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Nothing better than ketchup on an Angus t-bone steak

it's only better at really low bitrates and for voice chat, once you get to anything listenable for music they're all about the same

bugs me when people say "ogg" instead of vorbis

I've recently taken up saying Ogg+Vorbis

Normal people call it Ogg Vorbis, the container plus the format.

.ogv
.oga

Stop arguing

I redownloaded my music in flac just to transform it into opus, then delete the flacs again

lel i did the same shit when i was short on storage with only a couple of 120gb SSDs.

I'm pissed people need to rename .opus files to .opus.ogg or .ogg

I use it to compress my flac files for my phone. It's annoying that I have name them .ogg for android to detect them but whatever.

use VLC, it has everything - even variable playback speed

I used to before I found out about the trick of renaming opus files to .ogg. The problem is vlc is slow as shit at loading a big playlist and gets very crashing when scrolling through said playlist.

I noticed this as well with the latest VLC, but I see absolutely zero reason to ever update 2.0.6. It has everything in terms of features and is super quick, at least for me.
I think it's still up in F-Droid, definitely worth a try, in case anybody cares.

Is it .ogg or .opus?

.opus

Usually you use .opus but on android you have to name it .ogg or else it won't be recognized.

I just use foobar and it werks for me without any file extension renaming.

>using a proprietary music player

1.3 when

It's a fucking phone. It's a nonfree platform by design.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't use as much free stuff as you can on it.

Normal people just call it Vorbis. The container can be inferred from context.

As of Nougat, Android can detect .opus files.

flac/opus is what I use 100% of the time now. Of course I still have a large collection of mp3 (320CBR mostly). Of the open directories that I frequent it is 95% mp3 4% flac 1% aac

>not using lossy uncompressed formats

unless apple supports it in hardware. its dead.

look what happened to flac ! same thing will happen to opus

might get iOS support in 5 years and by then it will be too late...

doesnt bother me too much i am already on the 24bit train... (24/48 on iphone is comfy)

although i would like to try and fit a silly amount of my music library transcoded to opus 96kbps on a + 256gb micro sd card for shits and giggles... having all my music randomly shuffled on ipod 5th gen was super comfy

Why .opus extension? Container > codec, look at video formats for example.

mp3. the human ear cant hear the difference.

thx for this

there simply is no alternative to it when it comes to streaming at low bitrates, no matter how hard Apple hates it. Only AAC-HEv2 comes close, but only in terms of sound quality, not in terms of latency

opus is ridiculous

The thing is that opus can achieve mp3 quality at smaller sizes.

No. Thing is it's pretty god damn transparent at under 100kbps. It sounds like modern 192kbps AAC at less than than half the size. Opus is pretty darn amazing.

Some of the hires flac players for iOS should man up and support it. Last I checked only iOS player for opus was VLC and I'm not into rockboximg my shit sounding iPods

I finally have upgraded my library to hi res and lossless, it's a great time to do a big opus encode and see how many songs I can fit in X device

But as I said before the same thing that happened to flac will happen to opus. Music companies don't release in the format, does t get any industry support, only pirates and geeks use said format. While technically superior won't face mainsteam adoption

Face facts it's amazing miracle we got AAC on iPod only because Jobs was an audiophile

But as

did someone has a grahic like that but with CPU usage ?

No way man. There was a slashdot article on the most recent release (I forget 2.xx something)

Anyhows new opus is actually doing fullband stereo music at 64kbps per second better than ancient MP3 at hurr durr 320. Amazing. I listened to the demo page with dire straits on my high end system with time aligned digital crossovers and ribbon tweeters. I was pretty damn impressed.

rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison#Sansa_Clip_43_40ARM9E_41
there's some data here, but i give up figuring out how to make a chart of it

wait, i figured it out
didn't put them all on there

obviously, lower is better for decode time. less decode time = less time the cpu needs to be awake to fill the buffer which means lower battery usage

Interesting find user. From the looks of it that data is more aimed at comparing the performance of hardware chipsets rockbox runs on rather than the codecs themselves. We have come along way and people have done a lot unsung work.

Opus is the leader. Wish it was baked into silicon some more. I have my 24bit player for crucial listening but it would be good to have a modern opus player / rockbox build that sounded really good just for carrying my library squeezed to the latest 64kbps spec from a fresh encode from flac.

I just dug my iPod touch 1st gen 16gb out and it would be perfect for a pure rockbox OS / music player as it doesn't sound nearly as shitty as my iPod video 5g... Man that thing sounds awful. Unlistenable in 2017 IMHO, but I don't want to mod it.. It's a time capsule with some very special playlists I made 10 years ago :)

Quite surprised that musepack is the lowest. My DAP has a seizure every time it tries to play musepack files.

it's possible everything else you're using is decoded in hardware, and your devices' cpu itself is very slow

only autists use anything but aac for lossy encoding

AAC is used exclusively by turbocucks.

here's the lossless ones too, since i copied those over, so i might as well
naturally, bitrate is not applicable

Well I am turbo autist mate because I have 3tb of 24bit and DSD (inb4 meme)

Opus 1.2 just got really good here have a listen

people.xiph.org/~jm/opus/opus-1.2/

Now I am really interested in using an old iPod touch to squeeze a big decent sounding library I can shuffle ( I miss shuffling)

Anyone know an opus player for a JB iPod touch on iOS 3 ????

opus is perfectly transparent down at 48kbps, if the source material is mastered good enough

Well played user

You lying bitch

opus is literally two codecs stitched together

is this great thread archived yet ?

looking for an opus player for iOS3 (1st gen touch)

if this is not possible fuck applel and everyone to be honest... its the only sane use for that harware....

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Does not sound as natural as ogg at very low bitrates

whaaat ? the codec has been updated a bit since you listened to it last

i will have to agree containers are a mindfuck though,,, mostly why normies stuck to mp3 instead of .aac .mp4 .m4a etc,,,

desu, anything below 96kbps should only be used for vocal-heavy stuff like podcasts and audiobooks

Musepack is quite simple, it's the most battery efficient codec in Rockbox

Not really. You can get v0-tier quality on opus at about half the file size.

When I tested it, there was a very "harsh" quality at low bitrates. More detailed, perhaps, but not as pleasant.
Did I do something wrong, or is Vorbis the go-to free audio format?

I prefer FLAC

>WMA
WTF I hate Vorbis now.

Works fine on my phone. Redmi Note 4X w/ LineageOS 14.1.

iOS already supports Opus you brainlet.

>.aac
jokes on you, iTunes, the AAC shill, doesn't even support that. You need to remux it into a .m4a

I felt so memed the first time I noticed that.

>remux
or just rename the extension since it's the same container

I tried that and it didn't work

> iOS already supports Opus you brainlet.

not for me... opus support just came in iOS11 and im not sure its even in the music app... it seems its only though the podcast app and you need to make sure its in some bullshit .caf format

hetzel.net/2017-06-12/ios-11-opus-support-in-podcast-feeds/

also no opus for you if you have a jailbreak !

t. JB iphone 6s on 9.2

It pretty much saved xiph from irrelevance (if you don't count FLAC), but they had to squeeze two audio codecs into one to achieve all the things it's capable of.

I still prefer Vorbis, in any case. Fuck that forced resampling shit.

> Fuck that forced resampling shit.

please elaborate...

also ill ask again... any opus players for an old ipod touch ?????

Me no give shit about lossy, me use FLAC

you dont get it pal. I use flac, 90% of music on my phone is 24/48.

what i want though is to transcode my whole library and squeeze it on to another device

you can care about lossless and lossy sound quality at the same time. The two are not exclusive.

So this thread has really got me wanting to a 64kbps opus encode of my library

Thing is i have been on a Hi-res bing the last couple of years... picture related is my Hi-res PCM and DSD split across 2 drives...

16 bit flac to opus is one thing, but 32bit 192khz to 16bit lossy means a whole lot of dithering and resampling just to get to where opus can encode it...

currently im near 2tb.... doing some back of the envelope power calculations and yep...

THIS MUSIC ENCODE IS GOING TO SHOW UP MY ELECTRICITY BILL....

Agree that opus 1.2 is awesome.
I am listening to audiobooks at 12kbps and
it sound fucking great.

>THIS MUSIC ENCODE IS GOING TO SHOW UP MY ELECTRICITY BILL....
uh, why wouldn't it?

I honestly can't believe I come up dry but on iOS VLC sucks as a music player. The only other opus player I found after a lot of searching is "Capriccio" and the non ad version is $1. It's not too bad but I'm going to have to do some encodes to test it. Problem is requires IOS 8 or later which means still no opus support for early Apple touch devices.

Honestly my iPod touch 1st gen 16gb is just sitting around. Dumping a 64kbs opus 1.2 library on it would actually make it useful to me again. I can't belive rockbox or even just some shitty opus player app .ipa hasn't been ported to iOS 3.1.3 ... I might have to do this myself ! I have seen opus source code build instructions for iOS but that's getting frankly over my head. Anyone want to help me ?

I just got a DAP with some decent storage, is it worth retranscoding to replace my 96kbps opus songs with 128kbps ones?

Probably not the big full and music improvements in opus 1.2 were in the 32-64kbps range...

wouldnt it be better to do 256 opus?

so opus 64kbps is better than opus 256kbs?

no opus version 1.2 @ 64 - 96kbps is better than mp3 320 and roughly equivalent to AAC 160kbps

its pretty impressive

>wouldnt it be better to do 256 opus?

No. In the year of our lord 2015 + 2 either go 16/24bit flac or a massive library library of 64kbps opus from previously mentioned flac library... that is the wisdom of Sup Forums speaking...

also i want a opus player .ipa for iOS 3 for old applel touch hardware anyone want to help ?

also id love to optimise opus for hires downsample encodes....

this shit makes me moist but people at xiph are fucktards TBPH

>Apple
found your problem

I wouldn't go for 256 KBit/s Opus but 256 KBit/s MP3 instead. Opus is epic, but mainly for using it below 100 KBit/s

That's just my personal opinion though

>that feel when first started using Opus 144kbps, then 128kbps and now thinking of going 96 or even 64kbps
feels bad having half of the stuff in version 1.1 and different bitrates. Really annoys my autism

>feels bad having half of the stuff in version 1.1 and different bitrates. Really annoys my autism
so make new ones from your flac archive

Just because you prefer something doesn't mean others have to.

>people say 96 is transparent a while ago
>have doubts
>encode something
>it sounds fine
This shit blew my mind with whatever release they had at the time, if the new one can do the same with 64 that's real impressive.

this is obviously shill/bait but.. what exactly happened to flac?
it became the most popular lossless format?

From the Opus FAQ:
>The quality degradation caused by any reasonable resampler (SoX, libspeexdsp, libsamplerate, ...) is far less than the distortion caused by the best lossy codec at its highest bitrate. If you can't tolerate the quality degradation caused by a good 44.1 to 48 kHz resampler, then you shouldn't be using a lossy codec in the first place.

Vorbis was and still is pretty popular in the video game scene.

quite a lot of things use vorbis (such as games) and speex/celt (such as some voip software)
if anything, flac is probably used the least as far as commercial usage goes, unless you count media players