When will the pixel war be over?

When will the pixel war be over?

I feel like monitor technology will be soon be stagnate.

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I'm waiting for OLED to mature or a CRT revival

oled will NEVER be good for a computer monitor it has too many burn in issues

>CRT

>pros
High refresh rate
Great for retro gaming

>cons
Heavy as shit
Bulky

I'm really waiting for whatever brings totally real blacks. But for now, I guess I can safely say my next screen (within the next three years) will be more than 1080p and more than 60Hz.

burn in issues have steadily improved over time and lg oled tv's are already being used as pc monitors.

CRT will never come back. The only people still hanging onto it are retro-tech enthusiasts who acknowledge it's limitations but collect old stuff anyways, delusional assholes that can't accept that while LCD screens sucked in comparison when they first came out, the industry has moved on and far surpassed the quality of CRT, and poorfags that have been holding on to the same monitor for two decades and insisting it's still fine.

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>I feel like monitor technology will be soon be stagnate.
But it has been stagnate for a long time now, 4K and ultrawide are an evolutionary improvement not a revolutionary one.
We're still dealing with the same shitty static contrast, poor black levels, panel uniformity problems, slow response times, IPS glow etc.

Is that a glossy display? Me want.

oled is the next plasma.

i don't care im still waiting for it

So are you a hipster, a delusional asshole, or a poorfag?

For me it's nostalgia, a CRT just gives off a certain warmth that an LCD just can't match.

hoping crt comes back is more interesting than your lame rant or upgrading my 120hz eizo

well have fun waiting for something that will literally never happen, retard.

tcl p605

6500 static contrast
local dimming so the glow is minimal and only seen at off angles.
the uniformity is an issue sure, but honestly its a vinyett like effect, not really a problem in day to day use
sub 15ms absolute lag,
10 bit (i think 8bit+frc) where on 8bpc im able to differentiate easily color values of 2 (0-255)

I honestly can not complain.

I had daily multi hour long headaches, then I got a lcd and the headaches were gone completely

The monitors also get real fucking shit over time, however my tn I was using that was 8 years old, while it lost its white did not get so dim that contrast fucked it self like my last two crts did (and those fucked themselves in under 4 years each)

and they still have burn issues, till they no longer burn they are a no go, my fucking tn burnt in the fucking chrome tab bar over time.

if you dont get something self immiting, make damn sure it has local dimming, I can safely say that local dimming alone makes my tcl 605 worth its price.

16K for desktop

there are only a few lcds that are able to eliminate motion blur, and even that is a trick.

crts are still far superior in that regard, but personally the trade off is well worht it for me, my crt's, while I loved the fuck out of them, sucked dick after a few years due to brightness and gave me massive fucking headaches.

>wanting blacks

1080p is fine for any monitor up to 27 inches
1440p is fine up to 35 inches
4k up to 75 inches

If you need a bigger display than 75 inches you might be doing it wrong or very right who knows

Not until we reach 8K 120hz 30" 300 ppi monitors with anti glare but bright/clear panels.

waiting for something that will probably never happen is still more exciting than current monitor tech

1080 is peasant trash from 2005 that shouldn't be used anymore. My phone is 1440.

>4K 21.6" OLED by JOLED
>JOLED (Japan OLED) was established in August 2014 by Japan Display, Sony and Panasonic with an aim to become an OLED medium display producer (focusing at first on OLEDs for tablets, monitors, laptops and signage).
Sony/Panny beat both LG and Samsung to OLED monitors? That's surprising.

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I have the status bar burned into all four OLED phones infront of me. It's still an issue.

Wait™ for MicroLED/QD-LED/any other inorganic self-emissive LED

sssssooooooo a hipster

it being an issue still doesn't preclude the fact they've made improvements and will obviously need to continue to do so in the future

The melee community uses it. No input lag

monitor technology won't be stagnant until monitors look like actual mirrors.

can you imagine if your bathroom mirror behaved like a computer screen?

when the screens for my shit end up being bathroom mirror quality then I'd say they won't stink

I have a really old and dim tn monitor like you described

eye resolution is 500 mp. so a little ways to go

microled is further away than oled and we already have quantum dot displays and they are not better than oled but they're nice.

CRT wilp never come back because its actual expensive shit.
>glass
>metal
>copper electic magnets
That shit costs real money.
They would rather sell you the shit that is only made out of 0.01$ worth of pllastic at a high price than something actually expensive.

32" 4k@60+ hz will be the new norm, and i love it.

>inorganic led panel
They say volta chips are expensive, imagine 50000$ smartphone screens

>OLED
Meme tech, mLED will reign supreme.

If you mean resolution then yes, anything beyond a certain number of pixels per degree of viewing angle is placebo, and we've reached this point.
But all the currently used display technologies have their major flaws, there's huge room for improvement. The question is whether any improvement will come in the foreseeable future.

QD-LED != QLED
retard

not likely. it costs more to produce and has less desirable display characteristics.

yes, yes it is.

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retard

>SED and FED are dead

Why doesn't some mad man make even one 4:3 flat panel TV?

I always look at mine and just wonder how it would be with another 15 inches added to the top.

It feels like I can reach out and touch the fluorescent fixtures. Pretty damn sweet.

>recent naming convention change to distinguish a non existent product
lol ok

It will stagnate steadily after they reached 16k in the next 2 decades. Anything else beyond 16k is virtually useless.

SED or FED displays should be the next thing but happy merchants of display market won't allow it

16k TVs, 8k monitors, and 4k phones/VR displays.
Then 120Hz will become standard.
Then they'll stagnate until hologram crap is mature.

Industry will never go back to CRT. The space in a warehouse needed for one CRT could hold 2 LCD screens of the same size. Modern CRT screens at 1080p would be fucking huge. Industry just won't produce them.

crt fills a niche that current display technology cannot fill so no matter what reason you give for it not coming back i'll still find crt more compelling that current display tech

>no crappy display scalers
>can render numerous resolutions natively
>no need for anti-aliasing and other fucking ugly and performance crippling effects
>uber low input lag
>inherently low display persistence for ultra low motion blur
>top tier color and contrast
>high refresh rates without display quality degradation

there are monitors with some of these benefits, there are monitors with other advantages but no monitors exist with all these explicitly useful display features

yea, when everyone was starting to get excited about quantum dots, samsung decided to use that as a marketing name, kind of like how long island ice tea changed its name to blockchain ice tea.

at some point in time an oled screen cost over a million dollars too, because it was a prototype not ready for mass production

once they got the lines set up they are sub 1$ to make.

oleds will be the future, but it will be a race to the bottom because of the need to replace the displays every few years.

useless sure, but there will come times when you see bumps in resolution just because the advancement of tech allows it, I honestly don't think we are going to hard line straight for 8k because even the average cramped apartment won't see a benefit from it unless you are getting a 80+ inch display.

>tfw modern technology still hasn't surpassed technology that's more than 100 years old

man people back then must've been actual geniuses

except samsung's display isn't just a marketing name. their qd displays have distinctly superior display characteristics over non qd displays.

>CRT revival

As much as I want this to happen I would be happy with just 4:3 or 5:4 LCD panels making a comeback.

scaling stops mattering given enough resolution
can also natively handle many resolutions, just not scale perfectly for them
there is need for aa on crts, you are just able to get away with lower amounts, however last time I used one I had a 15 inch 1600x1200 that I had to use at 1024x764 because of how small all the text got and scaling was not really a thing that worked or was used. also the absolute sharpness of native resolution was shit, my current tcl 605 handles very small 1 pixel wide text worlds better then my crts ever did.
color... fuck no. sure some high end 15000$ monitors have more accurate color, but both of these degrade heavily over time
all oleds are 120hz no matter the size, and they can easily go higher as they have stupid fucking response times, we also have ips that go to 144 hz, I think there is at least 1 240 hz one, so image quality is not a factor, how much you are willing to pay is, and seeing as high refresh crts were nearly 1000$ but a good 240hz monitor could be had for under 300 if you aren't to picky there are tradeoffs that im willing to make

input lag and resistance are the only aspects I will give you, but persistence is able to be dealt with on 144/240hz monitors to the point the crt advantage is moot.

to be fair, lcd is better for smartphone, tv and other gadgetry where physical dimensions are tantamount. it's just that the desktop computer never got a viable replacement for the crt monitor. and desktop computing happens to be far more important than everything else and that will never ever change.

>from 2005

2005 was WSXGA+ not 1080p

They said that about plasma TV's and they never cured the burn in issue at all. Considering TV's generally have more dynamic video than computer monitors, I'm not wasting my money.

> scaling stops mattering given enough resolution
stopped reading there. you're a moron. pls consider suicide.

Samsung hasn't been doing much in regards to OLED for anything past cell phones. They've gone with their "QLED" technology instead.

burn in issues isn't why plasma tv stopped being made.

that's debatable, had to look at tvs for a long fucking time recently, samsung is not far enough ahead with their shit to matter yet.

they are using a qdot layer at best to pass light through to a normal lcd, using the qdot layer to better handle a 10bit output.

the quantum dot that everyone is excited about is self emissive, which is not even fucking close yet, even by samsung's own bullshit marketing they will admit this.

for all the good the quantum dot layer does, I would rather have a black and clear layer instead that acts as a per pixel filter so you can use something like an ips, put a stupid fucking backlight behind it and get oled like blacks and pixel sharp contrast you know, what panasonic is doing.

remember, contrast is king, its the number 1 factor in being able to see quality improvements, sure more color range will fix things like banding sure, but unless you have demos that strictly show it off the higher color range is not noticeable in motion, however contrast sure as fuck is.

are you retarded?
The main factor in scaling being shit is how many pixels of data you have to work with, the fewer pixels and the bigger the screen the more the flaws in perfect scaling show off.

however for example, a normal sized monitor, if it was oled and 8k could probably emulate crts because it would have enough resolution to do so.

>that's debatable
no it isn't. if you want the best color qled is #1, contrast oled #1. samsung qled displays offer the best hdr color and still has excellent contrast. i'd agree with your opinion on which is preferable but it's highly use case specific so not really an argument. and oled has longevity issues to solve so it's far from being better right now.

>1080 at 27in
Fuck that. 1080p up to 21in, then 1440p up to 27in and 4k for anything bigger.

an 8k monitor wouldn't even come close to mitigating scaling issues and that's assuming it's on the small side of around 24" as a bigger monitor would be much worse. then you better hope your os and programs all display correctly or you will need a microscope to see them or suffer from some hideous blur. in a perfect world having no native resolutions wouldn't strictly be an advantage but that will never be the case so not an argument.

It will come back in a way for niche high refresh rate purposes like laboratory purposes and high speed real time camera displays, but not be cathode ray, it will be modulated laser based and use light wavelength modulation to get colour reproduction to close to human eye levels, the screens will also be way thinner because they can use fibre optic prisms to beam the lasers at 90deg angles and such, thus will not really be drastically different than lcds in thickness, the screen itself will be glass/polymer based and not significantly affect cost at screen size as it will essentially be rear projection.

The cost will be multipul lasers and higher refresh rates, but they will be similar to crt.

you are completely wrong with color being more important than contrast.

and you are wrong with samsung being so far our ahead that non qleds (excluding oleds) look bad by comparison, what samsung is doing is niggerigging a qled and while it has an effect on quality, its not nearly enough to be clear cut, but hey, that's more on humans being very shit at distinguishing the differences in color but being FAR better at distinguishing contrast.

10 bit and 12 bit help with mitigating banding, however the bandwidth given outside of blu rays to display the shit the mitigation may as well not exist, meanwhile literally every piece of content benefits from contrast, and hdr specifically is masterd demanding 4000 cm/2 of light (dolby) so being able to filter a stupidly powerful backlight to the point you are getting oled like blacks but pixel perfect local dimming WILL be something everyone can see.

you are arguing a strawman now. samsung's qled has inherent advantages, intrinsically superior display characteristics. your subjective opinion over which ones are more important does not change the fact qled does some things objectively better.