>posting women Nope, sorry, minimalism is for homosexuals. Reminder that Arch isn’t minimal.
Blake Myers
God you are annoying uwu fag
Jose Stewart
Reposting Arch explanation
Arch has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible. Arch has *never* been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages, etc.
>pacman is fast but not safe, it tends to break shit and config protection is implemented in a terrible way >there is no official process to verify that a package is stable within the distro, in other distros a lot of packages are in a testing repo despite that specific package's developer claiming it to be stable on its own, because it might not be stable within the environment of a specific distro >a lot of AUR packages pull from upstream, which means they could be very unstable >(arch vs gentoo related) arch users complain about muh compile time when it comes to gentoo, while in fact they compile a lot of AUR packages themselves, namely the *-git packages that pull the source from a git repo >but it gets even better: they only compile a handful of packages, and those not being libraries mostly, the self-compiled packages get linked against precompiled libraries from a different setup (e.g. different optimization levels), which can then cause even more instability because it's a clusterfuck of unequal shit >arch uses (((systemd))) and switching to something else is hard >apparently the vim package on arch pulls in X, so if you want to have a fancy terminal text editor on a headless server, you to install a shit ton of GUI stuff you'll never need nor use >maintainer told the guy who complained to just symlink vi to vim (vi is inferior)
Landon Brown
Shite general.
Jackson Barnes
Gay is a mental illness
Nathan Harris
Reposting minimalism rant
The thing for me when it come to this is that I'm kinda disgusted by the amount of bloat in popular applications and environments.
Let's take the picture viewer as an example. What does it do? That's right! It views pictures! We have also seen picture viewers that can run with very tiny amounts of ram, and do their job pretty well. Why then should we be using a picture viewer that does the exact same practical thing as this minimal picture viewer, but is 10+ times heavier?
I've heard this a lot, the whole "lel just get a newer computer grandpa!" I'd like to let you know that I use minimal setups both on a 2012 Fagbook Pro, and a Xeon workstation being used as a desktop. Both of these have 16+ GB of memory. What you have to understand is that just because we have the resources, doesn't mean it's right to use them to the limit. Why should we artificially use more resources for the same tasks just because we have the capability to do it. That's retarded. At that point we should just rewrite the kernel in electron because clearly anyone who has a problem with that just needs to download more wam.
Another key component for me is that achieving a high level of minimalism often involves switching to a vey terminal-heavy lifestyle. This is good as it provides a universal interface. The interface used to shitpost, consume content, and whatnot, is the same interface that would be used when administering a server, when configuring my NAS, when working with Amazon EC2 installations, etc.
Why do you hate keeping things simple? Why do you want things to use more resources than they have to to complete their function?
Samuel Phillips
>Reminder that Arch isn’t minimal. But you can setup your desktop the way you want without preinstalled bloat. Sounds pretty minimal to me.
Xavier Gray
This thread sucks, please delete it.
Thomas Taylor
i love you i am a mental illness, owo yes post one with a cute animu boy
Grayson Flores
>using a distro already bloated as fuck, why wiuld you need to keep track of packages that you will never use. just install lfs and keep track of what you actually use. nothing is more bloated than gentoo portage tree
Jeremiah Lee
arch is not minimal, systemd is not minimal
Carter Stewart
Buzz off you hecking freak!
Thomas Jenkins
I know thats the point of the pasta, uwu
Luke Sanders
but youre not the one tracking the packages, and you dont even have to see packages you dont use, unless theyre deps of packages you do use now you
Levi Carter
are you on IRC
Jonathan Butler
Your intelligence *is* minimal however
Samuel Green
no im not... yet
Connor Edwards
No I LIKE 3D BITCHESS NIGGA
Cameron Reed
they are still stored when you sync the package db, probably not bad with asmall distro like alpine but the portage tree is bloated as fuck and stored locally. also not using a custom kernel is bloat, using an initramfs without full disk encryption is useless and bloat. then there is all the useless gpl licenses shit that they have to add to each package, the useless foreign languages and much much more bloat. distros ate bloated by design except maybe for alpine which is more like broken by design
Ryan Martinez
...
Tyler Butler
stahp
Ian Howard
ok im in the irc
Landon Rogers
Delete this thread
Gabriel Nguyen
yes please
also nobodys in the irc?
Jason Gonzalez
Get your faggot ass out of here
Brayden Brooks
>they are still stored when you sync the package db dont know if youre talking about a specific distro, but on apt based distros you can delete the db with apt clean i believe (i dont know the size of it, but it cant be that big) grant you this one though, it could be made better, something like the google play store does on android if you want something search for it remotely, dont download the world >there is all the useless gpl licenses shit that they have to add to each package yeah, think thats dumb too, but thats part of the license, not the distros fault >foreign languages not sure what youre refering to here, programming languages (like bindings between different languages) or actual human languages? >programming doesnt happen on debian afaik >human languages does happen if you install a DE like gnome/mate/etc you can safely remove then, the package manager doesnt even complain >distros ate bloated by design but they serve the purpose well, it makes a stable (it should at least) base for many different ppl with different HW
Grayson Phillips
Go in to ur gay irc faggots
Asher Jones
gentoo i3wm xfce4-terminal dolphine mousepad waterfox (should use qutebrowser) did i forgot anything?
Jaxon Thomas
women are icky especially 3d go awai!
Hunter Taylor
...
Jason Lopez
You were born too early for medical science to be able to fix what you have.
Hudson Brooks
bloat
Isaiah Cox
kek
Lincoln James
Whom is responsible for this shit general?? I wanna ring his neck!
Isaac Phillips
We've had guns for hundreds of years
Logan Ross
Implying you wouldn't shoot your bloat all over her ass
Justin Wilson
Okay minimalfags, I'd appreciate an explanation on why bash is bloat, what's the best alternative and why, and then also how much less disk and ram usage is it actually providing or is it all just a drop in the ocean and lacking features like decent completion and vi mode? To me it seems that installing some other shell just makes the system bigger overall, and trying to maintain the dependencies of uninstalling bash could be bad (I haven't tried, though).
I really love minimalism in computing but I also love meaningful convenience- and aesthetics features. And believe that there is a limit on how far one should enforce ideologies before it becomes autistic, headache-inducing and the returns diminishing.
Especially dwm is something I can't wrap my head around, why the hell does 3MB less RAM compared to i3 matter when it has worse documentation, customization, and failed to resize tiling windows last time I tried it. (Could also be that I tried it on OpenBSD and I grew overly frustrated at how hard it is to get stuff like ext4 and mouse wheel emulation to work compared to average Linux, and now I just associate it with that frustration. Maybe I should revisit it some day with plenty of time and patience to study the dwm docs)
I really love minimalism in computing but I also love meaningful convenience- and aesthetics features. And believe that there is a limit on how far one should enforce ideologies before it becomes autistic, headache-inducing and the returns diminishing.
A nice quote
"Minimalism = A very good thing, too much of something is never good."
Noah Wright
This
Wyatt Taylor
Is she open source?
Chase Brooks
Sup Forumsuys, how to shitpost from TTY?
Cameron Howard
links
Brody Jackson
How do you solve the captcha in links tho
Asher Thomas
guise please join the irc its on rizon #Sup Forumsminimal
Blake Moore
good question
Ryan Allen
4chin passs
Wyatt Gray
i was already here, but this thread is shite
Elijah Gonzalez
>paying money to post on fbi datamining site
Isaiah Green
OP's pic on its own is nice, but why is it that as soon as i go on this, all the captions/followers/comments/descriptions kill my boner everytime?
Logan Thomas
tfw tired of ricing and configuring the OS and just want to get things done but can't stand bloated DE's. Is there such a thing as a minimal distro sensibly preconfigured with device management, power management (hibernation, suspend..) etc. but no other software so I can just install a WM and few programs that I'm used to and just get work done?
Anthony Howard
the absolute state of systemd
Xavier Perry
Debian + vanilla dwm use the terminal to do everything
Jaxson Miller
Works on my machine
Nathaniel Williams
you can just take people's configs off reddit
Caleb Nguyen
systemd with gnome and whatever wm you want.
Jayden Allen
their are stages to autism, and whoever made this infographic is at maximum level
Carter Rivera
i don't like systemd either but this is just embarassing
Isaac Hughes
Anything with less bloat?
Matthew Howard
woah
Jaxon Ortiz
OpenRC doesn't have this problem
Sebastian Price
xfce?
Connor Harris
uwu how old are you
Luke Hall
why you ask, owo?
Jose Garcia
That isn't bloated at all.
Benjamin Davis
modern GNOME is more bloated than Windows 10 these days.
Kevin Hall
Old enough to be your mother
Austin Martinez
pls leave
Josiah Hernandez
cause im curious
Kevin Baker
You know what they say. Curiosity killed the cat.
Isaac Flores
old enough to follow global rule 2
Brody Green
Neat. Sadly not relevant to the discussion however. Go back to playing with ksh93 or whatever autistic shit you do in between trying to get someone to have a conversation with you.
Liam Jones
>he bought cheap consumer-tier garbo mobo that doesn't have a hardware way to restore firmware. fucking lmao why are you using gnu/linux?
Jackson Green
get out
Brayden Hughes
Lose the tripcode please
Jayden Murphy
Bash performs worse than both zsh and dash but unfortunately is required by many packages so fucking with it isn’t a great idea. What I did was relink /bin/sh to dash and change my login shell to zsh. It might take up some more megabytes but the decrease in ram usage and increase in speed is well worth it, imo. This is more of a ricer’s approach than a minimalist’s though.
Lucas Ramirez
you should try mksh I just switched to it its even lighter than zsh and still comfy
Gabriel Bennett
oh and faster too
Owen Long
minimal and hot af
Brandon Reyes
Fire! Ahhhh run away!
Mason Collins
Where is it?
Adrian Hughes
rizon
Zachary Lewis
Programming is superior to women + why would you be attracted to a women which isn't to your reach and that just seek attention?
Michael Collins
>a women >a
Sebastian Reed
The wm is Ratpoison. You are not me and hell no I am not using KDE.
