Brazil has an electronical urn for votations and it doesn't have a printed comprobation of your vote. This urn has been proven totally vulnerable for many years and now we - including the specialists who invaded the urn in tests - are talking about the printed vote.
My question is: a rigged urn wouldn't also give rigged prints? By example:
The ideal is: I vote X, the urn counts X and prints X. The suggestion is: I vote X, the urn counts Y and prints Y.
But what would prevent the rigged urn from counting Y and printing X?
If the system is compromised you can't trust any data that goes in or out of it. There's nothing else to say my hue friend.
John Hall
This. Putting beans in pots would be more reliable at this point.
Jack Morgan
SOPA DE MACACO
Grayson Nguyen
Well if they do it in large enough numbers as to actually change the results of an election people would notice. That`s when the voting receipts actually come into play.
Ryan Smith
No guarantees whatsoever. Sure the prints could be counted to prove the urn's count was wrong but chances are almost everyone who gets the printout will just shove it in their pockets until they find the nearest rubbish bin.
It's a shit system but good luck getting politicians to say the system that got them elected is wrong.
Liam Lee
>But what would prevent the rigged urn from counting Y and printing X?
You'd have to make all votes public which presents a whole load of other problems.
Carson Reyes
Just FYI, those urns, like those used in a number of other countries, are all manufacture by the Diebold.
Diebold is fucking scum. When I worked on the legal department of one of our largest banks, there were some concerns about potential backdoors they put on some of the equipments supplied to us, I had moved to another job before they even started sorting out the situation, so I don't know what happened after.
Jonathan Robinson
Well, but if you're injecting a malicious software, turn the votes public wouldn't be a problem since they wouldn't audit the software anyway.
I know. The problem with Brazil is that we know all the problems but we don't do shit to solve them. It came public on the last presidential election that a lot of those urns presented failures, showed the wrong candidate when receiving inputs and all kind of "awkward" behavior. Still, no action was taken.
Colton Cook
>and now we - including the specialists who invaded the urn in tests - are talking about the printed vote. No, sadly we are not. The average João doesn't know or even care about that.
Dylan Lewis
We should use a e-urn/paper system, or as I've recently taken to calling it,e-urn plus paper. Jokes apart, it would be a lot safer to vote in a candidate, print a paper, check said paper, leave a biometric signature and deposit in a physical urn. So if there is any suspect of rigging you can easily open the physical urn and do a new count.
Austin Phillips
>It came public on the last presidential election We've known they had security problems since day 1.
Liam Cox
você é o único macaco aqui, volte ao mar de mijo, viadão
That could be, but the point is: what if we don't ask for a recount? Also, knowing this country, some urns would "disappear" in case of a recounting.
Wow bro, you're edgy as fuck! I bet your name is Sasuke dark wing of satan's night. Did your parents got killed when you were a kid and that made you angry with the world and seeking for revenge?
Caleb King
>That could be, but the point is: what if we don't ask for a recount? Also, knowing this country, some urns would "disappear" in case of a recounting. Then there's nothing we can do.
Owen King
>urn like what you put people's ashes into?
Isaiah Morris
w-wait a sec, you don't call it a urn?
Jacob Jackson
Ballot box, typically.
Jacob Roberts
>brazil
These third world shit stains should be banned from using the internet. I wish Hitler would have gasssed them all instead of the Jews.
Ethan Williams
U M A D E L Í C I A
Jack Phillips
lol the only people who complain about these are right-wingers because they can't win any elections
James Taylor
Hitler was our ally tho
Mason Ramirez
>yfw brazil had a nazi-kind movement during that period ANAUÊ, MOTHERFUCKER
Leo Ortiz
VAI DE VOLTA PRA CASA SUA MACACO NOJENTO DE PELE ESCURA, NÃO SOMOS EMPREGADOS SEUS
Gabriel Torres
you're the baboon here.
Ryder Baker
top kek, easily triggered hue monkey.
Austin Rivera
I really want touch and lick those buttons, they look so well made
Ethan Allen
god I fucking hate underaged people on this messageboard
Jackson Rodriguez
You tell them, irmão.
Grayson Price
These pieces of shit carried data on a fucking floppy disk until very recently.
Then again, a shit country deserves a shit voting system. Nothing to see here really. Brniggers are not important.
Gabriel Richardson
Getúlio Vargas was neutral with Hitler and he did discover and sent one woman jew to Germany at the time, but in the end, Brazil became against Hitler because the Nazi's troops attacked and bombed some of brazilian military ships.
Josiah Bailey
I don't get modern voting systems. You either have manual votes that take far too many man hours to count, or electronic votes which are untrustworthy and have been rigged over and over again.
Just use punched cards for fuck's sake. They can't be tampered with, and an electronic counting system can be put in place to make it even faster to count.
Andrew Phillips
...
Benjamin Foster
>they must be underage for calling me out of living in a country for subhumans