Death of the internet

VPNs are not magic edition.
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>VPN server

>VPN is a protocol

Literal autism over me writing
>VPN
instead of
>VPN server

ah sure I was only doing autism haha ;))) you're right though they can list the few hundreds IP in the world that are VPNs cause there are not that much VPN just google VPN you'll see there are not much haha ;) cause a VPN isn't something you can install anywhere without anyone knowing and also it doesn't work on SSH haha ;))) so you're right all along ;) I'm sorry friendo you're top dog on computers WOW haha computers and IT right ? CS Degrees and stuff LMAO good night tho ;)) 1 upvote

ironic autism is still autism

Feels good not being American kek

Amerifats btfo

btw before I leave expose your point to everyone so they can judge

they'll have a giggle too

NN is bad

I am glad you people have no power and NN will be abolished no matter how much retards whine on the internet

>I understand nothing about IP block lists

I'm happy.
I only regret not seeing how you shit yourself after everything we told you comes true.
if only I did have the capability to read your posts where you shit yourself in regret.
or do you convince yourself its all the governments fault for regulating the ISPs?
to bad I will not see it because you will not have a internet connection.
You deserve everything you get.

>he still didn't get it
Ok one last time :

Are you saying this : "ISPs will block every VPN IP ever, because VPNs have identifiable IPs that they can list and block" ?

hahaha wow why are you crying so much

my country does not even have net neutrality yet I have excellent internet with zero throttling

Idiot thinks VPNs are magic.
Idiot has autism over VPN VS VPN server
Idiot thinks protocol can magically run with zero physical infrastructure (?in the astral plane?)
Idiot thinks long IP block lists are impractical or technological impossible or something
Idiot fails to understand what a white list is
Idiot shits up discussion in >"ISPs will block every VPN IP ever, because VPNs have identifiable IPs that they can list and block"
ISPs will throttle everything that is not on their *white list* you somehow fail to understand this.
Also look up
"What is suspicious traffic"

Idiot thinks VPNs are magic.
Idiot has autism over VPN VS VPN server
Idiot thinks protocol can magically run with zero physical infrastructure (?in the astral plane?)
Idiot thinks long IP block lists are impractical or technological impossible or something
Idiot fails to understand what a white list is
Idiot shits up discussion in >"ISPs will block every VPN IP ever, because VPNs have identifiable IPs that they can list and block"
ISPs will throttle everything that is not on their *white list* you somehow fail to understand this.
Also look up
"What is suspicious traffic"

Can you even formulate coherent sentences?
Where will you get your magical VPN server? How?
like can you tell everyone this?

is this
A) I buy it from a VPN provider
They are publicly know and advertiser themselves blacklist instantly.
or
B) I'm going to go to a different country and have a server there that I'm going to secretly use for VPN

>zero physical infrastructure
I said "any server in the world"
Indeed that's synonymous of "zero infrastructure"
>Idiot thinks long IP block lists are impractical or technological impossible or something
I said they wouldn't even know what server hosts a VPN. Not that they wouldn't block renowned rental-VPN IP Ranges (doubt it, tho)
>ISPs will throttle everything that is not on their *white list* you somehow fail to understand this.
Sure, they will.
>or
>B) I'm going to go to a different country and have a server there that I'm going to secretly use for VPN
I just spent half an hour repeating exactly this in technical terms in several posts. Shut the fuck up.
>your magical VPN server?
you could even install it on a grandma's computer in mexico my dude
it doesn't
matter

Reminder : this is the dude that teaches you about NN and VPNs

I'm off

Damn it's tiring talking to amerigoblins, they really are retarded.

I'm so glad I'm not American.

Oh I see he's just an illiterate Sup Forumstard... should have sniffed it...

This is first
1)
>I said they wouldn't even know what server hosts a VPN
They cripple everything not on the white list.
>Sure, they will.
You literally have no counter point to this.
They can do it legally.

2)
>you could even install it on a grandma's computer in mexico my dude
>it doesn't
>matter
Translation:
>VPNs magically inject magic into the cable that prevents ISP throttling of their IPs
>even if the IP is already crippled
>Computers connect with the help of the astral plane if they have VPN software on them
See (1) and OP picture how can anyone interpret his shitposting differently?

3)
Learn to write correctly I can not deduce your thoughts for you.
>any server in the world
You obsessed over how protocols are magically separate from hardware.
>any server in the world
And they are all taping into the astral plane or something?
Because they need physical connection to one another.

Musk will save us

Musk will be god of the new world

Chinese get around shit all the time, has to be a way.

>being so racist you don't think Ajit is competent
You people make me sick.

>racist
???

This will not be the death of the internet.

I can easily send 512GB or 1TB unfiltered packets with these pigeons.

>Chinese get around shit all the time
>Chinese

the absolute state of murica

will all you spergs apologize once net neutrality has been abolished and the internet is just fine?

no you will not. just like the global warming doomsayers did not apologize when all their predictions turned out to be wrong

as long as you can virtue signal and sperg around and feel like you are actually not a dumb fucking retard you are happy

censorship will become obsolete with Substratum.

This. The NN retards have proven themselves to have absolutely zero understanding of the subject matter relying purely only emotionally driven dribble of hyperbolic apocalypse scenarios like I hope they are just pretending to be retarded.

Serious question. Europe still has net neutrality. How would you prevent people from just using European proxies to defeat whitelists? They could easily be set up on innocuous domains like AWS, and the way that many Web services are implemented on cloud-based architecture would make it almost impossible to whitelist only the parts of those servers that you like, which isn't even accounting for Bezos and similar people actively fighting it.

I mean, again, the PRC and the DPRK both have extreme levels of state control over what you are allowed to do with the Internet, and yet the security measures of both can be defeated with tools like VPNs. If whitelisting were plausible as a way to completely prevent this, why wouldn't they use it?

Define "just fine". I don't think the world will end - life goes on in places where the Internet sucks - but the Internet will suck worse than it would have with net neutrality.

is this what reddit truely believes ?

in a couple months all the pajit shills will pay $5 extras to browse reddit or youtube and pretend to be ok with that.

megalulz.rar

"I can afford $5 for the sites I appreciate, what are you? piss poor or something?"

Play the cat and mouse game of blocking all VPN IP addresses, any serious site does this already. If I owned a site, I would only allow residential internet users from specific countries anyway.

See OP picture it explains every scenario.

Thank you for this intelligent and respectful post.

Every IP not on white list is crippled or blocked.
If you try to get out of the country you are blocked.

>innocuous domains
Not really if the ISP is going full white list mode.

The problem with VPNs is that if you are buying the most popular ones they publicly advertise themselves they IPs are known so they are blocked.
Even if its a hidden VPN if it is a business it will be blocked in some time.
The ISP uses a white list so you have this IP blocked form the start.
Or
The ISP can detect suspicious traffic.

The other option is you personally creating a hidden VPN.

>cloud-based architecture
There are multiple scenarios that can play out
1) Everyone gets fucked no cloud anything for anyone internet turned into "your ISP and his personal 10 websites".
2) You already have today consumer and businesses connections.
The ISP will cripple only the consumer ones and to get the real internet you need to go to the businesses connection (companies will hardly notice because they are already on them) you are effectively forced to pay more to get the same shit you have today.
3)ISP fucks with some websites from time to time.

>DPRK
Effectively* on its own "internet" on one can post to the global internet, you can talk to others in the DPRK not to the outside world.
* Its all catered fragments because we know little about what is actually going on in the DPRK so keep this in mind.

The whole fight over VPNs is dumb anyway, because ISPs have no reason to be interested in outright completely blocking access to content itself; rather, what they're after is being able to charge higher tolls on the people carrying large volumes of it; i.e., other businesses. Because most users aren't savvy enough to evade even rudimentary network controls, being able to implement those is enough to achieve their goal. Going after the few percent of users using HideMyAss to torrent hentai isn't worthwhile unless they start making up a significant share of total network traffic.

People should pay double for Netflix because it jams up the internet.

I don't use Netflix because I pirate.

You dumb fucks do realize the current law didn't actually do what it was supposed to anyway, right?

See
freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history
>In 2005, North Carolina ISP Madison River Communications blocked the voice-over-internet protocol
>: In 2005, the nation’s largest ISP, Comcast, began secretly blocking peer-to-peer technologies
>In 2005, Canada’s second-largest telecommunications company, Telus, began blocking access to a server that hosted a website supporting a labor strike against the company
>From 2007–2009, AT&T forced Apple to block Skype and other competing VOIP phone services on the iPhone
>MetroPCS, at the time one of the top-five U.S. wireless carriers, announced plans to block streaming video
>In 2011, the Electronic Frontier Foundation found that several small ISPs were redirecting search queries via the vendor Paxfire
>AT&T, SPRINT and VERIZON: From 2011–2013, AT&T, Sprint and Verizon blocked Google Wallet

>if you try to get out of the country you are blocked

How? This would contravene a number of treaties and trade agreements between the United States and other countries, as well as EU and national European laws, even without net neutrality. Moreover, what's to stop someone like Google from actively circumventing such a measure? Is Comcast seriously going to block Google in response, a company that is five times its value and arguably has more control over Internet traffic now than they do?

What you're talking about simply isn't feasible at the scale of the modern Internet.

>People should pay double for Netflix because it jams up the internet.
This is a lie.

The Netflix payed for a connection and you payed for a connection.
The ISP can provide this (or they lied and are incompetent) X speed connection to you and Netflix.

its like UPS saying to Amazon
>Pay us more because you send more packages on our trucks
>Pay us more because you are popular

>between the United States and other countries
I have no idea how this will impact or work in international law.
I was working under the assumption of
>I'm ISP
>You are sending something on my cables
>I'm blocking you because I can now for no reason

>Is Comcast seriously going to block Google
Actual history of facts
freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history
> In 2010, Windstream Communications, a DSL provider with more than 1 million customers at the time, copped to hijacking user-search queries made using the Google

>AT&T, SPRINT and VERIZON: From 2011–2013, AT&T, Sprint and Verizon blocked Google Wallet

>Google from actively circumventing such a measure?
They are not a ISP.
The ISP can do with their cables what they want.
Google can go fuck itself, this is why google is so terrified of this.
Hardware is king and if the ISP owns the cables they can turn of google.

>The whole fight over VPNs is dumb anyway, because ISPs have no reason to be interested in outright completely blocking access to content itself
this, nobody is going to block anything
the net neutrality repeal only means usa media consumer market will become even less competitive as isp's own media services will get unfair competitive advantage, big actors like netflix have to pay extorsion money to not get throttledd and small content providers are fucked as their usa viewers will get shit bandwidth
we don't give a shit because everyone hosts their content accross different datacenters and our own isps respect net neutrality

only, retards like op don't understand wtf is happening and provide endless fodder for trolls and americans to argue over, thus polluting this board with endless shit threads

>Google from actively circumventing such a measure?
its like asking
>If Youtube bans Pewdiepie what prevents him form circumventing this?
The fact that is not the owner of a streaming website and you can fuck with Youtube more then you can in the land of IPs.

Only the third cloud-based scenario is convincingly feasible. Breaking most of the Internet would be required to outright ban cloud servers, and reliably differentiating between server addresses used for one purpose or another would be almost impossible, because modern cloud server architecture is designed to be adaptively load-responsive such that a given individual cloud server could be temporarily mirroring a corporate Web site under heavy local bandwidth use one minute, and then hosting a completely different website soon after.

The only plausible thing ISPs could try to do is the third one: fuck with websites that get enough traffic in one place for long enough to get noticed.

I'm just very skeptical about locking down the Internet even being possible, because I mean, finding child pornography isn't even that difficult and never has been, and that's content that's both ethically dubious and illegal as hell, with entire task forces dedicated just to finding it and arresting whoever is hosting it.

>What you're talking about simply isn't feasible at the scale of the modern Internet.

Worst case scenario:
its the literally end of the internet and we are going back to the pre-internet only with ultra fast computers.
>Who wants to have internet its only 10 shit websites made by your ISP
>Shop.comcast
>Talk.comcast
>Encyclopedia.comcast
>Maps.comcast
>I better turn on the TV for the news and buy some newspapers
>You want the new movie on Ultra DVD?

Best case scenario:
ISPs fuck with lots of websites internet quality is degraded do to this.

Yeah, because who cares about latency, jokester.

>this, nobody is going to block anything
One user on a chines frog picture website VS facts:
freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history
>AT&T, SPRINT and VERIZON: From 2011–2013, AT&T, Sprint and Verizon blocked Google Wallet
>AT&T: From 2007–2009, AT&T forced Apple to block Skype
>MetroPCS: In 2011, MetroPCS, at the time one of the top-five U.S. wireless carriers, announced plans to block streaming video
>TELUS: In 2005, Canada’s second-largest telecommunications company, Telus, began blocking access to a server

Hey its like the anti-NN shills don't even acknowledge this exists.

Death of the internet (Outside America)

But this is what I mean; they blocked the default configuration parameters of the protocol to avoid having to compete with it, they didn't go and try to individually hunt down users IP calling their BFF Jill or whatever.

ISPs are a bit like gyms: because they sell shared access to infrastructure that has increased maintenance and renewal costs the more it is used, they make the most money when they have lots of subscribers who aren't actually using the access they're buying. Doing away with net neutrality would be akin to moving to a gym subscription pricing model somewhere in between a basic package that only entitles you to work out from 10-11am weekdays, and a package in which they can actively kick you off of popular machines (or machines for which the manufacturer didn't cut them a deal) whenever they feel like unless you pay extra.

welp you're right, seems like nothing is stopping US isps from outright blocking content
you guys are truely cucked, good luck
we'll be watching you from the free side of the internet

What you guys are missing is that Google could simply make their own ISP, and in fact they're already trying to do this. Without ISPs being protected as utilities under the law, there would be little to stop them; this is the main reason they haven't gotten further with this already.

in 2018 ISPs can legally block whatever they want.
In the past it was illegal.

>Google sucks, guise.
>I'd pay $5 to look at their shit, though.

> Without ISPs being protected as utilities under the law, there would be little to stop them; this is the main reason they haven't gotten further with this already.
no, isn't
that they're classified as utilities has nothing at all to do about the inability to deploy infrastructure or set up new business in a location

Ding now you are getting it.
Have fun needing to subscribe to a ISP for the websites that are only in it.
Every ISp turns into its own MEGA-LAN.
This future looks like shit.

How does this eliminate fastlanes for pay regarding content providers?
Retards. Retards everywhere. Mostly Sup Forums, but everywhere/

>Net Engineer for a Service Provider
>All the fucking work I need to do if I need to start blocking/throttling traffic because of this shit
BGP can only do so much

They still wouldn't be able to block connections to ISPs outside of the United States which are still protected by net neutrality rules; all major ISPs are international conglomerates, and therefore would still be bound by EU law and international treaties unless they're just going to not do business in a target market at all, which isn't feasible for someone like Comcast or AT&T.

isnt Sup Forums hosted in switzerland?

Major ISPs have sued to stop a great many competing Internet infrastructure projects initiated by both Web companies and municipalities.

@63709325
(You) don't even deserve a (You)

Why is France allowed but Germany isn't?

I don't know about international law.
The internet has no minimal quality of service so throttling to 90s speeds is possible and still look ok legally I think.
Also I have no idea if international agreements deal with dropped packages etc.

Throttling is illegal under EU law, and so is intentionally hobbling service. Both of these measures would get anyone who tries them sued.

I should have added that I am referring more generally to all of the legal permits and governmental inertia that comes with being an established utility.

See arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/one-big-reason-we-lack-internet-competition-starting-an-isp-is-really-hard/2/

Title II protects companies like Google from legal action when they move to lay down fiber in new markets, because it implements pole attachment rights nationwide, big telecoms can no longer sue competitor ISPs for trying to use the already existing infrastructure like they did to google in Kentucky and Tennessee.

THIS IS THE REAL REASON COMCAST AND TWC ARE SHILLING AGAINST TITLE II SO HARD, it threatens their monopolies by opening the floodgates to competition and they don’t like that

Google actively supports Title II because , look it up

This is what I was arguing. ISPs are limited in the amount of power they can reasonably wield over the Internet overall, because many of the people they would be screwing over are now more rich and powerful than they are - case in point, Google, whose entire raison d'etre is being able to direct the flow of Internet traffic.

Various laws make owning an internet connection in germany hell, especially public ones.
It only got a bit better recently, but basically if someone knows your IP address he can sue the shit out of you in many ways

none of this alarmist bullshit will happen and I WILL make a daily thread to rub it in your idiot noses

If it doesn't happen, it'll be thanks to the efforts of people working hard to prevent it.

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UPS does this.

Torrenting right now:
>66GB anime
>50GB sci-fi books, 1930 - 1960, English.
>67GB Soviet literature (in Russian)
>27GB Strategic Intelligence Network
>2GB, World Languages
>10GB hentai
>500GB World-Tracker Organization (archive of every written work in recorded history)

>these are the people creating "women in tech" bait threads

>(archive of every written work in recorded history)
Do post a link please

Here you go my good sir.
Fuck hedonistic archiving of pointless entertainment.
Archive the past for the benefit of the future!

Many thankyous. It's rare to see someone actually helping in Sup Forums these days.

>books on every subject imaginable
nice, now i can become a know-it-all mentalist

Glad to help you anons, if you want, here's another good torrent.

>Currently downloading about 2tb of anime
>Don't feel any desire to have an archive of human knowledge only 1/4 that size
I feel kind of pathetic, but not enough to convince me to download this.

Let me explain something that might change your mind user.
The first things to go won't be "muh animu" or "muh hentai".
The first things to go will be knowledge, the freedom of information, education, and free speech.
Content WILL get censored.
Entertainment will only get pushed around more to dumb down the public, don't worry about shit like anime dying out, worry about knowledge.
This is the brink of 1984 mate.

>2 TB of anime
how tho... why tho

To watch.

Ah, a man of taste I see.
Same here, downloading the torrent.
What's your speed?

Hey non-lardmericans
where are we going to move after muricans lose their internet and Sup Forums dies?

daily reminder to download textfiles.com/

That's just PR so he keeps getting your tax money to fund his goal of killing people in space.

Ending NN and will be the best thing for us because it will force us to meet in person. Computer clubs and Sneakernets will make a comeback and the comradery of the old days will return.

>his goal of killing people in space.
how would that help him? Unless you think he's some sort of interdimensional child molester

Look on the bright side you'll probably get lots of overtime.

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GB Strategic Intelligence Network
GB World-Tracker Organization (archive of every written work in recorded history)
GB Strategic Intelligence Network
GB, World Languages
Sanpai can you please share the magnets for this?
I have a lot of data and
Here have some

Buy a 8TB HDD

>only 10gb of hentai
fucking pleb

You need to be extra retarded.

>because it will force us to meet in person.
How?
It's like you made up this whole fantasy that if NN ended the internet dies and people will start hanging out. Which isn't going happen.
Also what's stopping you from going outside and doing all of that right now?

can i get a magnet to that?

Fun question.
"Is Sup Forums blocked now on your ISP"?
If you answered NO congratulations the ISP-shills are retarded and wrong.

fuck off evil kike