Why is depression among youth so prevalent nowadays?

Why is depression among youth so prevalent nowadays?

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Doctors giving out free drugs for made up illnesses

Because quacks will agree anything to keep money flowing.

You can get diagnosed with whatever you want as long as it brings the money.

Have you noticed how it's so common these days? Did everyone just somehow get depressed and mentally ill all of a sudden or did the field somehow become way more advanced in the last two decades?

>lack of religon
>too much time to think about things
>it's much easier to get socially isolated nowadays
>high pressure to succeed

>muh bigpharma conspiracy

come on guys, leave that shit to Sup Forums

But why isn't that feasible?

also if you're going to go with the "leave this shit to Sup Forums" thing, this thread doesn't even belong on Sup Forums. What does it have to do with international discussion?

because we're the first generation that is going to be less successful than our parents and this (aside from lack of religion imo)

also i think that it's not socially taboo to talk about depression anymore

i've been depressed since like age 8

Someone made the mistake of taking their complaining/angst seriously.

And also it's very hard to argue it isn't true.

Getting diagnosed is easy as fuck. There's several good documentaries showing how people are way over-medicated and over diagnosed. It's clear as day, I was personally diagnosed and one step away from getting on adderall or ritalin as a pre-teen. That is incredibly dangerous and irresponsible and speaks of a larger problem

Economic and cultural collapse.

i've never gotten pills for anything yet i know im depressed

Overdiagnosis plays a part, but the main reason is the constant financial and social uncertainty that leads to hopelessness.

I'm not disregarding what you say, mind you.
Yes, there are many cases where doctors just give you what you (probably don't) need and then it's all up to you.
But mental illnesses such as depression, insomnia and stuff like that do require medical help. It costs way more for "bigpharma" to crap out new meds than to sell them.
Maybe it's different in the US and Canada but here it's not as easy to undergo medical treatment for mental diseases.

have you tried fixing your depression naturally?

Do you:
- Get regular social interaction?
- Get a healthy amount of sunlight a week?
- Are at a healthy weight for your height?
- Regularly exercise (cardio/sports/lifting)?
- Participate in a team sport or group activity?
- Have healthy and productive hobbies?
- Sleep healthily - go to sleep at night, wake up in the morning when it's bright, at least 7-8 hours of sleep a night?
- Getting all your vitamins?
- Addressed any hormonal issues (high estrogen, low testosterone, et cetera)?

I reckon if you do all of these you'll fix a majority of people's depressions and it doesn't require mind altering drugs.

Middle class kids that will never be able to succeed to parents, any step they make in life will be a huge step down.

Isolation creates depression, most depressed youth spend all day in their room playing video games on their 'rig'.

Poor kids? they'll just become alcoholics, drug addicts or kill themselves. The depressed youth is literally avoiding natural selection.

Because people realize life is a piece of shit and pointless

collapse of capitalism

>But mental illnesses such as depression, insomnia and stuff like that do require medical help

Most is caused by people's bad habits though.

I think there needs to be much effort done to fix these things naturally before dwelling into your brain, and chemicals and prescribing potentially harmful and unknown drugs.

I think doctors need to push the above things ( )
I mentioned much more before resorting to drugs. Right now it's much different, at least in north america, you come in, say you have a problem, really push for it/ see another doctor and you get whatever diagnosis you want, any drugs you want.

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yeah i was a complete normie until i was ~21

trust me i think there's something wrong with my brain, sometimes when i drink (i barely drink) i get dopamine/seratonin releases and it's literally shocking to me cause i go months without feeling that

i refuse to go on pills cause i feel like there is a big chance that will just make things worse. im trapped.

>I think there needs to be much effort done to fix these things naturally before dwelling into your brain, and chemicals and prescribing potentially harmful and unknown drugs.
Absolutely, but I'm not speaking for every man. I'm speaking for people like me who live this shit on daily basis and met several psychiatrists and even neurologists to see what can be fixed and if it can be fixed.

>I'm speaking for people like me who live this shit on daily basis and met several psychiatrists and even neurologists to see what can be fixed and if it can be fixed.

Ok then yes you need more help if you've tried your best to address it otherwise.

But we're discussing why it's so prevalent and I am explaining why and explaining how it's a problem.

True, maybe "depression" is a bit too broad as definition and risks being abused. Many people mistake periods of sadness and isolation as depression.

I just think it's far too diagnosed. And maybe doctors need to be a little bit more cautious prescribing such dangerous drugs and labeling people with a mental illness.

Perhaps it's something Americans will NEVER understand, but religion really did leave a gaping hole in us Europeans.

im not religious and my parents are ''''''''''catholic'''''''''. i am assuming the fact that you don't have a comforting thought of eternal happiness in the afterlife is what you're talking about.

also fuck you for making such a condescending post.

Modern society is isolationist and dismissive by its nature
When atheism became the popular ideology it tore down every social construct relating to religion along with it. Then it offered nothing in its place
Tribalism gone
Faith gone
Hope gone
community gone
Generosity gone
Humility gone
Leadership gone
Why bother with 1000s of years worth of proven beneficial philosophy when you can have a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals that'll give you a meme worthy quote short enough for twitter, for a price of course.
We worship wealth now. Those that worship something unobtainable will never have enough. We build false gods in our image only to wait for their inevitable fall from grace. We fill them with praise, pump them with drugs and fling our hatred at them constantly so that we may revel in their downfall sooner. And by the end of it all we are still envious, we want to take their place, to become a god amongst men, despite knowing what happens. We love the destruction of a human being, we've created a form of social and political disgrace for every aspect of human nature and will jump at the chance to burn the offender. There is no chance for humility, for understanding, for debate, when you fall out of line with the pack it isn't the lions that eat you.
Every single aspect of community and society we now defer to politicians and bureaucrats, since we're more focused on getting the latest consumer tech to soothe our need to escape. We get drenched in horror stories and fear mongered tales so that we become numb to the threat. Troubling enough to cause concern but far enough away to be unable to do anything.
I'd continue but its 5am and I'm probably not expressing my thoughts correctly
tl;dr Shit's fucked and everyone is too busy waiting on no one to fix it

Because life sucks and the internet has only made it easier to realize that.

Everyone know has had experience with therapists and doctors pill are overprescribed and a lot of people could probably get better by doing other things.

Considering how much a doctor I went to tried to push them (and hide the side effects, is that even legal?) I almost want to believe the big pharma conspiracy. However I think it mostly boils down to the fact that depressed people are really a pain in the arse to deal with (and especially since they might go commit suicide whenever), therefore many don't really have that patience to deal with them properly and they look for quickfixes instead.

We know we're going to have it worse than our parents for the vast majority of us.

>Because life sucks and the internet has only made it easier to realize that.

What sucks about life?

Wealth and prosperity

No reason to live unless you're a hedonist.

stop being such a fucking baby you faggot

Why would you intentionally ask me to ruin the facade for you?

Too much freedom and free time.

im being a baby but you blame all your life's problems on being prescribed adderall KEK

the fuck you on about? That was my first post ITT.

This >we're the first generation that is going to be less successful than our parents

This >high pressure to succeed

And this

I'm about to be 26 and feel like my life is already over. I have not accomplished shit, have never once really enjoyed myself. I am pretty much destined to live a pathetic miserable fucking life. I wanted to travel, I wanted to do different types of drugs, get with different types of women, ride motorcycles. Instead I work a dead end job thats killing me body and just post on Sup Forums and youtube. Life sucks.

Good post, Evola. I've been feeling a lot the same way.

>we're the first generation that is going to be less successful than our parents
are you seriously this fucking retarded?

How fucking self-centered and delusional can you possibly be, jesus fucking christ.

Life is what you make of it, and most of us want to make the world a better place than how we left it, but reality tells us that is extremely difficult while making life miserable for people is very easy (hence the uptick in terrorism, spree killers etc.).

We can either pretend that this isn't true and live in blissful ignorance, cease to care and become jaded cunts, or become depressed because we know that our fleeting lives were wasted on a degenerating society that we can only pray will wake up and realize the utter craziness in their destructive behaviors.

>Ireland not Italy

Oops, oh well

That's literally your choice

Start applying to better jobs, lie about your experience. Stop wasting time on Sup Forums and youtube, take control of your life man.

You're the driver not the passenger of your life, I know we're on Sup Forums and all but that's just sad as fuck to hear how you're living.

Lack of a sense of purpose in a fast paced global capitalist society.

>Ask people for their opinion on depression
>Ignore opinions
Why did you even ask then?

At least this generation isn't emo.

>a degenerating society that we can only pray will wake up and realize the utter craziness in their destructive behaviors.

Stop being melodramatic.

The world is the best it's ever been.

Easiest time to earn money, easiest time to start a business, easiest time in history to get a gf/get laid, easiest time in history to learn new things, easiest time in history to have good health thanks to modern medicine, economy is great in the US, safest it's been... ever.

Violent crime has been going down for years despite sensationalist news about mass shootings and terrorist attacks.

I think a lot of it has to do with social iselotation. Compared to before, even today's normies are isolated.

>tfw no gf
Isn't just a meme, but a pretty widespread problem among today's youth. People often look at Japan as a nightmare scenario when it comes to relationships and birthrates, but they fail to realize that is already reality in much of the western world.

at least put some effort into the bait

Nah he's right, at least in my case. My dad is a scientist, I'm a college drop out that only lasted 2 semesters as a business major. I'm not going to be 1/10th as successful as him (nor do i want to, he's a miserable sob)

How did this happened? How made this happened?

I agree, the west is like 10 years behind japan. NEET hikki culture is getting bigger and bigger over here, like always japan is ahead of the curve. What the end game is I don't know.

Being on adderall even as an individual with normal executive functioning will still improve your cognitive ability. There's literally no downsides to taking ADHD drugs unless you're a drug addict who crushes them up and injects them.

Ever noticed that it's usually 'naturopathic' doctors or somebody with a vested interest in convincing you that you should pursue 'natural' treatments who tell you that evil big pharma drugs are destroying childrens' minds?

How is it bait?

it's completely true.

Earning money - you have access to the world market more than ever before.

Starting a business - Back in the day you needed $100k+ to open a brick and mortar business. You can now open an internet business as many have and make money from your home.

Easiest time in history to get a gf/get laid - Every Sup Forums autists says women are "hypersexual and sluts", the average male is overweight and looks awful(in Sup Forums lingo, a "nu-male". Standing out is easy in comparison.

Easiest time to learn new things - The internet, the age of information. Speaks for itself.

Easiest time to have good health - most progression in medicine thus far.

Economy is great in the US - markets at all time highs, high salaries, lots of opportunities.

Safest it's been in ever - Violent crime has been going down for many years.

Is that enough? i explained each point

Giving a child in his developmental years essentially ampethamine salts is somewhat dangerous.

adderall has quite a few long-term negative effects as well. You also become dependent on it. In general, giving strong drugs to ANYONE In their developmental years should be strongly avoided, let alone given out like candy.

>Easiest time in history to get a gf/get laid

Yeah if you're chad tier. Also maybe its where I live but every guy in his 20s that is trying to get laid is in extremely good shape, knows how to dress, has perfect hair etc. The competition is fierce. To stand out you have to be ultra chad tier.

could be that we where sheltered way too much, I remember hearing about back in the 30s kids walked the streets in their own, A few years ago I found out in that a kid taking the train on his own was newsworthy.

Perhaps that could be the cause in the rise of NEET dom.

>at least in my case
How the fuck can you go from "in my case" to "we're the first generation that is going to be less successful than our parents"? How does one even make such a logical jump? Are you clinically retarded?

>college dropout
Scratch that, you most certainly are clinically retarded.

Here's some food for thought: between 1871 and 1914, there were no major European wars, and there was continued progress in science, industrialisation, medicine, workers' rights, etc. during this period. Now consider that, exactly 100 years ago, the summer of 1916 was ending, a summer in which there was the Battle of Verdun, the Battle of the Somme and the Brusilov Offensive all going on at the same time. Over a million fucking men died during that summer, a truckload of them younger than you and I. Now tell me: do you REALLY think the generation of people that died in the trenches had it better than the generation prior to them which never experienced any major war?

>Yeah if you're chad tier

Dude 70% of adult US population is overweight.

70%... More than that look skinnyfat as hell. Even going to the gym regularly and taking care into how you look puts you into top 20%. It's easy if you put the effort in.

>Violent crime has been going down for years despite sensationalist news about mass shootings and terrorist attacks.
Yeah I know

Honestly, I think a lot of cases of depression are due to overexposure to 24/7 news media that overwhelms people to the point of disillusionment. It's quite sad to say, but ignorance really is bliss when it comes to our knowledge of what goes on in our daily lives.

At least in the US, they go on for days about the latest shooting/terrorist attack and it wears on you to the point that it's sometimes all you can think about, even though you KNOW it's statistically about as likely as getting hit by falling tree branch.

Still, I stand by what I said about our ability to make things better/worse for others. People donate millions upon millions of dollars to build schools in African or the Middle Easy that will just be burned down by your friendly neighborhood insurgent the next day. The fact that people are STILL experiencing immense suffering in our supposed continuously progressing society is quite distressing imo.

I only have theories but
>sexual revolution undermined relationships
>feminism (while I am not shitting on the entire idea of pre-3rd wave) changed a lot of things in relationship dynamics
>it became easier to be passive with books, internet, tv
>more uncertain future for youth compared to a generation ago
>romanticism is becoming more and more of a superstition
>contraceptives allow for people to go full slut mode (couldn't do that before since knowing who the father was could mean life or death)

What if you go to the gym regularly but are still fat because you eat too much?

It's harder to get a job and then you start feeling useless.

Because you have everything that you could ever need to live without working for it.

Saying that someone is 'dependent' on adderall because they take it regularly is kind of a moot point. They're no more 'dependent' than someone who drinks a lot of coffee every day. They can stop without any major issues other than feeling slightly blue or sluggish for a few days. In therapeutic dosages, long term effects are negligible, even in young children.

They have been linked to slightly slowed growth in children, but that's likely due to it curbing appetite.

Yes on paper this generation seems like the best place in history to live in, and if you can manage to hold a sane mind it probably is. But compared to recent generations in the west, this one is still terrible for many. We might have it better, but it doesn't feel that way.

Those are really good, got anymore?

Going to the gym regularly implies actually having a good diet

It's not hard.

Download myfitnesspal on your phone, track your macros and calories.

Above 15% bodyfat? Cut.

Below 15% bodyfat, bulk.

Going to the gym regularly and maintaining 15% of lower bodyfat already puts you pretty high in terms of looks on the social ladder.

Most of that 70% are old people, women, married men. Go to any bar or club filled with guys in their 20's trying to get laid, every one of them is jacked. Gym culture is huge now. My gym is filled with bros in tank tops that are all ripped. Having a good body does not make you stand out at all.

I like you, and you have a point.

I have to agree, but the final reply with "too much freedom and free time" I have to argue. A good amount of people have little of that. I think another factor is a lack of social peer to peer interactions .There is not enough time or motivation to be given towards social in person interactions. Which I think is a mix of other factors as well, a LOT of other factors.

I think we're in a transitional state into evolving or devolving socially, mentally and as a society into something new/different.

Then the problem is one of perception (for example people being too sheltered), or of something else entirely (such as religiosity), not one of socioeconomic conditions.

But I wanna lift big weights and then eat like a pig to fill the unhappy hole in my soul.

Living standards have supposedly improved so much that having a shit life is now considered an illness.

Oh come on.

Go outside into a crowded area. I can count on two hands people with good physiques.

Even at my gym most people don't look good, and the fact that they're even at the gym and regularly lifting is like top 10% of the population.

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We're fed info 24/7 about things that will kill us, politicians that will Jew us, stagnation of the economy and the painfully slow 'coming collapse'.

We're being mentally eroded with info that in the past would take decades to acquire. We're becoming jaded in our early 20's where it took until you were middle aged in the past.

Lack of religion (hopeless) or believing too much in reality that once it failed, really crushed oneself (death, friendzoned, failed exam, poor, sickness).
Failed of reality, they choose drugs to make them "happy" again and drugs will be consume more to overcome the immunity over the time, overexert the organs.
Kys
Lack of religion (hopeless) of overachiever, world is mine, I can do whatever I can, jealousy, collector of materials. They are destroyed by fake friends, jealousy from others (tier or underachiever), backstabber, enemies, easily manipulated, robbers, peer pressure, extremely high expectation. Failed of reality, they choose drugs to make them "happy" again and drugs will be consume more to overcome the immunity over the time, overexert the organs.
Kys

Stop living in Barrie you twat. In any city with a lot of young people everyone goes to the gym.

If you want to eat big then hop on tren, you'll eat big and gain muscle while losing fat

This.

Turn off the news, turn off Sup Forums. Surround yourself with positive people, positive thoughts. Your mood will be sky high. Stop listening to depressing shit

because my country is depressing

Yeah and they do brosplits or some retarded shit like being curlbros

Most people quit the gym within a year anyway. it's a moot point.

Touch can leave a scar. Better be avoidant.

>tfw haven't quit the gym after a year but don't go enough to make significant gains due to alcoholism
Oh well they kinda balance each other out

We need to go back to our hunter gatherer days. Modern society is wrong

Because 2d isn't real

>TFW straight edge master race

I don't know your feel, senpai :]

>Straight edge
I'm not the guy you responded too but I couldn't imagine living such a fucking boring life. I also legitimately don't trust people that don't drink or do drugs.

>Boys are indoctrinated from a young age to think that masculinity is bad and that they should feel bad for every natural whim or inclination they have. Effectively treating them like defective girls. Additionally, the feminist movement has systematically destroyed any hope that those men might have later in life of any issues affecting them really being taken seriously by society as a whole.
>Girls are indoctrinated from a young age to believe that marriage and motherhood are extremely important and a gague for their success in life. Meanwhile, society simultaneously raises them to be second rate wives and mothers, while telling them that they're beautiful, intelligent and empowered. Which just adds to their confusion when things inevitably fuck up.
>Their parents are a product of a different generation and their head is still stuck in the time in which they came of age. Many parents can't really wrap their head around the concept that their kids are growing up in a world that's psychologically very different from when they grew up. So when a kid turns out different to how they expect they're fairly dismissive of it all. So you'll get limited support from them at best.
>Biological urges, combined with social conditioning are all coming together to tell people that they're supposed to be forming fulfilling relationships and healthy families, but many fail to do so.
And that's only scratching the surface. Honestly I'm not surprised that there's so many depressed people out there these days.

Do you want them for any particular reason, or are you just curious? Anyway the biggest reason behind it (and the cause of many of my previous reasons) is the rise of individualism. If you go around town asking people what they think about individualism, everyone (except for maybe a few commies) would probably answer that it's great, and that's shows exactly how deeply rooted it has become.

Today we only look out for what we think is our own best, instead of others, your church, village, our other community. Previously we had to constantly interact with our community just to survive, and that is how humans evolved.

Nowadays, community is indirectly a bad word. People are supposed to be independent, asking for help is a sign of weakness (or greed) and that's why only the weak and greedy does it these days, caring about ones community and the greater good sounds like communism, fascism, or religious fanaticism to many.

Because we don't depend on each other (or at least think we don't) we fail to form meaningful bonds and our bodies respond to social isolation by telling us something is wrong by making us depressed. Because we evolved to look for community and the reason our brains are so well developed is so they can handle social relationship. Of course the brain is going to think something is wrong when the parts of it that are responsible for your social life aren't being stimulated.

This all sounds good in my head, but I am tired and am having real troubles writing something coherent. I hope though that I was able to give you some kind of view on it. There are probably a whole lot of writers who have written about the rise of individualism.

It's not that boring man

I do everything else people do I just don't use drugs or drink because of health reasons and I just plain never enjoyed it.

Damn, this is true, moreover life today isn't as flexible as decades ago

That's hard though because the news is everywhere nowadays, and it's constant. It's a trade-off from having a more accessible society where you can talk to people from around the world in an instant.

I honestly can't think of a way to filter out the depressing shit that doesn't include going nearly full hermit nowadays.

>Has anyone in here had any actual traumatic experience?
>what happened?
>did it affect you in the long run?

I was sexually assaulted by a man back when I was 17, I had some rough time dealing with anxiety episodes (thinking people staring at me knew about it). But now after 2 years not telling anyone irl I feel better and I can't think of any long term symptoms.

I think this manifest does a pretty good job of describing what is wrong with current society. It's pretty short, easy to find, and since you're already on this website you will probably find yourself agreeing to a lot of it.

Here's the pdf (pls don't ban hiroshimoot). It's divided into short sections on each issue, just go to the ones you feel are relevant if you can't be arsed to read the entire thing.

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it's not hard

I've done it for a long time and only started using Sup Forums again(unfortunately).

Basically I:
>dont Watch the news
>dont Read the news (only financial news I read)
>I cut off all negative people in my life
>I limit all interaction with negative minded people
>If someone complains more than twice about anything without giving a solution I cut them off and end communication as soon as possible
>I only do things and talk to people who better me as a person(besides Sup Forums, I know:[ )

It's that easy.

Do it, love it, live it

Personally for me, I feel like what's the damn point of living, is it to work, screw, learn, have children, live and go down the same damn road that's been taken generation after generation, get a job/career (now you can't even support yourself well, let alone a fucking family, and who want's to raise their children when you can't buy them basic things, or items to help them compete in the real world like a damn computer or phone, or make them feel loved where their parents can provide for them), get married, have kids, work till you either have enough (good luck) or too old to work.

Even then, it feels like what's the fucking point, what is the GODDAMN point of all of THIS. Why do I want to work at a company or job that I could potentially spend the rest of my life grinding at, working for some rich 1% fuckers as you look around at all the other people suffering silently around you.

I feel like if your not born from wealth, a decent family or even handsome your fucked, which I know isn't true, but goddamn if that's what I see.

I feel like, I can be replaced, that I am just another rusty wheel in the cog, that my life literally does not matter, either to society, my job/employer (other than a lawsuit waiting to happen), my family (I guess not), or to the whole of humanity, that I am nothing but a work mule to continue working till I am old and useless.

It just feels like what's the damn point, it makes me feel like shit cus' there are chinks in China who work and die like ants, yet I am here not accepting my role and I have it "decent" off compared to the rest of the world. But it comes back to, what is the DAMN point, just why.

I don't think that's an option for me, a lot of the things I have going depend on whether or not I stay updated on current events.

But you do have a point on filtering out negativity. A good place to start is probably to look at the websites you frequent and see if they do more harm than good.

Chances are if you come here you can't be too picky about who you hang out with, but if you are a normie and can replace company then I'd say you also have a good point on finding the right people to be around.

I completely agree with you, that's why a lot of men say fuck it and become homeless heroin addicts. Why live a pathetic life? Why work hard just to be some miserable office rat?

>but if you are a normie and can replace company then I'd say you also have a good point on finding the right people to be around

It's all about how you value yourself.

if you value yourself and your time, you hold yourself to a higher standard and you don't allow yourself to waste time on bullshit. I know I'm posting this on Sup Forums but it's honestly my only vice and I don't spend so much time either

>working for some rich 1% fuckers

BECOME the rich 1% fucker. Stop thinking small.