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Tick tock Sup Forums. You only have 4 weeks left to make your backups before poojit pai repeals Net Neutrality and ISPs throttle the fuck out of VPNs

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>he fell so hard for the reddit propaganda memes he unironically thinks you'll have to pay on a per website basis

4 weeks left until I make millions from my Comcast and Verizon stock doubling? Cool. Shame I might have to pay $5 a month extra to access Sup Forums.

>Implying burgers with their sub 3rd world internet can send a full backup within 4 weeks.
Even if you had the bandwidth (you don't), how do you circumvent the monthly 1.44 MB datacap?

ITT. Burgers denying how hard they get fucked in a short while.

Stop it. It's not even funny anymore.

I'm a huehue.
I will be fine although I will continue lagging like a bitch on game servers.

*sets ping limit to 200*

hue... nothin personnel... hue hue hue...

>sucking Soros's cock this hard

Why shouldn't they do that? Wasn't there a company that said net neutrality was the only thing stopping them?

At least you always have your guns so you can revolt against the ISPs :^)

But guns are only for the goberment

Does this mean that huge internet hubs such as reddit will die? Having most of the information in one website is cancerous. I can't wait til the resurgence of blogs/personal websites.

No?
CDN are a thing. Those websites will continue to function like always but with 90% less burgers. Shit will be soooo cash.

Fuck off Sup Forums retard sucking comcast cock

only 4 weeks until internet prices get super reasonable because ISPs will finally be getting a new avenue of revenue from highly profitable websites

repeal of NN will be my Christmas present

4 weeks untill we finally get an ameritard free Sup Forums

Sup Forums will be blocked in the russo-slavic world order

>facebook, twitter, ig
>and nothing else
enjoy your Nu ISPs, fag

>VPN encryption
Don't most VPNs use SSL?

ethereum-fueled meshnet when

Why do Sup Forumstards hate freedom so much

East USA and BR is more like 150 ping.

Blocking websites can lead to all sorts of legal and PR troubles.
All they can do is throttle.

And even then streamfags deserve to get BTFO

ISPs being able to manage their network is the true freedom

You need all the freedoms to this to work, including the freedom of creating an competing ISP service, that is not a thing in US.
The US internet is cucked beyond salvation.

Correct. Even the CPC struggle to block VPNs. I doubt one private ISP is going to be more effective. It probably won't even be economically feasible.

No it’s not underage kekistan Sup Forumsshitter

because it's retarded

>tfw EU-wide NN laws
>tfw 100 Mbps for less than 15 € a month

one has nothing to do with the other

US also have NN laws, and don't have 100 Mbps for less than 15 €.
Maybe it's you know, the actual competition that makes the price go down maybe?

I'll finally get to watch and play my backlogs instead of downloading new things.

There is literally no competition in my city, there's only UPC and companies who buy bandwidth from UPC and sell it

It’s funny how Sup Forumstards constantly LARP about how cool Hitler and national socialism and gas chambers are, but now with one regulation in place to protect consumers they’re whining about muh freedoms and government overreach

It’s almost like they have no real principles and just embrace whatever view is the most contrarian at the time

It'd mean the end of internet monopolies. Most people don't want to pay for something that they've had access to for years.

The actual loser will be Netflix because they will have to pay the ISPs to continue giving their users the same quality they expect.

Normies don't care if your home made website is slow or if p2p is slow.

>You need all the freedoms to this to work
why?
is entrepreneurship worthless simply because of minimum wage laws?

>including the freedom of creating an competing ISP service, that is not a thing in US.
the whole reason its so hard to start an ISP in the first place is because of government-sanctioned monopolies and bureacracy like NN. despite that, the vast majority of Americans still have access to >5 options for ISPs. in any case, NN does not guarentee user freedom by any stretch of the imagination it ostensibly gives limitless power over content on the internet to the federal government and the ISPs with the money to contest and lobby its rulings.

I think this would actually kill Netflix considering the fact that Netflix is already dead.

imblying 150 and 200 are a big difference in gay men.

I don't even think p2p will be slowed down. according to glasnost records, ISPs largely left US p2p alone. even so, there's not really anything they can do if you're using a non-standard port and/or proxy.

They can simply slow down anything that is not web or not going to the top 100 domains.

they can, but its generally against their best interests to do so. competition may be limited, but if you piss off your clients enough they can still jump ship.

>slow down anything that is not web or not going to the top 100 domains.
plenty of proxies use port 80, which could make anything communicating on it indistinguishable from web traffic.

Comcast tried to block people from torrenting in 2007 and the only thing that stopped them was net neutrality rules. They’ve even said that net neutrality is the only thing stopping them from doing this.

We have absolutely no reason to believe that ISPs wouldn’t pull this shit if they had the chance to. It’s not like their customers can switch to anything else. “Limited” competition is an understatement when half of the US has access to only one cable provider.

>quoting reddit
Mods should do something about this Net Neutrality thread spam

>muh NN is making it hard to compete meme
Yes, this is why cable companies are pumping billions into getting it removed, they’re very interested in creating a flourishing market with lots of competition to threaten their monopolies.

Oh wait, it actually has nothing to do with net neutrality, and really has to do with contracts granted which give certain companies complete ownership over utility poles and other infrastructure which allows them to sue any competitors who try to make use of the same infrastructure. Net Neutrality is not stopping anyone from starting an ISP.

>net neutrality gives total power to the government to determine content on the internet
Explain how it does this. Just because it’s a regulation related to the internet doesn’t mean it magically grants the FCC sweeping censorship powers to determine what people get to say online. You have no idea what NN is if you believe this.

>Comcast, Time Warner, and other big ISPs agree to suck each other’s dicks and not to compete with each other in most areas
>they sue anyone (like Google) who attempts to set up shop and compete with them, and use lobbying and litigation to keep municipal fiber networks from forming
>running new cables in small, disparate towns isn’t profitable for competitors, and so these areas lend themselves to natural monopolies

>but somehow net neutrality is to blame for lack of competition

the comcast jews are getting good at trolling

youtube.com/watch?v=E8gmARGvPlI

I guess you're right, comcast did try to throttle users in 2007. Beyond that, I don't see a lot of evidence to suggest that this was widespread behavior amongst ISPs. In any case, they were promptly forced to stop a year later by the FCC, years before NN even started.

>We have absolutely no reason to believe that ISPs wouldn’t pull this shit if they had the chance to. It’s not like their customers can switch to anything else.
According to a report by the Progressive Policy Institute in 2014, "nearly every American can choose from at least 5-6 broadband Internet service providers". Similarily, another report by the FCC in 2008 showed that 99.8% of postal codes had access to two or more ISPs, 94.6% had access to four or more.
The market for ISPs is far from ideal, but its nowhere near as bad as alarmists are making it out to be.

>allows them to sue any competitors who try to make use of the same infrastructure
what are you even on about?
there were rules in place that prohibited ISPs from doing that long before net neutrality came along.

>explain how it does this.
net neutrality reclassifies broadband as a telecommunication service, which meant title II of the telecommunications act applied. section 233 of title II includes draconian policies including prohibiting the transmission of
>"any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image, or other communication which is obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or indecent, with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass another person"
as well as threats to anonymity, including:
>"utilizing a telecommunications device, whether or not conversation or communication ensues, without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person at the called number or who receives the communications"
additionally, it includes a vague "general-conduct" standard that allows the FCC to prevent any practice deemed to "unreasonably disadvantage" another user, application or...

content provider.

net neutrality is not only advantageous to the government, but to monolithic corporations like comcast, AT&T, verizon etc because they can afford a strong legal team that can contest rulings they don't like, and lobby for those they do (including whatever the hell they feel might constitute as an "unreasonable disadvantage"). startups and users obviously don't have this luxury.

Stupid question:

How is net neutrality affect pirating ? Will I have to fear people giving up on torrent sites and such ?

Sup Forums is retarded and voted in that corporate loving retard trump

>any electable president isn't a corporatist sellout

America is afraid of cryptocurrencys flipping it's dollar value into nothing.

Because you don't matter. The extra few bucks they get wouldn't even cover the administrative expense of such a move.

The only thing you do is consume the content of their real money makers, like Netflix and Facebook. Of the course the latter two want net neutrality; it forces ISPs to provide them service at absurdly low prices, and they're playing you like a fiddle to get what they want so they can keep their dying vampire industry afloat.

You ever notice how companies who are actually worth giving a fuck about (IBM, Cisco, Juniper, HPE, etc.) don't care for net neutrality, and how it's basically only advertising scum like Twitter, Google, and Facebook that support it? Really activates your almonds, doesn't it?

>all of Sup Forums is America
Weedman has our backs

>In any case, they were promptly forced to stop a year later by the FCC, years before NN even started.
>years before NN even started
This is just BS. Comcast was shot down under net neutrality rules, as was Verizon when they were caught throttling their users. Net neutrality has always been a thing and has always been enforced by the FCC, but recently Verizon successfully sued and courts ruled that ISPs now have to be classified as a common carrier in order for the FCC to continue to enforce net neutrality rules.

>there were rules in place that prohibited ISPs from doing that long before net neutrality came along.
Look up how Google was sued when they tried to roll out their fiber networks, this sort of stuff happens all the time when competitors try to set up shop in new areas.

Most Americans only have access to one cable provider. Wireless and satellite are not viable alternatives for most people because they have shit speeds, data caps, and are expensive.

God bless Canada

Yeah guys ISPs are totally going to prevent VPN traffic and cripple hundreds of thousands of businesses who use them for remote workers every day. It's like you dipshits have no fucking idea how anything works.

>Net neutrality has always been a thing and has always been enforced by the FCC

>Gas Chambers
Still waiting for one to be discovered

I mostly agree with you here. My primary motivation for NN though is different kinds of service. ISPs could fairly easily implement traffic shaping to nerf streaming services, gaming, p2p, vpn, etc. and provide packages for "services" rather than specific sites. Comcast was literally caught throttling and blocking p2p filesharing programs before and I guarantee they'll do it again if NN gets repealed.

it truly is best north america.

>100 Mbps for less than 15 €.
>in potatostan

lol

Feels good knowing you commies will have to pay more for internet. If you don't like capitalist America, feel free to move to one of the economically crippled countries in Europe, like France, Germany, or the UK

Trying to make ISPs completely private is untenable. The startup costs are so ridiculously high that the big boys can afford to immediately buyout all competition before it even leaves the ground. The only way to do this is to have the lines be a publicly owned utility which you lease, then you contract your ISP to hook you up.
>5 options
source on this? Unless you count satellite or DSL which basically don't work for the modern internet, you usually only get one or two options from my experience.

>3rd world Ukraine and Russia have fastest and cheapest internet in Europ
What can you say about this westerners?

> it forces ISPs to provide them service at absurdly low prices,
FUCKING KEK. How big of a shill are you? Provides like Netflix, Facebook and Google ALREADY PAY COMCAST TO HAVE THEIR SERVICES DELIVERED[1]. What the repeal of Net Neutrality does is ALLOW COMCAST TO DOUBLE DIP FOR THESE COSTS.

So not only does Comcast charge Netflix to distribute their content, IT WILL CHARGE THE CONSUMER TO INGEST IT. I can't believe people shill that hard for a company who is literally trying as hard as possible to assfuck customers. Why should a consumer have to pay *extra* for a data link that is *already* peered inside their ISP's datacenter?

The fact of the matter is Netflix, Facebook, and Google aren't affected in the slightest if net neutrality is repealed, in fact they *benefit*. Netflix can pay the peering costs - Hulu, or any new startup might not be able to. Id imagine that Google is most worried about this only because once they establish this moat, the EU will have more cause to ram their ass with anti-trust violations.

>(IBM, Cisco, Juniper, HPE, etc)
WOW COMPANIES THAT PROVIDE MOSTLY HARDWARE AND CONSULTING DOUT INTERNET LEGISLATURE DONT CARE ABOUT NET NEUTRALITY? COLOR ME SHOKED. DOES COCA COLA ARE?


[1]qz.com/256586/the-inside-story-of-how-netflix-came-to-pay-comcast-for-internet-traffic/

>live in city
>technically have 5 options, but 4 are cellular/wireless and are stupidly expensive
>only wired option is Comcast
Please only include comparable services when arguing

Executive salaries are more important than delivering a quality service to your customers

>Comcast blocks P2P, Verizon throttles users, and several other cases
>all of them are shot down by the FCC citing net neutrality
>Verizon sues and courts rule that the FCC needs to clarify its net neutrality regulations and also reclassify ISPs under title II in order to continue to enforce net neutrality

Saying that we didn’t have net neutrality before 2015 is disingenuous. We didn’t have this specific law, but to say that net neutrality wasn’t a thing that was enforced is just blatantly false and anyone can look up these cases and see that for themselves. The 2015 regulation was in response to a ruling that they had to strengthen these regulations in order to continue to enforce them.

>reddit
>"Report submitted! This window will close in 3 seconds..."

Posting a screenshot isn’t against actually against the rules, but announcing a report is. Go fuck yourself

>using a VPN in the first place
How about you stop supporting bad businesses instead of paying more to circumvent their intrusive practices.
>but there's no competition in my location
Then become the competition, are you afraid of making money?

>just start your own ISP from scratch bro, it’s easy!
Imagine being this retarded

> vpn encryption

...

>DOES COCA COLA ARE?

What?

>I don't know how to go about doing it
>it must be impossible
How ironic of you to call others retarded. Actual farmers can can do it, the fucking founder of Ubiquiti Network was like 60 when he started his venture, the competition in my city is fierce because of individual local businesses.

So that's, city living Americans, rural Americans, and old Americans, they can figure it out, and you can't. As if starting a business of any kind takes any real effort when the market is literally barren in most places. I bet you're one of these idiots who would rather pay for a VPN than get paid for your own service, great idea.

Nigger you can't lay down new fiber lines in my town because Comcast and ATT bought out the rights to the utility poles

>DOES COCA COLA CARE?
Sorry bro

>"Report submitted! This window will close in 3 seconds..."

Are you fucking retarded, contact the government for your area, they own them, Comcast and ATT don't "buy the rights" they have special contracts and licensing just like anyone else, that would include you if you actually contacted officials about this. You think the city is going to turn down an opportunity for you to pay them just because someone else already does?

Why do burgers enjoy being cucked by companies so much

>You think the city is going to turn down an opportunity for you to pay them just because someone else already does?
Yes because Comcast pays them more

In the event this is true, which I doubt, you should still speak to your officials about it, if it's seemingly impossible to open local business then you should to the mayor and senator about policies in place that are stunting growth and profit.

>In the event this is true, which I doubt, you should still speak to your officials about it, if it's seemingly impossible to open local business then you should to the mayor and senator about policies in place that are stunting growth and profit
Why would the municipality care what I think when Comcast can just pay them big money to not give a fuck?

You have no comprehension of business and seemingly no understanding of politics either. Am I supposed to sit here for the next hour and answer every hurdle you encounter in this hypothetical situation? If this was a real scenario I'd be more inclined to inform you but the fact of the matter is I doubt that they restrict the lines like you say. If they do, then it becomes a political issue and its your job to convince them to care, not care about you either, care about the majority of people and the development of the city as a whole. That's your job to pitch, I'm not writing one for you.

>hypothetical
Except it's a real scenario, if this were only hypothetical we would have Jewgle fiber everywhere by now.

Google tried it and couldn’t even successfully penetrate many markets because they were sued by monopolistic ISPs when they tried

>actually believing that you have the money and resources to achieve something that not even Google could
>actually expecting people to risk millions of dollars and years of their life just to get decent internet service

t. somebody who has no idea how the ISP market actually works.

Most small towns subsidize ISPs to pay cable in their sparse, unpopulated towns, because running lines to Cletus’s shack in bumfuck nowhere is just unprofitable otherwise. In exchange, local governments grant subsidies and monopolies to companies for expanding their infrastructure to these areas.

This is why competitor services get sued into oblivion before they get anywhere. It happened to Google and it happens to municipal ISP services all the time. If you’re going to claim that it’s just as easy and straightforward as starting a business in any other industry, then it’s clear you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about and are just pulling assumptions out of your ass.

City and citations. Even if you're right it's your problem, not mine. Buying a VPN subscription is not the solution whatsoever, it's avoiding the issue which is arguably worse.

You know what, before this NN bullshit I always through that there are no shills on Sup Forums, because who the hell would care about this little fringe shithole. Guess I was wrong.
The recent shilling has been so blatant it's disgusting.

>google tried it and failed

bro pretty sure google is installing fiber in my city AS WE SPEAK

so what? it's one thing to talk about lesser evilism, it's another to openly advocate for a full-blown neoliberal as your head of state above all other people.

I can't wait for shit to hit the fan!

How stupid do you have to be to think that an individual starting a local business and a worldwide company would be treated the same way. If anything a local would have more leverage than them.
>but money and big lawyers, the government is corrupt man
No.

Where?

Canada is just a United States that's socially lagging by an entire decade.
you'll get your trump-like president by the time everyone has had enough of the US gov't and replaced it.