NN pre 2015

Ok so serious question how come before 2015 when NN came into effect was nothing of the crazy shit people are spouting off will happen happening?

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because you dont understand what this current debate is about and what NN bill does/prevents

sounds like you're being evasive desu

Imagine in 2015 someone discovered that motor oil is nontoxic and tastes like chocolate soda. Then the government goes "it's illegal to sell motor oil as a soft drink", now in 2017 companies like Valvoline and Castrol are pushing to enter the soft drink market with their motor oil, but now every car owner and garage will have to pay an additional food tax and be subject to health inspection simply because they use motor oil.

No one thought to take a swig before 2015 because motor oil isn't meant to be ingested, same as the internet isn't meant to be sold off piecemeal based on what data you choose to transfer.

Don't bother with Sup Forumstards

That sounds market nonviable. selling literal poison to people would kill off your consumer base. doing the same thing to the internet would just incentivize a company to sell a product with the same motor oil taste you love, but doesn't kill you.
you're metaphor fails in a number of aspects here

Like most laws, they're put in place as a reaction to an event. Comcast was trying to fuck Netflix into the ground when it was a startup by throttling their streaming services in an attempt to make Netflix look bad and help their cable provider buddies look better. The government stepped in and made a law preventing them from throttling any service and to treat all traffic equally. That's it.

Comcast and all the telecoms want to remove Net Neutrality so bad because it gives them unbelievable power to control the how people flow through the internet. They'll give incredibly fast load times to people they're buddied up with in congress & the white house. They'll slow down their political enemies. They will make sure they achieve a modern manifest destiny using the internet as the vehicle.

If that doesn't bother you, for the sake of being a self respectful and dignified person, it should. Powerful people are not smarter, but they're more powerful, and that should worry you.

his metaphor carries

>It's 2015
>ISP discovers you could make consumers pay twice for content
>Govt says to not do that
>Some faggot pajeet decides he knows best
>Now every website owner has to pay the ISPs, and the consumers have to pay the ISPs to get to those websites
>???
>INNOVATION

i don't get why he chose to use motor oil either but w/e

Except that's not what happened. what happened was verizon threw a fit about netflix paying pennies relative to the bandwidth they used and demanded they pay a higher rate for slowing everyone else down.

If prices get throttled anywhere it would be netflix throwing a bitch fit and raising their prices

except lobbyists on behalf of netflix and other tech giants like google and Amazon pushed to stop isp's from charging them more.

> control the how people flow through the internet.
Could you please explain how they would do that to me in a technical sense. Seriously I don't understand how anyone would be able to do this without having the processing and precognitive power of god with modern tech, and still be cost effective.

There were Net Neutrality regulations in place before 2015.
The problem was that they were regulations, not laws, and Verizon sued and won in court to have the rules thrown out in 2014.

ISPs were reclassified under Title II of the Telecommunications Act to give the government sweeping power to regulate them which included the no prioritization, no discrimination pieces that were the cornerstones of Net Neutrality - plus a lot more.

Now this is a reasonable answer. However it doesn't address how in the world people think isp's are capable of the kinds of malicious magic they are getting memed into believing

Nigga just let the bill pass. Only through strife will we create innovation. Its already happening in anticipation of the coming changes. People who dont want to be jewed by the ISPs and government are coming up with solutions that'll make us stronger in the long run.

I chose motor oil because I was going with "using something that isn't supposed to be used that way". If that makes sense? The internet is supposed to be for the free transmission of information. It's supposed to be for the good of humanity to the point of becoming a necessity rather than just another utility. Instead, they're trying to use it to charge us money based on *which* data we want to transmit/receive.

it's called mass hysteria

I can do this on my own network with a single iptables command.
Block access to a website, remove the website from your DNS servers, block all traffic on certain ports, limit transfer speeds, set up redirectors, anything.

A focus study group from Google showed that almost every participant will shut down a website if it takes more than 1 second to load. So Google focuses on making their software run fast so the entire page loading operation for any of their software - network traffic through ISP + server processing on their machines - takes less than a second.

Using that knowledge, ISPs can just make the network traffic portion take longer than 1 second to websites/companies/political groups they are actively against. The vast majority of the public will just boredly click off any site that takes longer than a second. They can box out a vast majority of people from reading content simply by making it load slower. This is not theoretical - this is literally a tool in their toolbox if Net Neutrality is repealed.

And that's only one way to abuse it.

It's unreal how these companies, which have throttled users for decades already with nearly unlimited amounts of bandwidth they could provide, instead of giving users better speeds and service, are looking to add on to their systems ways to charge people more so they can achieve a greater level of power. These telecommunications companies are already far too powerful compared to any other industry. It's pretty horrifying.

Because with Trump in office there's a way bigger chance that he will actually go through with the shit.

Throttling specific data from specific sources is literally easy as fuck. In the same way that a school or business can just block certain sites, an ISP can throttle (Or block, if they wanted) them. And then, being a business that wants money, they could sell "packages" that are less throttled for additional piecemeal bills. They could also be payed to allow sponsored sites to go through at full speed and competitors to those sites that haven't paid can just eat shit. The possibilities on how to make more money for less services are endless, and since they have functional monopolies in many areas, there's no risk for them because their customers can go through them or not have internet at all.

because theyre all redditors who get whipped into a frenzy when their insdagrem and bideo dames are threatened by smoke and mirrors

open your eyes to the truth my friend
apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-347927A1.pdf

What exactly does she mean by "beef"?

>Ok so serious question how come before 2015 when NN came into effect was nothing of the crazy shit people are spouting off will happen happening?
because it WAS happening; people had been bitching about it for years and filed complaints regarding these practices.

why do you think there are rules against it that were passed?

>verizon threw a fit about netflix paying pennies relative to the bandwidth they used and demanded they pay a higher rate for slowing everyone else down

verizon doesn't HOST netflix, nigger. if there was suddenly a surge of bandwidth demand due to a service, that's not the fault of the new service, especially since that new service is paying for their own bandwidth and hosting.

This is also not a problem today thanks to CDNs and ISP-peered content caches. Verizon is selling you literal bullshit, and you're eating it wholesale.

who is this sperm wyrm

it was a battle fought long before 2015 and it will continue to be fought regardless of what ajit pai does

YOU CAN'T USE A CAR ANALAGY FOR EVERY SITUATION

>Dont trust those big mean ISPs instead listen to the little guys like google and facebook

There was some of that shit happening though. Comcast used to block bittorrent.

>Comcast Sued Over BitTorrent Blocking
wired.com/2007/11/comcast-sued-ov/
cnet.com/news/fcc-formally-rules-comcasts-throttling-of-bittorrent-was-illegal/

Am I allowed to trust the EFF and Mozilla?