Duck out of a civil war when your allies control 80% of the countries territory

>duck out of a civil war when your allies control 80% of the countries territory
>they shit the bed and lose everything months after you leave
>this equates to you losing the war

Really makes you think...

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>caring about, let alone being butthurt over a war that happened long before any of Sup Forums was alive

FPBP

You didn't duck out, you were ousted.
Ofcourse it wasn't equal war, wasn't zero-sum game, but it was your failure, shame and depression like we had with Afghan. One must admit, you were fucked hard.

you shoul've gave your allies guns and let them do the fighting
gook vs gook
at least the loss is only war materials, not personnel
south vietnam doesn't have the enthusiasm to fight
ARVN officials are incompetent and corrupt

at least you got the russians at afghansitan, turned up bad tho.

>US war goals achieved:
None

>North Vietnamese war goals achieved:
All

Really makes you think...

the war continued 3 years after the amerikeks cried and ran away.

as soon as you left, the north actually pulled out their fucking tanks and apcs and shit. you were facing literal small arms and never encountered heavy armor or quality russian weapons aside from ak-47s.

Ivan, my lad, have you any explanation as to who exactly armed Hanoi with MiG-19s, T-54s, and SAMs?

Why does the US fail where the British succeed? What makes Britain such a nation of winners and the USA a "nation" of losers?

Really makes you think.

"For most Vietnamese, the enemy is not the largely forgotten conflicts with the French and Americans, it is their giant neighbor to the north, a nemesis for two millenia. Increasingly, Vietnamese have come to see the US as a bulwark against Chinese expansionism, however cooperation on the military front has been hampered by reluctance on the part of the VPA to cooperate with their one-time enemy as well as the US arms embargo that remained in effect until May of 2016 and years of estrangement prior to normalization of US-Vietnamese relations in 1993. Most Vietnamese military equipment comes from Russia, India, and Israel. There is a gulf between the common people of Vietnam and the ruling Vietnamese Communist Party, which has been criticized for an overly soft stance on relations with China. Some of this is for practical reasons (China is Vietnam's largest trade partner) as well as a desire to not stir hostility. Some is also political in that the VCP sees China as a brother communist state, one of the only ones left in the world, and the model for authoritarian state capitalism. The short, but bloody war with China in 1979 has not been forgotten either despite the best efforts of the VCP to airbrush it from the history books after Sino-Vietnamese relations were normalized in the early 90s. There is no doubt that Vietnam would have little chance in an all-out conflict with Beijing and its superior equipment, nuclear arsenal, and immense reserves of manpower."

Then why did you need us to rescue you from krauts twice?

youtube.com/watch?v=veMwTqvsozA

>these butthurt diaspora

>Then why did you need us to rescue you from krauts twice?

We didn't, the Continentals needed you. The Battle of Britain, which made a German invasion impossible, was over before the US entered the war and even before the start of lend-lease. You maybe don't realise just how late in the war US assistance started. The US entered the war because of Japan and focused on Germany because it was worried about the Soviets.

Before the Battle of Britain ended in a British victory, the public mood in the USA was not to help, because most top officials in the US assumed the Germans beat us so it wasn't worth bothering to help.

>The battle also significantly shifted American opinion. During the battle, many Americans accepted the view promoted by Joseph Kennedy, the American ambassador in London, who believed that the United Kingdom could not survive. Roosevelt wanted a second opinion, and sent "Wild Bill" Donovan on a brief visit to the UK; he became convinced the UK would survive and should be supported in every possible way.[273][274]

As for WW1, Britain bottled up the German fleet by itself and was never in real danger from the Germans, all the western front fighting was in France and Belgium

China had around 150,000 troops in North Vietnam, mostly as advisers, but some also manned AA guns. This is not well known.

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>The battle also significantly shifted American opinion. During the battle, many Americans accepted the view promoted by Joseph Kennedy, the American ambassador in London, who believed that the United Kingdom could not survive. Roosevelt wanted a second opinion, and sent "Wild Bill" Donovan on a brief visit to the UK; he became convinced the UK would survive and should be supported in every possible way.[273][274]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain#Aftermath

Important lesson right there.

>US war goals achieved:
>None

>poisoned half the population with AO
>two generations later, they're still breeding potatoes
>40,000 Vietnamese have been killed or maimed by unexploded ordnance since the end of the war in 1975

"The reasons for the three week conflict between China and Vietnam in 1979 are unclear. It has been speculated that Deng Xiaoping faced opposition to his economic reforms from PLA generals, many of whom were staunch Maoists, and that he wished to distract their attention for a while with a war so he could institute reforms unhindered. Another suggestion is that Deng started the war to demonstrate the backwardness and poor overall condition of the PLA post-Cultural Revolution so as to justify his reforms. Still another theory is that Deng wanted to prove that the Soviet Union, Vietnam's principle ally, was a paper tiger and would content themselves with verbal protests. The PLA withdrew after sustaining nearly 30,000 casualties, both Hanoi and Beijing claiming victory. Numerous small clashes rippled along the border for a decade after the war and Vietnam strongly fortified the area, assuming that if another conflict occurred, the Chinese would not halt in the foothills, but instead drive all the way on to Hanoi."

"The PLA performed overall poorly. Equipment was of poor quality and short supply, troops and officers' training was extremely inadequate, and since the Cultural Revolution, the army had no system of ranks, which created further difficulties. Also, the divisions employed in the war were largely second-stringers as the PLA's elite troops were stationed along the northern border of China on guard against potential Soviet retaliation."

So what you're saying is that you got a lot of innocent people hurt or killed for no good reason. Well done, fucktard.

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>US goal was to prevent Vietnam from becoming gommie
>vietnam becomes gommie
>b-but we didn't lose!!
Fuck atleast Australian troops were actually good at fighting the gooks compared to the amerishits

And that is an achievment how exactly