What is the best way of making home NAS which is: 1) Small 2) Quiet 3) Has multi-disc support 4) Whose total base cost won't exceed that of it's hard disc array. 5) Preferably with a case.
I'm not looking for a fast NAS or even a RAID. Just a JBOD, possibly with AUFS. Gigabit ethernet is not even a requirement. I just need a big dumb bucket for simple home media (wifi) streaming and shared file storage. Which could live in a living room.
A single board option like pic-related appeals to me for reason of simplicity, but I'm not against a cheap mini-ITX or nano-ITX build (particular since these offer proper cases). What I am against is the total cost of the build exceeding that of the hard discs to go into it. 4-6 discs seems like the most reasonable option to me, and I lean towards 2.5'' discs for reasons of size, sound, and power consumption.
For the record, I'd rather use a ghetto option like pic related than salvage an old mid-tower. Quiet/Small/Cheap. I'd like to pick all three.
Case: Inter-Tech IPC SC-4004 Mobo: J3455-ITX with 4 GB RAM Disks: 3x3 TB in raidz + 3 TB PSU: Pico PSU connected to chink PSU for 12V (has been tested 24/7 for 4 years)
David Smith
>Whose total base cost won't exceed that of it's hard disc array.
How can you fucks be so broke? Just take a shitty pc and install freenas. You can find shit PCs for nothing at most thrift stores. Makes me angry that you cheap fuck heads are always thinking how you can spend the least amount of money. If you thought "how can I spend more money?" you would actually have money.
This case would be at the largest end of the size I'm looking for. Is there an equivalent somewhere which fits 2.5'' disks only? Also, isn't 4GB of RAM a little excessive for a fileserver. I've seen Rpi's run samba off USB disc enclosures with only 1GB RAM. As I said, I don't need RAID, or ZFS, etc.
What's wrong with wanting to reduce the cost of overheads? I don't want or need a full PC build. I'm not going to run ZFS, or decode media. Absolutely no RAID whatsoever.
It's possible to achieve the required functionality with a $35 SBC, and maybe $20 worth of extra cabling. I'm looking for something neater, but that's the baseline. A 4 disc consumer NAS starts at about $500, runs its own software, and is built for 3.5'' drives. The custom NAS builds I've seen are geared around ZFS and are essentially the cost of an Optiplex. I feel this is doable on a far smaller budget. Or should be. The hard discs themselves are the most important part. They just need to be made accessible.
Why buy a $200 wood chipper when I can get a $10 axe? I just need to chop a few logs.
Daniel Long
Why can't you figure all this shit out on your own. Half of the fun of making shit like this is figuring it out yourself.
All your questions are so simple that with just googling for 20 minutes you would have figured everything out yourself.
No. It makes me mad that, that mentality will keep them poor.
Matthew James
Spending more money = having higher income?
Sit over there quietly>>>>>>
Noah Barnes
I've been googling for 2 days. 95% of solutions are centered around RAID or ZFS based builds. I think this is total overkill for the typical use cases of a home NAS. The machines are also both big, loud, and fairly power hungry for the task at hand. I'm not building a HTPC either.
There are single disk solutions for most of what I'm looking for, but, can a man not roll a small 12TB NAS in his own home?
Effectively this is exactly what I'm looking for, except that it looks only marginally better than a #fullghetto cable build. It's also got a slightly large footprint(and absolutely no airflow).
It's not even about the money. It's about why am I spending $300-$400 extra on power I won't use, and a board that's too big and noisy for what I need? I'm spending more to get literally less. What I want can be done on a cheap SBC board, so why go for a full i5 4GB build? I'm seeking a happier medium.
Blake Smith
>4-6 discs seems like the most reasonable option to me Specifying number of disks is retarded without specifying what amount of storage you want. If you want something and I lean towards 2.5'' discs for reasons of size, sound, and power consumption Then you're fucking retarded. You want to cheap out on the actual NAS and you care about some meaningless decrease in power consumption, yet you're okay paying for 2.5" hard disks that cost about twice as much per GB as 3.5" ones. >but muh failure rates of big drives Yeah, I'm sure an 8 TB 3.5" drive designed for constant use is much more likely to fail than any one out of a couple random 2.5" drives not designed for NAS use.
Benjamin Thompson
> Specifying number of disks is retarded without specifying what amount of storage you want. I know what storage I want. At least 8GB, preferably 12GB, but I want it in a smaller, more quiet unit. 2.5'' discs don't tend to go beyond 2GB yet. Not for commodity discs at any rate.
> You want to cheap out on the actual NAS and you care about some meaningless decrease in power consumption, yet you're okay paying for 2.5" hard disks that cost about twice as much per GB as 3.5" ones. I need utility beyond the usual GB/$ ratio. If I wanted cheap bits, I'd have re-purposed an old case, bought 8 Blues and left the rig to clank away in the shed. I note that the rig would nevertheless cost less than one hard disc. >2.5" drives not designed for NAS use. I had planned on Reds or a Ironwolfs. Anyway reliability isn't a concern for this build. Part of the assumption is that the whatever will be on it is either properly backup or not important enough to.
It's a NAS not a backup server.
Jaxson Sanders
You can run samba from rPi and make a filesever out of it, but it would run very limited, performance-wise. Since rpi has a shared bus between USB and Ethernet. Then again, 4GB of RAM is the bare minimum you can have to run a server.
>Why buy a $200 wood chipper when I can get a $10 axe? I just need to chop a few logs. Nice logic there. Well, it depends how many few logs a day/week/month you are going to chop. If you plan on running this 24/7 you'll need some quality materials and not some SBC with a chink psu ready to set your home on fire. Guessing from how much you don't understand (hell, you even spew out words like ZFS and Optiplex)
You are one cheap, illiterate motherfucker.
Cooper Young
>I know what storage I want. At least 8GB, preferably 12GB, but I want it in a smaller, more quiet unit. 2.5'' discs don't tend to go beyond 2GB yet. Not for commodity discs at any rate. I assume you mean Terabytes (TB). 2.5" are less reliable than 3.5" also less capacity for obvious reasons. >I need utility beyond the usual GB/$ ratio. If I wanted cheap bits, I'd have re-purposed an old case, bought 8 Blues and left the rig to clank away in the shed. I note that the rig would nevertheless cost less than one hard disc. This is what common sense would tell to anyone, but clearly you are not in the trade. Just buy a Sinology/Qnap those accept 2.5" and don't ever come back to Sup Forums >It's a NAS not a backup server I-I Please, go. justo go.
Julian Anderson
>Then again, 4GB of RAM is the bare minimum you can have to run a server. What? Why? Why the hell would a home samba server ever need that amount of RAM? No really. What services would require that amount? What samba fileshare service requires the system to have 4GB of RAM? What makes 4GB the "bare minimum"? What can't you run if you only have 2GB? Given that we're not running ZFS or a raid here? Please, take your time.
>Just buy a Sinology/Qnap those accept 2.5" Those cost $300-$500 for a diskless system. And they're shit. They have always been shit. They have always been inferior to re-purposing clanking old rigs. A ghetto setup in a biscuit tin with a fan would make more sense.
>I-I Please, go. justo go. I see. You're one of those who thinks a NAS constitutes a backup solution. Enjoy your data loss.
Samuel Long
It's fine to be cheap, but stupidity is less fine.
Old SFF desktop off Ebay and a suitable drive holder (or stick them to the outside of the case with double-sided tape or sticky back Velcro, I've done both) would get the job done. Cheap, easy, simple, small and quiet.
>I see. You're one of those who thinks a NAS constitutes a backup solution. Enjoy your data loss.
A NAS does fill the role of a backup solution if it holds an additional copy of data you have stored on your daily driver PC.
Jonathan Murphy
>op pict >hdd on carpet
Fucking triggered me.
William Nguyen
Oh look, it's another "OP asks for advice and then ignores all of it" thread.
Just get a cheap 2 or 4 bay qnap with an ARM processor and 2 gb ram. Set it for jbod mode and you have a quiet, low power consumption temporary storage box for all of your hoarding needs. You would be well advised to use wd reds or other Nas grade drives, but use whatever you want, not like I care.
A little more googling produced something called the Cloudshell 2 for the Odroid XU4. This is closer to what I'm mining for. hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G149142327280 The board is interesting. I wouldn't need that much RAM and the ssd can be foregone entirely as a usb boot is an option. I don't think I'd need 6 3.5'' bays. The mini-ITX cases don't seem to have a happy medium between 1 2.5'' hdd and 3 3.5'' hdds so far as I can tell. That's not a backup solution. That is playing pretend. I don't intend this NAS to pretend to be anything but a home share. > Just get a cheap 2 or 4 bay qnap with an ARM processor and 2 gb ram. Those cost $400 and can you even so much as install software? costs the same and is basically a full PC.
>Estimated delivery October 2017 I assume, like all kickstarter projects, that its DOA
John Lewis
> Marvell Armada 388 CPU as you can see here, it's a powerful arm cpu, much better than the personal cloud shit
I am not convinced that anybody would need to power an full bloated x86 cpu just to run multiple hdd disks at acceptable speed
Cooper Turner
There are only tree reasonable options. 1) 50-70$ router with decent cpu and usb3 like xiaomi mi3g with openwrt 2) Your desktop pc with freenas vm or windows+drivepool 3) 45nm-era office tower
Bentley Taylor
GNUBEE (say newby). Yeah, sure.
Henry Clark
I thought about doing this and instead just went with a Synology DS-418. It just works and DSM is really well designed. I had it fully set up in under an hour including VPN, SMB/NFS shares, HTTPS with Let's Encrypt certs...
If you want something reliable without needing to sink hours of effort just go for a synology/qnap NAS
>ZFS nice meme
Thomas Hall
>I am not convinced that anybody would need to power an full bloated x86 cpu just to run multiple hdd disks at acceptable speed >20-30 watts idle for a xeon-d Oh no, a whole $3 of electricity a month, how bloated.
Eli Green
>2.5" discs don't. they are way less reliable. I have a 3.5" still going from 2006 while almost all of my 2.5" that I bought since then have already died
Tyler Ortiz
>number of sata ports >= number of disks you plan to use >sort price by lowest to highest >choose top option
Joseph Perry
>can you guys recommend me a good cat with no seat belts? I don't need it to be safe because anyone I care about won't be riding it. >also every guide online assumes I want 4 tires but 3 is plenty for me. I'm just going to use this car for myself, don't know why I'd need 4 tires >why don't you guys understand that I don't want to drive a licensed vehicle?
Logan Allen
Most cats won't have seat belts as far as I know, however, unless you're an extreme midget or a mouse I don't think you'll be able to ride the cat, especially with friends. Maybe you can build a DIY robotic cat that will be large enough to contain your girth.
Grayson Powell
It all makes sense now.
Oliver Bell
There's no quiet with 3.5 drives unfortunately.
Eli Russell
most routers these days have something like this
Evan Thomas
Is that a Raspi NAS?
Ethan Richardson
I like this.
Isaac Wood
I just built one with an stx motherboard desu they are tiny I put it into an news case only runs a Pentium but works better than my old setup. They also use a laptop style PSU which is nice
