Talk about: >finding friends to link with >linking meshes over VPN >decentralisation/distribution of all layers of protocol, from network itself to end-user applications
DO NOT talk about: >logos or names (use the Git issues for that) >meme shit like lasers, HAM, or satellites. We already said that shit won't work right now >monetisation. If we need money we can ask friends or stop being poor. We don't need crowdsourcing really
The speed has to be limited by design, if not the users transfering files would slow down the network for other users
Cameron Martinez
How can a networking brainlet like me contribute besides editing the wiki and (mostly) lurking in the IRC?
Luis Bell
Currently under development: - A tool called geternet-cli that will tie all the deployment scripts together into one place. (knots) - A hash based system to assign addresses across a decentralized network (cat is looking for more input on this; if you have any comments/questions direct them towards him in irc). - A simple GUI for those inexperienced with the linux command line.
To Do: - decide on hardware standards for City to City relays - create resources for newbies on the wiki - gather more people - start building internet bridges for the intermesh connections (Linux Sysadmin tier) - start designing diy kits for meshnet end users (Should be newbie-midlevel friendly tier) - look into croundfunding options for purchasing city to city relay backbone equipment (Richfag tier)
Things NOT To Do: - Talk about logos - Talk about names - monetary incentive - satellites or other expensive meme hardware
Wyatt Smith
I want to add myself to the map but I might be moving in the middle of next year, can I have a point removed later IF that happens? If so what do I have to do to make sure that's possible.
Owen Wright
Additional: >for those who do want to throw money at this project: Buy different hardware and test it! >jokes don't bring us anywhere, especially when it comes to things that have been told not to do. >before asking something, check if it's been talked about in the wiki
Elijah Ward
yes, let's leave the throttled internet to make another throttled network. are you fucking stupid see if frens are interested i forgot to add that if you're adding yourself to the map, include a working email, it can be cockli or something
Daniel Gutierrez
also learn networking, there's resources on youtube and pdfs chock full of information. it was fun for me to learn so just try it, you might learn stuff
Lincoln Gray
Knots here:
Screenshot of gternet-cli help output from last night. It will be our one stop tool for everything gternet related. It is still being debugged so just use the scripts on git I will update when the software is stable enough for normal users.
Jayden Miller
Hey all, new to these threads
What's the plan for deploying new infrastructure? Do you guys plan to drape cat5 cables everywhere or something?
Gabriel Rodriguez
>yes, let's leave the throttled internet to make another throttled network. are you fucking stupid Are you retarded of just pretending? Bandwidth is finite you retard. The speed needs to be limited or is not going to work.
Christopher Moore
>Bandwidth is finite you retard. by that definition the speed is already limited, retard
Aiden Sanchez
this. what's the range on wi-fi? everyone on the map looks so far away.
Kevin Williams
Read the wiki please
Charles Cook
Current plan afaik is to use long range wifi on raspberry pis or cables between them for intracity connections, and then use existing internet infrastructure for the time being to bridge these meshes.
TL;DR read the wiki, faggots.
Robert Miller
btw i'll mess with openvpn and peer with anonet and we can leverage their existing experience and infrastructure to create a relay between meshes and with the internet
Levi Nelson
Buy my hardware once I have a working design :^)
yea "mods" remove mine all the time because I dont add an email
the jokes are a great incentive to be in these generals imo
Adrian Gray
What level of content will this operate at (looked at the wiki and didn't see a specific answer)? Because I'm working on a script that will convert simple markup to a properly nroff formatted plaintext file for my phlog (gopher blog).
Will this be of any use to you when I'm done?
Samuel Ramirez
Don't count on it. I wanted to update my node but they just moved it to the new map and now I can't edit or remove it. That might happen again.
Ayden Ortiz
Yeah, you're just retarded. Let's say the mesh network has a speed of 1Gbps, now see this example: >A is hosting a 10GB file that B, C, D and E want. >If the bandwidth isn't limited the one that gets all the speed is the first to click download, let's say B clicks download first. >Now C, D and E have to wait for B to finish downloading the file( approximately 80 seconds). >When B finish, let's say C was the second to click download so now D and E have to wait and so on. Now you see the problem retard? It needs to be limited or use a torrent like protocol.
Michael Wilson
Our network will not have clearnet access so it will be up to the users to supply the content and services. Think of the internet back before the www boom when it was just enthusists doing their own thing. Eventually the content will fill out as more people get involved and can register domains and address space from our decentralized system for handling those things.
Easton Powell
...or just use packet switching. a concept literally older than the internet
Noah Mitchell
nobody wants to spend 46 days downloading a 10GB file
Matthew Ross
>A is hosting a 10GB file that B, C, D and E want. bittorrent, ipfs, any protocol that distributes the load on each peer and doubles as redundancy in case one peer goes down. also you could use separate routes for each peer, or separate routes with different pieces of the file and piece them together at destination, so one line isn't bogged with all the transmission going on
please take an intro to networking class
Nolan Phillips
Noted, thanks. I'll just idle in IRC then and people can trace my shit if they want to know where I'm located.
Nathan Cox
What do you guys thinking of developing standardized hardware? It would remove a lot of patchwork I think
Kayden Gutierrez
heterogeneous hardware choice is probably our best bet
Elijah Morales
>Our network will not have clearnet access you do realise technically anyone who wants to peer with us over the internet using openvpn or whatever, they can all access our resources
this isn't sekrit club shit, please stop acting like it. we're just trying to decentralise as best we can and do things "right" with security and debloat in mind
Jeremiah Ward
What should be the standard then? I suggest that the antennas should be Omni-directional(very important for the mesh style network), 5 GHz with dual band(important for faster transfer speeds and lower latency), 802.11ac compatible (very important for faster transfer speeds) , multipoint capable (important for the mesh style network) with no less than 8dBi. I found a cheap one with those specs for 56 bucks.
Caleb Powell
havent we went over this several times over the past ten threads? use whatever hardware is available and does the job
Zachary Miller
Standards are good, besides 56 bucks is cheap. www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-58-ghz-7-8-dbi-dual-band-onmi-antenna-n-female-connector
Jackson Wright
>standards are always, inarguably, irreversibly good >doesnt pay any attention to the fact that different hardware has use for different situations please gtfo this thread you fucking mouth breather
Cooper Morales
If you don't set a standard is not going to work, stay retarded.
William Phillips
hmm can you tell me how the internet uses wireless and wired simultaneously?
standards != sameness
Jaxon Wood
The modern internet is one of the most standardized things in the world. If don't set a basic hardware and software standard is going to be a botched mess. Stay retarded.
Jaxson James
standards != sameness you fucking suggested using the same exact hardware for every bit of the network you fucking tool stop derailing the thread
Aaron Miller
How about this?
Gabriel Turner
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Jace Hill
No standard then, ok. So no multipoint (good bye mesh network) , no 5ghz( enjoy your 100+ ms of latency) , single band (enjoy your choked network) This is simply not going to work well without a standard
Noah Phillips
get the fuck out of the thread you flaming retard
Nolan Phillips
your original post: >What should be the standard then? >the standard >implying we're going to use one single fucking standard for the entire fucking network you have to be eighteen to post here
Levi Reed
This is cool, but the OP post is shit. Where is the progress timeline? What are the next steps? What is the end goal? Everything needs to be clearer. If you make clear, concise goals, people will be more willing to jump on board. Just trying to help.
Colton Hughes
On that note, please make it clear how many members you need and in what areas.
Gabriel Fisher
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Hunter Green
kek wrong post
Hunter Powell
>Every well-intentioned contribution is valuable! Get your friends and neighbours in on this
If your "team" is going to remain hypocritical, then you can wish this project goodbye just like the rest of Sup Forums's attempts.
Levi Price
>I didn't bother reading the thread before posting and I'm upset that I got called out on it
yikes
Luis Hughes
I'm not upset actually, I'm just disappointed in you and your efforts. Could be more organized is the point I'm trying to make. Enjoy the high horse however.
Samuel Walker
keep up with the irc and wiki, and anything that's missing how about adding it to the wiki instead of concern trolling and shitting up the thread? the OP can only be so long before Sup Forums rejects it
Kevin Nguyen
As I am the only dude in thousands of mile, I have started to design posters and flyers which I plan to distribute in my University. But my Photoshop skill is dumb and I am only making this in MS paint.
Can somebody please design me a black and white poster with a qr code that will redirect to mesh.gentoo.today if scanned ? Please !!
Wyatt Powell
I was thinking about expensive wireless antennas and shit but I realized I can run miles of fiber cable to my friend's house. Things like this is normal in my city. Anybody can tie a wire to telephone poles and take that wire wherever they wish. So No problem connecting the nodes for me.
Jordan Thompson
>he would like to spend 5000 USD for a mile og optical conection
Evan Ward
Can’t we make the internet bridges over Tor? That seems as an easy solution to me~
Easton Walker
>running multiple mesh hops over poorly connected nodes over openvpn over the Tor network seems like a great way to get dailup desu also tor is run by cia niggers you should know this
Bentley Watson
just use openvpn
Luke Gutierrez
Hey pajeet from urajeet, where are you from?
Grayson Peterson
My entry on map got removed??!
Ryder Sanchez
So I want to get vps for ipfs and internet bridges. Which one would you suggest?
Cameron Diaz
Where are you from? India? Me too. I've already got my dorm mates into this Contact? You on IRC?
Easton Hall
OVH is cheap, MivoCloud and HostHatch are also decent
Christian Hall
Can I use vps like a PC? Like can I remote view into it and see the GUI?
Elijah Bell
just learn commandline and use ssh
Landon Long
I know command line and ssh, but can I remote view? I want to use it as my PC. I really want to contribute to gternet somehow but I don't have a computer. There's a iMac in my library with restricted admin permissions. If I connect to a vps, would that be like using a Linux computer with high speed internet?
Cameron Wilson
>city to city relay
Cubesat, there is literally no other option.
Sebastian Perez
Learn about X-forwarding or VNC, the former is preferable but requires you to have a local x-server.
Julian Wilson
Thanks!
Evan Torres
Problem with cubesat is that you cannot send encrypted messages legally as you are using the HAM frequencies in the 420–450 MHz range.
Andrew Ward
Then how do people use vpn on satellite internet?
Parker Cruz
Because that's not over HAM frequencies. The people selling the service has actually licensed some of the frequency spectrum.
Chase Morris
Could cubesats or similar satellites use spectrum that doesn't need license?
Brandon Wright
Yes, that would be the HAM frequencies. But as I just mentioned it's illegal to encrypt anything on that.
Anthony Gonzalez
Byampu-kun~
Jaxson Cook
Why? Why is it illegal? The good earth belongs to all of us. The spectrum is for all of us. You will not tell me what to do! Freedom is my life I seldom listen to that hearsay. You think I'm going to fall for this? Why the government get money form license? Doesnt the spectrum belong to me too? Why do they have a monopoly? We are here to decentralize Not to depend and worship monopolies! "Ohhhh you have a em wave to *that* wavelength? You *have* to pay ME!" We are not having any of that
Leo Clark
Might makes right that's why. Get an army and change it if you want to.
Asher Murphy
Hey everyone
Im back to working on the project today. Will be debugging and expanding the functionality of gternet-cli. And hopefully have it stable and tested for you all to use by tonight. One of the features i was thinking about implementing was an automated deployment for various basic services so we can get content up on the network faster. For instance: you want to run an ftp server on gternet for sharing files with other users. You would need to run gternet-cli deploy ftp
And then just dump your files in /srv/ftp
Right now i can immediately implement setups for nginx web servers and ftp. Some others i was considering were: irc, forum web servers, and docker.
Any other suggestions? Im open to adding any features you all cam think up as best i can
Kevin Bennett
Why not use skywire and/or substratum as a basis?
Nicholas Rodriguez
No autocorrect will correct to "fuck". Modern mobile OS know that word but never suggest it.
Hudson Bennett
Just got my RPI Zero W today. Once the USB Hub comes in Ima gonna fuck around with getting it up as a node. I figure if you can have the batman-adv startup on boot and make the config file in the same partition as the config for the system (raspbian) then you would only need the pi and the sd card + whatever computer you already have. That's like $20 tops per node.
Isaiah Watson
no ICOs please
John Davis
im the map mod. I can edit anything on the map so please reply with your requests. Im abroad so im not very active in the irc right now.
Tldr: 900mhz basically sucks and 2.4ghz is almighty God.
Samuel Russell
But it's more complicated than that so read the article.
Wyatt Howard
Just KISS... Just give a simple setup interface for anything. We don't need ubuntu-like interfaces
Connor Diaz
Another team member is developing the front end for people who dont want to use cli. But for people who want to run headless nodes a gui just adds bloat
John Roberts
pls de1337 this node so I can get control back over it If you need confirmation just ping derk-dk on IRC. I'll respond if I'm awake
Jace Lee
please post updates. I am interested in using pi 0 w's but I'm unsure if they're powerful enough.
Cameron Cox
Hello fellow dk user
Carter Nelson
which one of the pins are you?
Hunter Cooper
The one located in the finest part of Denmark
Aaron Powell
lemme guess youre in odense
Christopher Long
Dhaka Bangladesh. Jamesluke irc
Isaiah Ramirez
200m cable is roughly 44$. so One mile should have been close to 250$.
Not bad. Kinda looks like there's a wasp stuck in the web.
Also bump
Evan Cooper
Some updates:
- gternet-cli is stable enough to open again for testing. However we are playing around with replacing OpenVPN with Freelan as it supports true p2p better out of the box. I am going to be testing changes in the next few days and testing the first few connections with other members on IRC in the next few days. - The batman setup part of gternet-cli is working. You can download and run it for testing on your own hardware using this example. note that "wlan0" should be replaced with whatever your wifi device's name is: apt update && apt install git mkdir ~/git && cd ~/git git clone git.jollo.org/gternet/software/gternet-cli.git sudo ./gternet-cli deploy mesh wlan0
Then confirm its working by checking the outputs of "ip link" (or ifconfig) and look for the bat0 interface. If its there then confirm you are broadcasting with "iwconfig". You should be broadcasting an SSID called "gternet" - Some great resources were posted on the wiki regarding frequency options. see - Once we confirm the functionality of freelan vs OpenVPN we will be ready to begin testing connections between mesh networks.
