I'm employed at a gambling business that offers, among other things, 3 slot machines for clients to waste their money on. Every time the winner wants to withdraw the winnings, i need to reset the slot's balance using a special key. The slot keeps a history of how much money it paid and how much money was inserted over it's lifetime (it never gets cleared), however the money is kept in a safe that i have the key to. I quickly realized that i can insert money from the safe into the slot machine, use the key to reset the balance, and those money would for all intents and purposes be out of the system and into my pocket with no evidence left behind.
However, i'm worried about any kind of anti-fraud system that may or may not be installed into the slot machine to prevent someone from doing this exact thing. The slot machine is a pretty modern looking one; i don't know much about slot machines or this particular model. All i know its that they keep an internal history of winnings and losses that i have to note in a register every night before closing.
How likely is that any such anti-fraud system exists?
Wyatt Reyes
It's almost certain you'll get caught. It's likely logging everything even if you think you can "clear" it, and thats only 1 of many ways in which you can get caught.
Wyatt Smith
Honestly, i'm just worried that it may log if i insert money without playing and immediately withdrawing them. What i'm taking money from its the money people lose at those slots, which i have full access to by just opening them up and collecting them. It will just look like winnings that i had to pay to the winner.
Connor Price
>trying to beat the house oh boy op you are going to get fucked.
even if you load the machine with money and clear it, you almost certainly have to be on camera. thus, if a shitload of money gets withdrawn from the safe and then a machine is emptied/substantially emptier without a jackpot, they're going to look at the tapes.
beyond that, almost all computerized slot machines have an audit menu. there is a "standard" audit menu with a resettable counters for things like jacpot and payout (like a Trip A/B on a car odometer) and then a master meter which cannot be reset. this includes coins in/out and total jackpot wins. your reset key doesn't clear this. most also count coins dispensed by the hopper, coins in, and when a cashout option is selected.
let's say you took a shitload of money from the safe and fed it through the front, then cashed out the balance. the cashout would be logged.
you are playing with fire.
there will not be a jackpot event in the audit log, which will be a red flag that you didn't actually pay anyone.
Jace Anderson
There is a jackpot, however its rarely won and i see people collectively lose a thousand dollars a night on those machines without even getting the smallest jackpot, let alone the biggest. The owners barely know how to play the slot machines, let alone view the audit by themselves. They come to pick up the money collected from the slots once a month or every two weeks (i only worked here a little over a week) and they just look at the register that i keep, and only check the actual counters if they think there should be more money. They aren't even coin operated, so i'm thinking of just using a large bill once a night before closing while it looks like i'm doing something else on the cameras (again, they don't even know how to check the cameras without help) and those money would just be shadowed by the other winnings and losses that night.
Bentley Scott
Also, the jackpot is only connected to a single slot machine (as far as i'm aware), and i can just other slot.
Camden Sanchez
I feel like an idiot, but I can't seem to understand how your plan works. Could you explain it in retard?
Ryan Nelson
Take money from the business' winnings from those slot machines, insert them into the slot like a client would, pay myself that money just like i would a client.
David Thomas
>Slot machine has logs of how many ot has paod and how much money it got over it's lifetime How will you get away with explaining that this lifetime log shows less money than there actually is? Just grab as much as you can and run away!
Henry Young
It will not show, because that counter will log those money as losses. Thats why i think i can get away with it
Camden Johnson
I see. Assuming it doesn't have another security measures that you ignore, and taking into account how naive your boss is when it comes to technology it might just work. But My family used to have a bar with some slot machines. What I would worry about is your boss keeping track of the money made from that machine since before you started. Even though it might seem like the money increases or decreases at random, truth is that those machines are pretty reliable assuming you have a constant number of people. It all evens out in the end. If you are cautious it might fly, but I'm telling you that money is something people notice missing. You are not the first one to come up with the idea, I'm sure. If you are the only one with access, and it is a side business of your boss, it might be more predictable than you think, making it noticeable if you take some. Ideally I would wait for a bit, see how stable the income is, and see if it would be missed.
Jack Gomez
I don't know exactly where you're working, but I would NOT even attempt something like this.
Not unless you want to find yourself in some deep shit. There's internal auditors in casinos, and external auditors, as well. They hold those jobs for a reason, and there's also a reason casinos have a tendency to treat workers as thieves by default.
Landon Perry
Well, when they take the money they reset their own "book keeping" to whatever sum they leave in the safe to make sure i have enough money to pay any winner. I do not think they are that cautious about this...and over how much money they make in one night, one small loss would not catch the eye. I wanna keep this job, so i'm not gonna just take out a lot of money...small sums here and there on weekends and busy nights
Luke Flores
>There's internal auditors in casinos, and external auditors, as well. They hold those jobs for a reason, and there's also a reason casinos have a tendency to treat workers as thieves by default. This. They will find out that money is missing, and it will be traced back to you. You shouldn't even think of pulling this kind of shit unless you want your asshole reamed.
Cameron Green
This is not a casino, just a place where u can gamble on football matches, dogs, lottery etc...and buy alcohol and sodas lol
Ethan Gomez
How much do the machines make? Can you recall the last times you counted it? To see how consistent they are.
Gabriel Robinson
Ever heard of security cameras ? Casinos love them.
Jonathan Watson
But doesn't machine have to register a "win" so counter wouldn't look suspicious?
Cameron Green
I need to count it every night to make sure money dont get stuck somewhere in the pipes or if money is missing. So im doing all the counting and keeping
Carter Allen
you're certainly the first person to have ever thought of this op im sure it will work out dandy, send me a post card from the Bahamas once youve bought your own island
Chase Wilson
They register "wins" (money that dont get paid out) when others play and lose
Jonathan Bell
Im not the only one, but i may be the only one in a place where they can actually pull it off ;)
Alexander Sanchez
As I said, I don't know where you're working. But where I am, if I were in your position, I wouldn't be dumb enough to think I'm the only one counting said money. Seriously, don't fuck up your job and your life because you have a temptation for sticky fingers.
Jonathan Hughes
>OP wants to steal from a casino Is an extra $300 every week REALLY worth possibly getting fucked by Jamal for 15 years?
Colton Robinson
True...i'll find out more and decide if i can do it or not
James Smith
Can they charge me if i dobt have any legal contract? Cuz i dont
Chase Hernandez
Seriously, I wouldn't fuck with a business in which the goal is to scam people out of their money. Surely they know a thing or two about fraud and will certainly catch you. It's not worth the risk.
Jeremiah Collins
How's about not even considering it? It's not worth it.
Yes, yes they can. Don't be stupid. Just say, if one person happened to live in a place (in the us) where Gaming is fairly lax, it would still be VERY easy to catch a thief doing what you're thinking of. If you live in a place where gaming isn't as common, than Gaming DOES scrutinize a lot more. People doing things like this are why casino workers have a tendency to be watched VERY closely.
Evan Green
Don't feel bad if slots machine cheats Everybody know that the house always win. You play slots just for fun.
Noah Robinson
Thanks for the advice
Joseph Hughes
Assume you aren't the only one who goes into the machine and checks the logs. You would also be on camera blatantly cycling money from the slot machine back into it. Once someone finds something off, you'll be the first person they question. Then when they check the tapes, you go to jail.
Hunter Miller
>Can they charge me if i dobt have any legal contract? Cuz i dont I thought you might be retarded, but you just gave away that you are baiting. Hang yourself.
Gavin Hernandez
I worked surveillance in a casino, everything that machine does is logged. Everything. I've caught tons of techs/attendants trying to steal, money is so carefully tracked (as per government regulations) it would be noticed and investigated within the week.
You can steal, but you won't get away with it.
David Bennett
If you've thought of a way to scam them, they have already thought of that, and a way to counter it or catch it. You aren't smart. You will get caught.
Angel Hernandez
The fact that a supermarket can easily track with Hawkeye when a clerk puts a penny in their pocket instead of the till, you have no chance with this
It's not worth it, but if you insist its your own retarded choice
Lucas Morales
You're not the first person to think of this, and since the loss potential is so big you'd have to be a fool to think they don't have multiple protections in place from their own employees handling money in a casino.
Aaron Miller
Nice job posting this on the internet where this can be used as evidence when they prosecute you.
Caleb Rodriguez
Anonynous much?
Dylan Morris
People certainly haven't ever had their information handed over to authorities on Sup Forums, never!
Now post that you're going to attack a school at a certain date and see what happens
Owen Ward
Op is asian
Ethan James
I hope you haven't posted this using your home or phone connection, OP
Jace Stewart
the anti-fraud system is called 'math'
Luis Collins
Have fun when cousin vinny pays you a visit.
Tyler Baker
It's an extra 1200 a month. It's not worth going to prison for but it's a good sum nevertheless.
Jacob Campbell
You're a their and I'd cut your hand off myself.
William Green
Perish that thought or thy find yourself in prison
Isaiah White
I don't get what you mean, I am another retard. So you take the money from the safe. You put it in a slot, meaning what? Inserting it to play? And then you take it out from machine? I don't get it. Why do you even need to put it into machine, if there is no accounting for the business' winning. Just put it right into pocket. I don't get the whole model, how everything works.
Mason Smith
>all these pussy ass moralfags Do it OP. Don't let the permavirgins ITT tell you what to do.
Jeremiah Adams
I'm pretty sure they have an anti-fraud system, it's called security cameras and guards watching you.
Asher Hall
no guards...god, this isnt a casino
Thomas Adams
we have FOBT machines in the UK, but still if you are working in a betting shop or bar im sure the owner has cctv
Camden Lee
Stop being a dirty thief. I guarantee you that you aren't some smart guy that has found a loop hole, you will get caught. These places are disgned to make money and keep money and a stupid little thief employee won't get away with it. But if you do try it will be amusing
Luis Rogers
If they can't afford that they get the lesser version called 'quick math'
Xavier Flores
Ridiculous plan. Highly likely you are overlooking something or you are blissfully unaware of important details that are likely to result in you getting caught.
My advice would be to quit this job before the temptation gets the better of you.
Landon Long
You will most definitely be caught. Everything single action gets audited. They probably have log monitoring rules for your exact scenario described.
Matthew Sullivan
this image reminds me of goatse
Adam Miller
Don't do it OP, It looks too easy.
There used to be an employee at my company that thought the same thing with something similar. We do notice it, thief's start small, then work their way up, taking bigger and bigger amounts thinking they will never get caught.
It's not worth it user, there are better ways to earn your living. You don't want a reputation as a thief.
Kayden Williams
Okay OP here's your issue.
Assume new safe for easy sake. Assume $200 in safe. No winnings in lifetime logs machine thinks $200 should be there You open safe, take $200 out > $0 in safe, close safe. No winnings in log machine thinks $200 in safe, but balance is now $0 so -$200 difference You put the $200 in machine and then withdraw so now since you withdrawed (won) the lifetime logs say $200 in winnings but $400 in safe so $200 withdawn and $200 in safe. There is only $200 though so -$200.
You just got fucked.
Let me know where you life so I can read about your arrest on the news.
Lucas Myers
They'll catch you. I worked for IGT for five years.
Aaron Young
quads and trips tell the truth op
but do it anyway, i'd love to see the headline lmao
Connor Davis
there is easier fraud than fucking with gambling don't be a thief
Mason Lewis
This isnt even making sense. So you want to steal money from the safe by feeding it though the slot machine? Congratulations, the records now show that there is $200 instead of $100.
Ethan Thompson
Your integrity is worth more than a few bucks from a slot machine.
In all seriousness, casinos are proffessional scammers. Be careful when trying to scam scammers.
Lucas Walker
be real, opnigger doesnt have "integrity" or even the concept of it.
Adrian Gonzalez
A bar owner in my town had a slot hijacked by some worker who kept using the same coin (withdrawing it from the opened safe) until he hit jackpot
They found him the nex day and fined something like 500,000.00€
Just an fyi
Also I had a calculus teacher back in university, he used to work as an auditor of the payback formulae to check if they were fair according to gambling's law I'll will never forget what he once told us about slot machines, it was
"STAY THE FUCK OUT OF SLOT MACHINES YOU PIECES OF SHIT, IF I EVER SEE ONE OF YOU PLAY AT THOSE YOU WILL NOT PASS MY EXAM EVER, GODDAMMIT!"