fuck you by any definition not adding Arch to this OP.
Arch is not fucking bloat.
Isaiah Morris
Yes it is. Prepare for the copypastas
Parker Jackson
There's no better way to broadcast that you're a jerk off with too much spare time, than showing that you actually give a shit about distros.
Elijah Ramirez
Yes it is.
Jackson Walker
Okay mate you're free to your opinion and I'm free to mine.
Have a good night bud.
Ryder Watson
>inb4 the arch is not minimal pasta
It should be included. The OP focuses on package count and recommends Debian in the same post. I prefer Debian, but Arch installs less packages so what gives.
Connor Campbell
user i dont have the copy pastas, you post them.
Christopher Brooks
I use Alpine on my server, it's pretty good
my only complaint (and its not even really a complaint) is that because it's compiled with the grsecurity patches sometimes my containers break in weird ways but that's an easy fix.
Josiah Davis
Okay, have a good night my friend.
Austin Smith
Found the ubuntu user with 2000 packages installed
BLOAT
Angel Turner
du -hs /mnt/landfill/archlinux-2017.12.01-x86_64.iso 488M /mnt/landfill/archlinux-2017.12.01-x86_64.iso
it also ends up being like 400 mb installed so i dunno seems pretty ok
Colton Long
Arch is sooo fucking bloat lmao. The fucking iso image size says it all. It's half a gig. >500 mb iso
I didn't do this on my install, so while it's fairly minimal as far as my daily programs, I have like 1000+ packages. oh well, at least it's just a VM
Aaron Hernandez
OP here. I got a nice suggestion from an user.
Feh is bloat. Use sxiv. setroot for wallpapers. Xsetroot
Is this true?
Angel Rogers
I didn't know about this option. I hated it when debian installs random shit but i heard thats for stability.
Ryder Bell
I agree with sxiv, it can do GIF too while being more minimal. I kinda not agree about (x)setroot but because I know how to use .xinitrc with imagemagick. damn, I kinda know how to put a video using mplayer/vlc as wallpaper, so I don't need anything else.
Andrew Gomez
For some reason anything other than feh kills my terminal transparency. I have no clue how it does that, but it does, so I stick with feh.
Posting again my recipe to have a wm without a DE. do a regular installation of your distro but dont install a desktop environment, install xorg and xinit afterwards fro the command line then put a line in the .xinit in your home folder starting your wm. Here is my xinitrc starting Ratpoison: xrdb -merge -I$HOME ~/.Xresources xbindkeys display -size 1280x800 -window root ~/.wallpaper.jpg exec dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session ratpoison The xbindkeys is for some custom keys I have (I replaced screenshot and screencasting with imagemagick and ffmpeg scripts), the part that says "display" is where you want to put the wallpaper, obviously you need to know what size your screen is with something like xrandr. Whatever you do do it in order because all must be started in order, notice how I put exec" at the end, that starts the wm last.
Maybe we should save this somewhere for newbies.
Christian Brooks
If you use arch, manjaro, ubuntu,mint , Antergos, solus or any other of the thousands of gnu/linux meme distros. Don't bother posting in this thread
Andrew Myers
Continuing with my other post, here are the scripts I said: # Take screenshot import -window root png:$HOME/xwz_$(date "+%Y-%m-%d-%H:%M:%S").png
As you might suspect, the "import" command is from imagemagick. Also notice how I used a command to kill ffmpeg in the case is running, with that I can stop a running recording. I've put this on my xbindkeys file, got a few more bindings but specific to my thinkpad.
If any of you guys have similar wizardry please share, I want to tweak my Source Mage installation too.
Jaxson Garcia
>dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session what does this do? I normally just put exec
Nah, is just to close everything with X, no orphan processes and compatible env variables. Absolutely optional.
Caleb Smith
Why do normies love bloat so much? Is it because they are brainlets?
Thomas Ramirez
I suspect they know less about computers than your average minimalist. We can make stuff work with so little, they need to keep adding applications to do the same, and then they need another application to make the first work and so on, GUIs are many times an example of this. Wouldn't mind if not by the stupidity of adding necessary code and compatibility code to make GUIs and other bloat functions work. Layers of cruft thanks to ignorance.
David Morgan
Lower bloat = lower attack surface
Kevin Stewart
Exactly.
Parker Gutierrez
This. Don't use bash. Bash is BLOAT
Brayden Martin
Actually ZSH is bloat, Bash is the right tool for the right job while ZSH is bloated functions added to the main code, is not Unix in any way. If you want to go minimal and don't need more than a shell use mksh.
Isaac Jenkins
What is the difference between the Debian NET Iso and that other one? Won't it download everything the bigger one has anyway?
Andrew Bennett
screw that busybox ash
Nathaniel Gutierrez
xfce is bloat kde is bloat lxde is bloat All de's are bloat. The regular isos have bloat shit. Debian net iso is bare bones. Not many packages as the regular iso's
Ethan Cook
I see. So this is for the most advanced users. I'm a casual user and I hate bloat. What DE should I get then? Cinnamon or XFCE?
Carson Rogers
No. I've used it before. I think there's options in there to end up with the DEs, but in general it dumps you at a TTY after install.
David Cooper
Definitely not cinnamon. XFCE or LXDE/LXQT are the best for casuals.
Joseph Reyes
What can you even do without a DE? Can you even launch Firefox or watch a video? Thanks, m8.
Sebastian Robinson
Dwm. It's sooo fucking fast. What distro do you use?
Liam Carter
It isn't advanced at all. Read OP's post.
Protip: If you aren't comfortable with the terminal or aren't proficient with GNU/Linux this thread isn't for you.
If you get the hang of the terminal, you are good to go man
Tyler Adams
I use Linux Mint. So you can use a window manager without a DE? Didn't know that. I'm using Linux for 2 years but I don't know how to get into the advanced stuff. I think I should read a book about Linux. The most advanced thing I know how to do is set up a NFS server. Maybe I will learn a lot by trying to use my computer without a distro?
Wyatt Scott
Yes you can do all the things. For opening applications on minimal WMs, you would use dmenu tools.suckless.org/dmenu/
As for watching videos on local storage, you would use mpv on the command line to do that.
Daniel Green
>XFCE or LXDE/LXQT are the best for casuals. This.
>I use Linux Mint. You are just starting on this, so be careful. I advice you install debian net iso on a virtual machine and tinker a bit. Have a set of stuff you want to download.
Blake Rodriguez
As much as this thread loves to shit on Arch, I actually started getting more comfortable with the command-line and advanced stuff when I installed it and configured it. I eventually moved on, but installing arch might be a good learning experience.
Christopher Hernandez
>1 >2 >34
FTFY
Hudson Jenkins
>not knowing how a countdown works. >jumping from 2 to 34 wew
Adam Cook
>being this new
Sebastian Robinson
Disgusting. Why would you fucking use Linux Mint???? Out
Bentley Sullivan
arch BLOAT
Aiden Clark
Clam down. I used to be a Mintfag too. He'll learn. He seems genuinely interested in it too. no bully
Dominic Morales
This. We should help the noobs.
Angel Turner
I know, but it was how I first got familiar with the command line and shit. as I said, I moved on to Debian, and will probably move to a systemd-free distro next.
Alexander Watson
Agreed.
Brandon Jones
Fine, i used to be a manjaro fag as well anyways. Sorry user
Dominic Allen
I will do this, m8. VM is for pussies, I will go full hardcore mode. Wish me luck, lad. I managed to follow the steps of the first page of the installation guide and learned a lot but I always like the have full disk encryption and it is a pain to do it manually. My favorite distros are Debian and Fedora but I use Mint just because it doesn't have that GRUB thing when booting.
Joseph Martinez
Fuck you, I'm mad now
Sebastian Diaz
Thank you, I'm calm now
Connor Turner
I'm using i3 after using xfce for ages and it's fine to use but it isn't knocking me off my campchair. I only use a laptop so can't take advantage of the multi window features. I have found it a lot easier to configure all my shortcuts though.
Nicholas Cook
my touchpad is broken how can i use only the keyboard like the cool hacker kids?
Ian Sanders
Use a Tiling Window Manger.
Nolan Wright
also qutebrowser as your browser
Michael Long
>qutebrowser Too much python for my taste. Couldn't make it work for having so many dependencies.
Anthony Cook
>void >well maintained especially for the amount of people involved in the project >simple to use yet powerful >hipster
rude?! I use void btw.
Charles Campbell
>systemd >not bloat What did she mean by this ?
Kevin Gonzalez
Eurofag hours
Levi Ortiz
>OS arch >DE/WM herbstluftwm >Video/Music player mpd on a remote server with mpv streaming it, and ncmpcpp for controlling it mpv for video >Image viewer feh >File Manager mostly zsh but sometimes ranger >Text Editor vim >Shell zsh >Web Browser firefox >Terminal urxvt
Ian Sanchez
>arch BLOATTTTT
Luis Lee
yeah, fuck off unless you tell me why
Thomas Bell
le newfag detector xd
Noah Hughes
read the thread, read previous threads. Look at this thread. But the dealbreaker for me is the iso image is huge. It's fucking 500mb, can you believe it???
Aaron Bell
i don't boot off the iso image often, sorry
Colton Stewart
Arch has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible. Arch has *never* been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages, etc.
Wyatt Rogers
Doesn't most of that also apply to Void, which is listed in the OP?
Liam Reyes
iso image says a lotAlso all the iso images arent as big as arch.
>Gentoo 200 something mb >void 200 something mb > Debian net iso 350mb
