DUDE, YOUR HARD DRIVE COULD DIE AT ANY SECOND

>DUDE, YOUR HARD DRIVE COULD DIE AT ANY SECOND.

is poor hard drive fragility/longevity just a meme? i have a few 10-year-old drives that are still going strong

Reliability plummets once you go over 1TB.

There are 2 kinds of people.
Ones that make backups and the ones that will.

>is poor hard drive fragility/longevity just a meme
yes
hard drives will fail with use, but it takes quite a good bit of use
>up to 20% faster than other 5400RPM drives
>other
what?

NAS HDDs are superior.

As long as you do some kind of RAID with redundancy, you're good.

As always, RAID is not an actual backup but a temporary safety measure.

7200RPM disc will indeed spin more than 20% faster than 5400 ones

thank god I was fooled and bought 931 GB thinking it was 1TB

wording makes it sound like the hdd is also 5400rpm - that's what "other" typically signifies

I started when my shitty 1TB WD External shit the bed.
It is pretty easy once setup, I don't even do anything on my part since the backup runs auto-magically every day.
The only downside is the cost since I'd need twice the amount of HDDs.

It can go for 10 years or it can die within 1. It's not that failure rates are absurdly high (at least not with good brands) it's that they can happen no matter how high quality your HDD is. Modern HDDs have much better longevity than they used to but they can still fail randomly at any point.

It's extremely rare for a CPU, RAM, or GPU to go out after 1 year of non-abusive use (ignoring DOAs). It's not that rare to have a HDD fail after 1 year. So you always have to keep important data redundant.

Drives also fail due to defects that don't ghet detected at QA and external factors so you can't really expect all your drives to last 10 years.

One of my drives died after a power outage last month - I/O errors, OS would just hang for a couple of minutes trying to access it. At least it was in software raid 1 so I didn't lose anything. I got a NAS with 4x3TB in RAID 5 after that though as I was already running out of the 6TBs i had on my PC and I was afraid I will somehow fuck up the replacement on the failed raid1 drive(so I copied the data from the surviving drive to it temporarily before rebuilding)

Before that I had not had issues with drives since 2005 when a 40GB maxtor randomly failed after 2 years of use.

And I also dropped a plate on one which was sitting outside the case but I wouldn't count that as a failed drive.

I have a drive from fucking 1996 and it still works. On the other hand, I've had several other HDDs that have failed in less than 2 years. It's a matter of build quality and how much you move them around.

>tfw been using the same 300gb hard drive for 7 years

This. I've never had a hard drive fail, but I've seen so many people on Sup Forums say that they'd lost their porn collections to dying hard drives that I just had to buy an extra hard drive for my new computer.

(Then, since my mother kept pestering me about the possibility that the house would be burglarized (it happened once a few years ago), I converted the 2.5" hard drive from my old laptop to a second backup that I carry on my person when I go to work.)

>I got a NAS with 4x3TB in RAID 5
hey, it's me, but not!

I don't do backup at all and I don't give a fuck about my data.
fite me.

I see you haven't had a hardware failure.

38409 hours and still spinning

or he just uses cloud services like google drive

You will.

I have no pictures, no music, no videos.
I can download everything in no time with fiber.

So... you just don't create anything digital, have any personal information, or have any passwords that need to be managed?

Well... that's one way to go about it.

That'd be like saying "I don't back-up, I just use a filesystem that is integrated into a backup scheme."

No one said backing up had to be tedious and difficult.

i had more 500, 750 and 1000tb drives die on me in the years prior to 2tb drives going mainstream than 2tb and 4tb drives die on me in the 8 years since. i'm still running some of the first 2tb drives i bought

is it because there's more platters?

You got my oldest drive beat by a little

>you just don't create anything digital,
I don't give a shit about people so I don't have any video/picture.
My cron tasks can be written in no time and I don't have any personal project atm.
> have any personal information
I try my best not to.
>have any passwords that need to be managed
mnemonic password/phrase

> that's one way to go about it.
Clearly not the way you should go if you still have things you care about.

Its not a meme. And its random.

when hard drives die, do they slowly deteriorate with clear signs of failure weeks if not months in advance, or can they suddenly just stop working entirely?

I have one over 62k hours.

Bullshit. Samsung Spinpoint F3 2tbs were some of the most reliable drives ever made. Fuck your 1tb meme.

Too bad seagate bought and gutted the brand.

Both.

I've had Seagate harddrives fail after a few months and I've had WD harddrives last 10 years.

It depends on brand and model and you never know when they die until they do.

I learned my lessons years ago, now I RAID1 my OS drive (SSD and old hdd as --write-mostly) and RAID6 my storage. I also backup everything important monthly.

True, but that's not my experience. HDDs have either failed within half a year or lasted a decade. But that's just my luck, your millage will vary.

I've had both happen. Some of the signs of a dying HDD are clicking noises or the system freezing for a while while accessing data on the disk or at least becoming slow with a lot of HDD activity. You should also check s.m.a.r.t. data once in a while - sometimes it can reveal an issue before the drive fails.

Both. I have 1TB drive that I used both for OS and storage and I was able to detect bad sectors in it in time to make a backup copy.
For me no drive died just like that - except one SSD fucker. And when SSD is dying, then it's fucking ded, game over.

Maybe because you stopped using that hard drive almost immediately, you could get 5-times as much storage for the same price 2 years later... You are kind of forgetting that everything from 90s works, because it became absurdly obsolete the day you bought it and was sold for the price of the new Macbook nowadays.

I have killed drives by trying to defrag one that made a ton of clicking noises, and i think it died due to fast wear or overheating the motor.

Confirmed, this user is right.
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>Bullshit. Samsung Spinpoint F3 2tbs were some of the most reliable drives ever made. Fuck your 1tb meme.
I still have a 1TB of those. Love it, fast as hell (as far as spinny platters go) and still working despite being almost 10 years old now.

No, it died because it was clicking you dumbo. It would die in a day or two anyway.

I mean it clicked for 5 months and then when I defragged for 10+ hours it died.
So, the clicking was a result of wear and I guess the motor finally gave out. (Clicking is not due to motor wear, but the arm)

Hey man, you can't call me a dumbo when you don't even understand it yourself!

That's cute, this bad boy is still working after 78k

> the possibility that the house would be burglarized

what the fuck? get a gun license and acquire an arsenal, this is not a fucking joke

Mine will be working just fine after 78k, don't worry.

QC for HDDs has gone done the shitter since mid 2000s. It started with the shift from LMR to PMR. PMR was immature and this cause several batches of problematic HDDs.

It is also becoming more difficult to construct HDD that can reliably read/write the areal density on modern platters. It is nothing short of a miracle that modern HDD even work for two years without suffering from bad sectors.

It's sad to hear that shitgate did that, I used to love the Samsung Spinpoints, best drives I ever had. Nowadays I settle on Toshiba, hopefully the HGST heritage is alive and well in them.

Well having backups is never a bad thing. I'd rather have them v.s not having any and one day walking in after work to find my server's crashed taking all the data with it. Raid/controller cards can fail,cables can go bad,hdds can fail. Any one of these three things can/will cause your data to be destroyed. Heat is a good cause of quick HDD death. A single drive, blah, not to bad, but add 7 plus hot cpu and run a program that stresses them all and watch the temps climb, sure after a while the temps will fall but over time it adds up. Keeping the drives powered off when not in use extends the lifespan cause you know the motor's ain't spinning and whatnot plus you eliminate chance of power spike/surge taking out the drive.
This is how I've got mine setup.
Server attached to UPS
Data is on Raid 5 and Raid 1 volumes
Data is backed up to a 12TB Raid 5 NAS (Powered off when not used)
Core files is backed up to 2nd Raid 0 4TB NAS (Powered off when not used)
Server Sys Image + other core data is backed up to a 3TB External drive. (Power off when not used). I use Macrium reflect to manage the backups/server image. I can recover the entire server + data volumes via that program. Take about a week to do it if I had to. Which is way better than redoing the whole thing from scratch (even if I could, some of the data goes back to 1997/8)

More parking heads so it means any one of them could go at a random point of time, there's more room for error the more parts in a hard drive there are.

what program is that?

Yes.

Defragging was silly. Hear clicks? Rescue data then harvest useful magnets from paperweight. Defragging dying drives just finishes them off.

Deflagger

I think they usually just say that because they want people to dump porn or reaction images.

SMART is a good thing to keep an eye on. Hopefully the idea is to get a heads up saying "dude, you got a failing drive" in time to save the data before it's lost for good. Course sometimes this don't work as planned, say your gone for a week and on Monday the SMART gets triggered but by the time you get home, Sunday, the drive's a goner.

i simply can't afford to back up 60TB of data

my current solution is stablebit scanner, which continuously scans your drive and evacuates files when it detects bad blocks or some other kind of issue

how fucked am i?

Kekd

Cherry pick your core stuff and backup that instead. Trust me, yeah re ripping your whole video/cd collection is a pain in the ass (if you've got a lot) but long as you got the source disc it can be done, but your e-books or financial stuff you'd better back up that ASAP.

Well, it's all in the statistics. Three to four years lifespan on average means that some people experience faults with their drives after 10 days, while others won't experience it after 10 years. You're just one of the lucky ones.

>get guns
>dozens of really good guns
>store them at home
>keep a couple on your person
>go to work
>house gets burglarized
>don't know cause you're at work
>go home
>computers are gone
>shoot holes into your wall

You know I just looked for the hell of it and a 1TB drive costs $50 now. $50! My how prices have fallen.

>Have 1 TB external
>starts rattling
>couple weeks later, it doesnt open anymore
>try the usual solutions to no avail
>decide to place it upside down, it works

This was 5 years ago, it still only works upside down and I still havent backed it up

I just back all my shit into tape drive

That said my main drive I've used for a decade with no issues.

it happened to a lot of my notebook hds and one seagate hd made especially for servers (it died twice during warranty life)

That's a well phenomenon called the oqǝɔɐld effect.

I have a 10year old seagate that's starting to show it's age, random slowdowns and constant whirring noise

you mean 1TiB

Are tapes cost effective? Is it true you can only write on them a couple of times before they are fucked? Do you have to use a specific brand?

my drive are clicking everyday but power on hours already like 10-20k is it normal ? They said turn hdd off on power option.

They're not meant to be written to frequently, you write once and forget about it

If you treat it like archival storage it'll be forever, but dont plan on using it every single day.

and its going to be a slow process anyway

Uh they're cost effective if you already have the means of doing it.

I think if you wanted to get into it now it's a huge entry cost

>mfw my WD external took down 2TB of my precious data with it because it had hardware level encryption and the chip failed for no reason, it didn't matter that the HDD itself was fine

WD, not even once.

I used to have one around that level too, and it died pretty quickly after that. maxtor 40 GB IDE I think.

>Too bad seagate bought and gutted the brand.
a true calamity. it was amazing how samsung just burst on the hard drive scene with the spinpoint F1 and TROUNCED the competition from the start. being a poorfag I only bought one (1TB F3 for $60 on black friday 2010), but it's still works really well.

This here was part of my RAID0 from 3x 2TB WD Greens. had 90% uptime.

>clicking
Impending death. Mine started to click, 2 or 3 months later it stopped working. 31k hours powered on.
Never made a full backup in my life but for some reason I decided to make one a week before it died, never been more glad of having an external hdd.

ive basically given up trying to fix this drive
>WD green EARX
>all the driver fixes dont fucking work

5.4 power on years how old is that drive?

what are you trying to fix?

Is OK equals good?

>44020 and 52463 power on hours here on two WD green 1TB drives.

How fucked I am? They are from 2008 or 2009 something like that.

Lol

Got some hdd failure on me, and it was SEAGATE.

My WD green with 30k hours work fine though.

60k hours and still going. Yanked it out of my closet last year and put it into my budget build.

...

Maxtor's died a lot. External WD's died a lot. One bad Seagate external 2TB. 4x Brand new HGST 2TB drives DOA. It's a lottery. Just back your important shit up.

Never forget

The cycle count is at 450k, what the fuck do you think hes trying to fix, the arm is fragging itself just idling. The green earx drives are notorious for this issue where the read arm just constantly rests and unrest in a set position and it's killing the drive, the 450k number should be no more than 6k and the warranty goes at the 30k mark

Didn't wdidle3 work?
I have 2 of these greens, one of them I caught at 140k before changing the timeout for parking, the other one I fixed right after getting it(though that usually just sits on the shelf as backup)

That's what I meant by drivers, I've tried every solution I've found in forums as well as on here, the little shit still parks once every 5-6 seconds. In all seriousness I will probably get a replacement drive and sell it on ebay sometime soon, its being used as a compressed file storage drive, nothing important since I don't trust it

seriously underrated
>buy 10tb drives
>get 8tb of actual capcity
when will they be brought to justice?

>not using the superior form of crystaldisk

this is my oldest drive desu no way near yours how many years have you had that

The only hard drive that has failed on me was a 3 TB Seagate. I think I had it for about 3 years and 10 months before it one night mysteriously disconnected from my computer and never returned.

back your shit on writables, fags

>Pajeet botnet OS

>is poor hard drive fragility/longevity just a meme?
It's like insurance. Odds are, you won't need it, but in the unlikely event that you do, you'll be glad you had it, and the cost is easily absorbed.

you too could die at any second

just do the backups. raid just kills the drives faster by causing unnecessary load

I have a 360MB hard drive that still runs just fine.

That doesn't mean I would trust it with important data that isn't backed up anywhere else. It also means I wouldn't expect every drive of the same model to have lasted the same amount of time.

For every drive you have it's literally one of hundreds of thousands produced of that model. Even if you cut it down to iterations it's one of thousands or tens of thousands.
Your sample size is beyond tiny. It's completely irrelevant.

>Want to be a good boy and back up shit
>At least a $300 effort due to 16TB

Being an autistic datahorder is suffering

Backblaze allows you to back up as much as you want to the cloud for a fixed price as long as it's on local drives.