Why does Sup Forums think Raspberry Pi's and Arduino's are for babbys?

Why does Sup Forums think Raspberry Pi's and Arduino's are for babbys?

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because they can't run mature games like crysis

If you can't play the latest cowadooty or some shitty "mature" action rpg, then it sucks. Sup Forums is just Sup Forums's tech support

tip: protip: Don't use Sup Forums

They're toys. Sup Forums is chock full of boys exactly the right age to be ashamed of liking toys. They'll grow out of it.

other than goofing around and maybe putting a mailserver its too dogshit to do anything.
And I don't even mean muh CPU and muh memory. People did great things with far less.
But is USB and ethernet NOT sharing the same controller and therefore limiting each other's throughout so much to ask? If it was at least consistent in what it could do you could use one for a server in extreme cases.

>Don't use Sup Forums
It isn't all bad. Sup Forums is still a fine place to talk about comics and cartoons.

Because they are easy to get into. It's mostly copy and paste, you don't have to learn anything.
You're paying more for the ecosystem when you could pay less for equivalent and learn something instead.

such as??

Because Sup Forums is full of low IQ mouth-breathers that lack the intelligence to use and understand them.

Can't get that many hard drives on them. I'd rather get a mini itx with an atom and have way less bottle necking since it wouldnt share the same fucking controller over loads of different things and I'd also be able to have way more storage.

>t. what to do with GPIO header??? durrr rasberi pi iz server pc

The best thing about the Raspberry Pi is the fact that it's a Linux computer with a good pinout. Same almost goes for the Arduino, which is unfortunately just overpriced as fuck when you can just get straight ATmel microcontrollers that aren't attached to a PCB with extra pins.

It's almost like Sup Forums doesn't understand the point of a SBC, almost like they're gentoo elitist shitposters who know nothing about computers. Almost like they're not electrical engineers or people just interested in electronics.

Here's a challenge, philistines, show me a voltage divider for a circuit that is supplying 5v to something that has a max VCC of 3.3v. If you can't get this basic shit right, then go back to Sup Forums.

Here's a challenge, philistines, show me an Algorithm W implementation for a basic Hindley–Milner type system. If you can't get this basic shit right, then go back to Sup Forums.

>github.com/wh5a/Algorithm-W-Step-By-Step/blob/master/AlgorithmW.lhs
copy and paste thanks github and google and haskell

download and post thanks hackaday and google

>But is USB and ethernet NOT sharing the same controller and therefore limiting each other's throughout so much to ask?
Fucking, this!

And Mongolian Basket Weaving Technique!

The most "eletronics" people like around here is saying that my CPU is better than yours, even tough I've no idea what's happening there.

I could accomplish the same with an old smart phone.

Want an explanation or my own use of it? I've did an example of Hindley-Milner type inference 6 years ago in my last semester of Uni, it was implemented in Python.

>3.3v logic out

Try again. I never stated that it has a vout of 3.3v. Only requires a vin of 3.3v. Sweet circuit, by the way.

And their benchmark for it is FPS in gayman.

it takes actual effort to use them effectively which is why the average Sup Forumstard gets autistic about them
bit over two weeks ago i was in Houston putting a payload on a WB57
was testing effects of high altitude (60,000'+) radiation against cells
used a raspberry pi as a data storage for a radiation monitor we had on board
in the same payload i was using arduino to control heating pads to maintain temperatures of cell vials
the amount you 'can' do with them is huge if you actually have the mind to, just gotta be willing to do a little effort and get creative

There are tens of cheaper SBCs that have as many or more GPIO. Same with Arduino.

Did you even read my post or did you include it in your rush to defend the Pi?

The fact it is logic out on that circuit means nothing. It still takes 5v and spits 3.3v to the middle of the divider.

I just you don't know anything either.

>Sup Forums isn't a bunch of overly picky constantly asshurt SJWs

Yeah no

sounds like bullshit to me

They have their use, retropie BABY! RELIVING MY FUCKIN CHILDHOOD! SNES C64 GAMES!

Real men use 8 bit micros

youtube.com/watch?v=iHFm-kVTXW8

My 52 year old father asked for one of those "Game cubes" for Christmas. He meant the emulation computer I built with a Raspberry Pi. He really loved NES, Sega Genesis, and SNES, games. So I built him an Rpi box with a good controller.

>My 52 year old father asked for one of those "Game cubes" for Christmas.
:]

they're targeted at babbys

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
>The Raspberry Pi is a series of small single-board computers developed in the United Kingdom by the Raspberry Pi Foundation to promote the teaching of basic computer science in schools and in developing countries.

arduino.cc/en/Guide/Introduction
>Arduino was born at the Ivrea Interaction Design Institute as an easy tool for fast prototyping, aimed at students without a background in electronics and programming.

>requires proprietary firmware

Which ones also run Linux? Did you read that part where I specifically mentioned Linux being able to run on it? Did you factor that in your head? Don't bother saying Orange Pi or some Chinese botnet shit with actual non-Sup Forums backdoors and vulnerabilities.

I know that, dumbass, 3.3v in and 3.3v out for that specific pic. I'm being pedantic because it's not technically what I asked for, as there's no requirement for it to have a vout of 3.3v.

Maybe you chucklefucks should fall for the f.lux meme since you can't read.

>posting from an ISP that uses proprietary equipment

This equipment has nothing to do with me. It's not my property, so it running proprietary software doesn't take freedom away from me.

A potentiometer, a volt meter, and a steady hand. Where is my prize.

>Which ones also run Linux?
Like, all of the SBCs. And if there isn't a ready built for one then make a build yourself.

You aren't being pedantic, you're being obtuse. You asked for a circuit that would take a 5v supply and deliver a max of 3.3v to VCC of something. That's exactly what that circuit does it just doesn't use the term VCC so you are confused.

Basically you're a raspberry/arduino baby who doesn't know shit.

one of two boxes on the payload, you can see one of the arduinos in the top box, bottom right section and the second arduino right below the blue box mounted sideways
though now that you see it isn't bullshit i'm sure there's something else you'll autistically babble on about
though i doubt you'd be able to make an arduino keep exactly 30C in a -55.8C environment using silicone heating pads and some thermocouples

though if i guess i'm gonna let my pettiness get the best of me, here's some of the raw data, featuring temperature data (top left) taken from a probe with data logged onto a rasbpi and then in the bottom left the raw data from the radiation monitor circled in red collected and stored on the rasbpi with some pics of the payload loaded up with the murine cells

You're an outlier.
It's not like you needed Arduino or RPi, you just used them because they are pretty much prepared and in a suitable form factor for what you were doing.

Noice

they were the best, easiest, and cheapest tool for the job

Kek

Yea, in my mid 40s, have retropie going on a pi3, it's fun. I mostly play c64 and snes games. Downloaded a bunch of arcade roms too from back in the day. Did you get him a good controller at least? I like the Buffalo SNES knockoff controller.

Thanks! project went smooth and I was glad NASA let me use some space in one of their planes for awhile :^)

>potentiometer

Real waste if you're dealing with digital instead of analog.

>Like, all of the SBCs.

Epic argument, just ebin. I'll try again. CAN YOU LIST SOME? Also, make your own? That would cost even more, moron.

>That's exactly what that circuit does it just doesn't use the term VCC so you are confused.

No it doesn't. It does not explicitly say on the picture that a VCC of 3.3v is received, it just says 3.3v logic (vout) comes out. That is actually false in the first place:

[vout = 5 * (3300 / (2200 + 3300)) = 3.0]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_divider

Meaning vout is actually 3.0v, not 3.3v. 2k2 is 2200 ohms and 3k3 is 3300 ohms.

Also, it's not a circuit you retard. Circuits are loops. This is called being pedantic, not obtuse. That drawing is not a loop, stop calling it a circuit.

Arduino is overpriced because they're the ones who maintain the IDE, which costs, the clones are just as reliable but there's no supporting the IDE creators.

Raspberry Pi has a SBC (near) monopoly because Broadcom and the RPi Foundation are sucking each other off exclusively. Broadcom also makes decent shit, sadly.

I work on embedded systems and microcontrollers for a living, you dumb Sup Forumsay nigger.

is this the famed 'btfo' i hear about?

Sup Forums refugee detected!

>Engineer autists

Yes, I didn't even post the circuit but he is so convinced he is right that he is raging.
He even specified a MAX of 3.3v in his original post and then took issue with the 3.0v actual output of the circuit, not even taking into account the tolerances of the resistors.

The guy is an absolute clown.

>I didn't even post the circuit
then why did you support the argument? fyi he actually is right according to the wiki page.

arduino is a surface level understanding of how electronics works, and they don't encourage people to further their understanding
raspberry pi's were never really about designing hardware, they just left the GPIO open because it was available
they were designed to provide a low-cost solution for computers to aid in bringing cheap 3rd-world labor into dropping the costs of software development at the expense of massive amounts of bloated, buggy software

Arduinos are great programmable microcircuits. If you want to control a rack of automated plant watering systems, or something like that, arduinos are great. Just a nice simple interface between sensors and electronic signal.

With Pis you get an entire operating system, networking stacks, storage, video output, audio, USB stacks, and so on. It can run millions of lines of code rather than just thousands. Useful for device drivers and such. Good for a low power- always on device that goes for persistence. For example, a Pi setup in a household that is hooked up to the heating system, so you can SSH into your Pi and control/monitor your heating.

People buy them like they're special, but they're basically just small computers. Like, people will "use one up" for some small project when it's an entire computer and that's kind of wasteful. That's kind of my outlook on it anyway. I had a roommate who used to say "I don't see the point of a raspberry pi, I don't have anything to use it for right now". He said something similar about GNU/Linux, which was weird. You don't "need a use" for a computer or an operating system really. You can find dozens of uses for them.

>Oh shit, he's right and I'm wrong
>Better claim he's mad!

Every. Time.

>then took issue with the 3.0v actual output of the circuit

Maybe because you claimed it was 3.3v () when in fact that was and is false. I had the calculate vout, the circuit did not. I asked for (You) to do it, not me; thus the challenge.

Doesn't matter if you posted the """""circuit""""" or not, like the other user said, you still supported the argument.

Also, the tolerance of the resistors means nothing and is negligible, the resistance is the major part (obviously). Assume gold or silver band tolerance always, not Chinese shit. You are so desperate that this is priceless.

At the very least you could admit that it isn't a circuit, but no. Pathetic. /diy/ > Sup Forums.

If everything you're touching and interfacing with directly is free, you're doing a lot of good as far as protecting yourself. Bait or not, I hope you personally don't get hung up over what you're saying to him. Every little bit does help. You should run a free OS even if you're not running coreboot or libreboot. It's probably worth running coreboot+me_cleaner even if your hardware doesn't have libreboot support. These little things will make a difference.

I had a brief look at Arduino. Every sample code given is in C++ using some horrible IDE and set of libraries. It feels count intuitive to trying to write good code.

They both have some pretty nice applications but the applications that are hyped are just retarded. I mean you could run a little server on a pi, but they hype minecraft on pi. Also arduino's are just a good and fun way to get into microcontrollers

Should probably just get something like a pic or burn a different bootloader on that arduino

Arduinos are more for the whole 'if sensor is in range x, send a signal out on pin y'

That's because it's aimed at kids. They're moving away from that now due to how popular the shit as gotten.

This desu. Arduinos aren't for full out industrial development. They're for dumb little projects.

It is a circuit, it has a positive rail and a negative rail, there's your loop.

So the output voltage is 3 instead of the 3.3v, you specified a max of 3.3 so it isn't violating your requirements. Even better I could be pedantic and say that you didn't even specify that the 3.3v was to go to the VCC, just that it was being supplied to a device that is running at a maximum of 3.3v, which makes the 3v result comfortable.

>list some that you can install linux on
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers#Operating_system
>make your own? that would cost even more
Making your own Linux image doesn't cost money, friend.

>It is a circuit, it has a positive rail and a negative rail, there's your loop.

That's not a circuit. It's not closed. An open circuit is an oxymoron; hence the semantics. You can have an open-loop system as a part of a (true) circuit, but it must not be the circuit itself, as that would not be a full loop a la circuit. What is so hard to understand about this? Use Google, nigger.

>you specified a max of 3.3 so it isn't violating your requirements

That's not the reason or the point at all, my requirements were for the person to show how a voltage divider works with a max 3.3v VCC, I, me, ended up showing 3.0v. The image did not show it, it merely stated 3.3v as vout and that itself is incorrect, it proved nothing. Woah, reading2hard.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers#Operating_system

I SPECIFICALLY said not to list shit like the Orange Pi and a ton of other Chinese clones. The only worthwhile things on there are the Beaglebone and the ODROID.

Everything else is either specialized for one purpose, riddled with vulnerabilities in the forked/partial/outdated kernel, or straight garbage with trash support. These reasons are shared with a lot of them.

>Making your own Linux image doesn't cost money, friend.

The distro or the OS wasn't the topic, the SBC was.

Go ahead and make your own SBC from scratch with something like an ATmega328 running e.g. Debian, I'll wait forever until you learn how a computer actually works.

It's not an open circuit, there's a positive and negative rail.

Why can't you get this through your head?

Careful with those goal posts.

-raspis are babbys first ARM mini pc. Doesn't work without nonfree software and almost every other ARM board has better hardware but babies keep using it because MUH COMMUNITY.
-Arudinos are literally "AVR for the mentally challenged". Buy an AVR with a REAL AVR dev board and program it in plain avr-libc or assembly, not
how this user mentioned.

Cute definition, user. Could you tell me where you got it from first though?

Careful with those claims, or you might have to actually backup where the shifting of goalposts happened instead of just shitposting.

Just go do to DYI and wait, you'll get better answers for real white males and not the larping curries who frequment here and Sup Forums

How does fucking gpio headers solve the problems of what I just mentioned you fuckwit?

>HURRRRRR MY IRRELEVANT GARBAGE THERE ARE BETTER (AND CHEAPER) TOOLS FOR)

That's a fine reason to use them as appropriate tools for the fucking job.

ITT: a dude gets trolled into teaching Sup Forums electronics.

Eh, I'm okay being in software

That's pretty much electronics in a nutshell nowadays, what with standard ICs, standard communications buses like I2C and SPI. It isn't the 1950s any more where you had to do everything from scratch.

>raspis are babbys first ARM mini pc
True, but it's also the de facto standard in consumer SBCs.
>MUH COMMUNITY
Are you implying the community doesn't actually matter? Having a community means the board has been extensively tested under various real-world conditions. You have enough data points to get a good impression about its quality. This is not the case with a random Chinese board with better specs. There are alternatives to the RasPi that are comparable to it, like the BeagleBoard Black, but these aren't cheaper.
>program it in ... assembly
No point to it, in the majority of cases. C is easier to maintain and you don't care about the difference in performance for your garage door remote control, DIY weather station or whatever. If your goal is to learn assembly, there are better platforms, like the Commodore 64.

>BETTER (AND CHEAPER) TOOLS

List some. Go on. Tip: Don't list any Chinese botnets. Tip 2: If by "better" you mean better hardware, you are retarded and should go back to Sup Forums, FPS faggot. It's an SBC, not a gayman rig.

>I was only pretending to be retarded!

I'll do anything so Sup Forums will be less dumb. Hate posting on a board that's literally outdone in knowledge by 14 year olds in high school.

Input lag makes it basically shit