Maybe actually try to understand ancapism instead.
It argues that I one should have a monopoly on ANYTHING, especially not the state.

Ancaps are the only reasonable libertarians.

>Ancaps are the only reasonable libertarians
>literally the only "libertarians" to have contributed nothing to the study of economics

Wrong.

>no citations
>no argument

only the "all regulation is evil" libertarians are like that.

and they're fucking retarded, I like living in a post-hunter gatherer society, I just don't think the government should be able to tell people what they can say or who they can say it to.

But a company doing it is fine in your eyes. Friendly reminder that a company is not a person and they will be telling you to pay every month for a service that has become so important for society that is is deemed a public utility. Just to be clear, you are okay with that? Okay with some company telling you what to do to make a profit instead of the government. Yeah, I thought so.

>Does not think ending NN actively opens up censorship by corporations instead
Oh lawdy!

comprehension motherfuckers do you have it?

>OP: So explain to me, why you an-cap fuckwits are for this?
>ME: only the "all regulation is evil" libertarians are like that. and they're fucking retarded
>YOU: u liek corporate cock user xD

>It argues that I one [no-one?] should have a monopoly on ANYTHING, especially not the state

How do you make that happen? How do you prevent natural monopolies from occurring?

Are you replying to me? When did I imply the LACK of government caused this? Im saying other countries that dont have comprehensive net neutrality laws have better internet than us in EVERY aspect.


Is the solution to monopolies to trust the government to not get lobbied and have the FCC take care of it on a case-to-case basis. Or we remove the laws ISPs put into place that doesnt allow for others to cable in their turf effectively ending the monopoly?

and what exactly are some examples of these """natural monopolies""" occurring?

it's ok, I'll wait.

Net neutrality isn't regulation. They don't intervene in your data streams or decide what you can an cannot use. They just enforce the rule that all data should be treated equally. That is to protect consumers from exploitation by big corporations. It doesn't stifle competition because the rules are clear and everyone has to abide by them on this level playing field, no matter the size and power of the company. It's actually a foundation for a free market.

>>Net neutrality isn't regulation.
>doesn't realize this whole hubub about NN is due to repealing regulation
>>They just enforce the (((rule))) that...
>nevermind, user's just retarded

I never thought I would say it
I miss old much more liberal Sup Forums. It used to drive me up a fucking wall but the damn near socialistic tendencies on this board are preferable to this Sup Forums infestation

FCC gets its way: Government controls the internet.

Net Neutrality: Corporate oligopolies control the internet.

Are we screwed either way?

When did Sup Forums suddenly start sucking ISP cock? Is it just contrarianism?

As long as there are government-granted local monopolies all over the country, NN should remain in place. Feel free to remove all regulation or none of it. If the first happens, I would be able to switch once Comcast tries to stick it up my ass

Sup Forums aren't the ones spamming this board with whiny NN threads

>we did it leddit!

All ISPs in rural areas. They own all the lines and setting up the infrastructure for new ones would cost way too much, thus no new ISPs rise into being. It is not government causing this. The physical lines would cost millions to put in place.

>inb4 small companies can lease the lines
They do!....and then they pay high prices to the owner, acting as surrogates for the company to disguise the monopoly going on. ISPs do not compete. They simply do not.

They're the ones filling all those threads and others beside it with shit posts and calling anyone who isn't part of their Kool aid kult a cuck

>Thinks corporate policy is one the same level as democratic policy
A-are you retarded? Yeah, we might be screwed with democratic policies in place to protect customers, but we are A LOT more fucked if a company is the one deciding what is best for you. There is no perfect system, so you take the best one possible.

Stockholm Syndrome and trolls.

most people on Sup Forums wait until they know reddit's position on some issue so they can swing hard the other way

Is there anyway around the Telecom company bullshit after NN gets repealed?

Would TOR work around all this shit?

yes, and/or literally any vpn/proxy.
this whole thing is just a big old nothing burger.

>literally any vpn/proxy
too bad you didn't sign up for the "VPN extra plan"

>Thinks that the best way to fix a system is to avoid it.
Kek. Also, no. TOR is terrible for typical Internet traffic levels and would collapse if everyone moved to it. It only survives because so few people put stress on it.

>VPN
>Get around end-point ISP
Pick one. Do you even know what a VPN is?

That's not how it will work. Companies are just going to be charged more not the individual consumer,the plans are going to be made for the largest consumer base which are other companies you fucking retard.

yeah it's not like companies will pass the cost down to their consumers you complete moron

Are you an idiot? Cost to a company is ALWAYS passed on to the end customer you fucking retard. Any additional cost to a company is coming out of your pocket eventually. They are not going to say "well, I guess we are just making less money from now on." No. It does not work that way. You really should stop talking. You will stop making a fool of yourself that way.

>NN gets repealed
>suddenly no more americans
>no more 56%
>no more shart in mart
>no more 1/3 obese of total population
This is gonna be great.

Think about it, an internet without retards on it, finally mankind can advance without being held down by amerishits. And the best part is that they themselves is the reason why they're getting fucked this hard.