Brazil

Brazil has an electronical urn for votations and it doesn't have a printed comprobation of your vote. This urn has been proven totally vulnerable for many years and now we - including the specialists who invaded the urn in tests - are talking about the printed vote.

My question is: a rigged urn wouldn't also give rigged prints? By example:

The ideal is: I vote X, the urn counts X and prints X.
The suggestion is: I vote X, the urn counts Y and prints Y.

But what would prevent the rigged urn from counting Y and printing X?

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If the system is compromised you can't trust any data that goes in or out of it.
There's nothing else to say my hue friend.

This. Putting beans in pots would be more reliable at this point.

SOPA DE MACACO

Well if they do it in large enough numbers as to actually change the results of an election people would notice. That`s when the voting receipts actually come into play.

No guarantees whatsoever. Sure the prints could be counted to prove the urn's count was wrong but chances are almost everyone who gets the printout will just shove it in their pockets until they find the nearest rubbish bin.

It's a shit system but good luck getting politicians to say the system that got them elected is wrong.

>But what would prevent the rigged urn from counting Y and printing X?

You'd have to make all votes public which presents a whole load of other problems.

Just FYI, those urns, like those used in a number of other countries, are all manufacture by the Diebold.

You know you use Diebold ATMs, right?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold_Nixdorf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Election_Solutions
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Democracy

Diebold is fucking scum. When I worked on the legal department of one of our largest banks, there were some concerns about potential backdoors they put on some of the equipments supplied to us, I had moved to another job before they even started sorting out the situation, so I don't know what happened after.

Well, but if you're injecting a malicious software, turn the votes public wouldn't be a problem since they wouldn't audit the software anyway.

I know. The problem with Brazil is that we know all the problems but we don't do shit to solve them. It came public on the last presidential election that a lot of those urns presented failures, showed the wrong candidate when receiving inputs and all kind of "awkward" behavior. Still, no action was taken.

>and now we - including the specialists who invaded the urn in tests - are talking about the printed vote.
No, sadly we are not. The average João doesn't know or even care about that.

We should use a e-urn/paper system, or as I've recently taken to calling it,e-urn plus paper. Jokes apart, it would be a lot safer to vote in a candidate, print a paper, check said paper, leave a biometric signature and deposit in a physical urn. So if there is any suspect of rigging you can easily open the physical urn and do a new count.

>It came public on the last presidential election
We've known they had security problems since day 1.

você é o único macaco aqui, volte ao mar de mijo, viadão

dolarhyde chupa minha rola

>brazil

Stopped caring there. Kill yourself, donkey fucker.

That could be, but the point is: what if we don't ask for a recount? Also, knowing this country, some urns would "disappear" in case of a recounting.

Wow bro, you're edgy as fuck! I bet your name is Sasuke dark wing of satan's night. Did your parents got killed when you were a kid and that made you angry with the world and seeking for revenge?

>That could be, but the point is: what if we don't ask for a recount? Also, knowing this country, some urns would "disappear" in case of a recounting.
Then there's nothing we can do.

>urn
like what you put people's ashes into?

w-wait a sec, you don't call it a urn?

Ballot box, typically.

>brazil

These third world shit stains should be banned from using the internet. I wish Hitler would have gasssed them all instead of the Jews.

U M A D E L Í C I A

lol the only people who complain about these are right-wingers because they can't win any elections

Hitler was our ally tho

>yfw brazil had a nazi-kind movement during that period
ANAUÊ, MOTHERFUCKER

VAI DE VOLTA PRA CASA SUA MACACO NOJENTO DE PELE ESCURA, NÃO SOMOS EMPREGADOS SEUS

you're the baboon here.

top kek, easily triggered hue monkey.

I really want touch and lick those buttons, they look so well made

god I fucking hate underaged people on this messageboard

You tell them, irmão.

These pieces of shit carried data on a fucking floppy disk until very recently.

Then again, a shit country deserves a shit voting system. Nothing to see here really. Brniggers are not important.

Getúlio Vargas was neutral with Hitler and he did discover and sent one woman jew to Germany at the time, but in the end, Brazil became against Hitler because the Nazi's troops attacked and bombed some of brazilian military ships.

I don't get modern voting systems. You either have manual votes that take far too many man hours to count, or electronic votes which are untrustworthy and have been rigged over and over again.

Just use punched cards for fuck's sake. They can't be tampered with, and an electronic counting system can be put in place to make it even faster to count.

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>they must be underage for calling me out of living in a country for subhumans

UMA