Which was the worst thing to happen to western civilisation, the French Revolution or World War 1?

Which was the worst thing to happen to western civilisation, the French Revolution or World War 1?

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the Anglos

your mum

The World War was gonna happen either way.
Better then over say now (sorry if I sound selfish).

KEK-ISM
And keynesian economics
And arabs

The USA

COMMUNISM

It's existence.

The French Revolution was worse

this

The adoption of Keynesian economics

Probably the French Revolution though

The french revolution was a fucking lie they killed their pussy kings to put some pussy cuck bureaucrats instead samefag

and jews too

If you niggers hadn't gone on a crusade to slay Poles there wouldn't have been a problem

I think the second world war fucked everything up. It made the countries left in ruins vulnerable to communism and weakened Europe drastically to the point where some powers lost their colonies. European nationalism also died in that war because Germany ruined it for everyone.

Keeping in mind that it all went downhill from there: WW1.
Modern days: Feminism.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process
>Haber, with his assistant Robert Le Rossignol, developed the high-pressure devices and catalysts needed to demonstrate the Haber process at laboratory scale.[6][7] They demonstrated their process in the summer of 1909
>the Haber process is mainly used to produce fertilizer today


>German makes it easier for third worlders to grow food
>there is suddenly an explosion in the non white population
Why are Germans always trying to destroy Western civilization

Jews

Germany didn't ruin nationalism, it was the Americans forcing collective guilt on them after the war that fucked everything up.

>Due to its dramatic impact on the human ability to grow food, the Haber process served as the "detonator of the population explosion", enabling the global population to increase from 1.6 billion in 1900 to today's 7 billion.[20] Nearly 80% of the nitrogen found in human tissues originated from the Haber-Bosch process.

The more you know...

This. Seriously, the late 40s and the 50s were literally the best years for a white male, especially in the US.
Americans fucked it all up 15-20 years after the war.

I like how the data for 2150 is a question mark but the data for 2100 and 2050 are fairly unambiguous.

Because we know the current median age and birth rates of those nations so it is fairly easy to work out.

World War II, no contest.

Right, I just thought the comparison is funny. Also, it wouldn't intersect the x-axis, it would approach zero asymptotically.

WWI. For sure. The French revolution brought nationalism. WWI broke out because the cancer known as the nobles tried to defy nationalism and continue their imperialist perversions. Had it not been for the British empire and their (often jewish) nobles backing the outdated imperial doctrine that no European power was allowed to properly win a war and challenge their might, Europe would be beautiful right now.

the existence of germany
even tho i liked german posters, fuck germany

>the jews are responsible for britain not voluntarily rolling over and letting germany win the war

>muh jews
Autistic retard

Why the fuck should Britain have joined the second Franco-Prussian war anyway? To kill 17 million white men just so that Prussia couldn't get too much power in continental Europe and get a say in international trade? The British entry into the war was clearly based in people who had no concern for British lives or the future of Britain. The British entry was solely business. War profiteering, market dominance. Why would a British national sympathetic to the British cause ever get behind something like that on their own? Are we just going to pretend there wasn't a powerful British nobility not of British descent that lobbied for the Brits to join? Are we just going to pretend history is whatever the mainstream tells us, even though every fact points elsewhere?

>wake up sheeple

It's not retarded or autistic.
I'm not especially antisemitic, as in I'm sure I would be friends with a Jew if I ever met one, I like jew writers, musicians, and such, I wouldn't promote the killing of Jews, etc. But, I 100% believe that Jewish culture is the root cause of decline in western civilisation, both today and historically.

Letting women vote. They gave the niggers rights and now are gonna get all the white men killed while they turn the world into a safe zone, too fuck niggers of course.

That only makes it more retarded

>This guy literally cannot comprehend the concept of limiting the expansion of influence of foreign power to preserve your own power
By your logic jews are behind the USA opposing the spread of communism through the Cold War.

Adolf Hitler was the worst

I thought he was cool. Let granpa shlomo live and shower at his place for years, rent free!

Autistic and retarded

We joined the war to protect Belgium, it was stupid and dear God I wish we just stayed out of that hell but we had promised to protect them and the Germans went marching through there knowing this.

Not really. Jews just have a very unique history that created a culture which wasn't historically healthy for Europe.
It's not their fault, and I don't believe in a sinister Jewish zinionist cabal, that's actively trying to destroy the world and enslave goyim.
I just think that Jewish values are coincidentally at odds with traditional western values, but due to the success of Jews in key industries like media or finance that culture is incredibly pervasive and has largely replaced traditional western values.

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Letting people not loyal to the common cause of the independent nation states influence the votes of women and conformists in a 'democratic' society was the main disaster. It was never going to work, and the people who lobbied for it didn't even want it to work. They came from many backgrounds, but all had a single idea in common - globalism.

This czech globalist capitalist basic fuck doesn't realize "power" is a fallacy. Are we talking prosperity, progress and wealth, or influence? Because the Brits would have kept their influence. What they feared was that a nationalist Prussian socialist continent would cause a boom in prosperity for the British lower orders at the expense of the globalist elite. An upswing in nationalist socialist sentiment would arise, and the British elite would get mashed under the leather boots of the expanding, wealthy, nationalist, anti-semitic middle class. I'm not saying the Brits entering the war wasn't about maintaining power. I'm just saying the people that wanted to maintain the British power weren't the British people, but a small international clique that feared the Prussian ideas. Or the French ones for that matter. Make no mistake, Britain would have backed Prussia if they believed the French would be the ones to deal the walk over victory.

okay

The Germans gambled. They were too naive in both wars. Too naive to know the British nobility would rather see a genocide of the British populace than the decline of trade dominance for the British elite. Belgium was a voluntary show-piece. You could have said "fuck that" and gone home. Watch the Prussians beat the French, beat the communists, and get so powerful they could make demands and spread their nationalist socialist ideas to Britain. In retrospect at least, the war was a total disaster for the British people, but a great success for the 'british' elite, at least the generations that didn't have to live through WWII.

Ok now as a Jew let me tell you why that's retarded

1. Jewish culture is mostly western, nothing about it as at odds with the west. If you believe so give me an example

2. The things you think are part of Jewish culture that are negative exist in many cultures and aren't unique to Jews

3. Trying to be a logical person while also none ironically believing Jews are the cause of all problems only makes you seem dumber

I don't even like Jews desu but they aren't much different from med whites, Arabs who aren't muzzies, or even Hispanics. Without Jews you would still have rape, muffed, theft, etc; just like history always has with or without kikes

Protestantism, Enlightenment, rationalism, democracy, feminism, nationalism, liberalism, egalitarianism, secularism, socialism, utilitarianism.

It's all cancer coming from the same source.

This

1. An example? Anti-nationalism. Globalism. Overwhelming support for the globalist left (marxists etc.) vs. nationalist left. Strong believers in either unregulated globalist capitalism or a globalist communist super-state. Believers in semitic obedience to absolution over 'aryan' existentialism and making our own fates (and the reason I have to write 'aryan', not aryan). Whenever I read an article in Swedish arguing for multi-culturalism, an article defending a war of the genders or classes instead of national unity and abolition of differences, whenever I read an article arguing how "women are born to cuck" or whatever Jewish-influenced bullshit you're spewing, it's always a Rosenberg, a Wolodarski, a Klein, a Steinman. You're simply not loyal to the future and prosperity of the nation you're living in. You believe in individualism and manipulation, whereas the westerners used to worship collectivism and co-operation. Your culture is based on survival in a world that wanted you dead, your culture is based in the necessary evil. Don't get me wrong, you should have your own country, a nation-state you're loyal to, but you've proven time and time again you're not loyal to the west.

2. True. Jews are just over-represented. There's no Jewish conspiracy. The majority of the people claiming this is Jews trying to accuse their opposition of paranoia.

3. No one said "all the problems". No one but you would claim there's some retarded Jewish conspiracy. We're just saying you have a cronyist culture that is undermining the future of our species for the sake of your short sighted perception of your own future. We're not saying you promote rape or corruption. We're just saying that a lot of you are unintentionally causing it.

>enlightenment
>rationalism
>some form of democracy
>nationalism
>liberalism
>egalitarianism
>socialism
So... You want to get Khan'd again?

Do you think the World Wars should be considered a single conflict called the second Thirty Years war?

>The "Second Thirty Years' War"[a] is a disputed periodization sometimes used by historians to encompass the wars in Europe from 1914 to 1945. It is used to emphasize the period as a whole.

>Just as the Thirty Years' War (1618–48) was not a single war but a series of conflicts in varied times and locations, later organized and named by historians into a single period, the Second Thirty Years' War has been seen as a "European Civil War" fought over the problem of Germany exacerbated by new ideologies such as communism, fascism and nazism.[1]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Thirty_Years'_War

>1. Jewish culture is mostly western, nothing about it as at odds with the west. If you believe so give me an example
Jewish culture has become western. It didn't start out that way. Traditionally in the west land and name= wealth, in Jewish culture money=wealth. Europe had many powerful monarchs who were broke and buried in debts, but they had land and that gave them power. Jews traditionally consider themselves seperate from the lands and natives of the countries they inhabited, they weren't invested in them, I don't blame them, it wasn't uncommon that they could be kicked out at any time and needed portable wealth like cash and jewels.
If you were a wealthy landowner from England and a local man from the village approached you asking fir money to start a bakery, you loaned him the right amount of money and helped him, because you cared about the village. Your ancestors had cared about the village, they had lorded over it, fought and died alongside it tenants, for centuries. You were invested in community and wanted the best for it and its people.
Once Jews took over finance, they would loan you as much money as they could not fir investment in the community, but for interest, something banned from Christains as usury.
There's just one example

>2. The things you think are part of Jewish culture that are negative exist in many cultures and aren't unique to Jews
Maybe

>med whites, Arabs who aren't muzzies, or even Hispanics.
Yes, but none of these people control finance and media in the age of globalisation and mega-banking. Jews do
And I'm not blaming Jews for theft or rape, those are barbarian things, Jewish things are self preservation rather than sacrifice for a land you are personally and historically invested in.

If so, we could say the second thirty year war was lost by Europe and won by globalists. Despite the efforts of so many.

Muß es sein?

1. You're just as stupid as him, only more crazy. None of those things is "Jewish", which was the point of my original post you giant moron

2. That's retarded, most people who push the Jewish conspiracy aren't Jews...

3. He said Jews are the root of the decline of the west, that would imply we're the cause of all problems.
I also never said I believe in a Jewish conspiracy, that's beyond retarded, much like your posts.

My family were Jews that fought against communism for their country before coming to Israel, so please stop making yourself look like a fucking idiot with how sure you are no Jews are nationalist

1. Most Jews are western now, I don't think the past should be held against them. Anyway the usury thing was done by Jews yes, but it isn't Jewish and is done by everyone else now too.

2. Jews don't control those things, they're just over represented. The average Jew isn't in those fields and the average man in those fields isn't Jewish.

You're blaming Jews for the decay of the west but I think the world decayed and that includes Jews. There have been shitty and good people all throughout history and there always will be. Jewish culture isn't usury or banks, it's Judaism and Hebrew. It's traditions and history. Nothing about Jewish culture has anything to do with the quests decline, in fact most of the lefty and communism supporting Jews often are self hating and have nothing to do with Jewish culture. Most of them dislike Israel too.

He nailed it though. Traditionally Europe's foundations stand on nationalism. Deep love, pride, connection to, and investment in, one's nation.
Historically this isn't true of Jews except in the case of the Promised Land.
Of course there have been Jews who fought and died for a country, but largely Jews are not as connected to the countrirs they inhabit, at least not in the same way that the native Europeans are.

Our defeat in the world wars.

We tried to save you senpai.

Wrong again, once more every man in my family fought in the army of the countries they came from.

If Europeans were so nationalistic then a majority of them wouldn't support communism and today's leftism, which blame the Jews for it all you want but the Europeans still went along.

But anyway the argument here isn't whether Jews are nationalistic, which I'm sure a majority are not. The argument you guys have is that Jews are responsible for the wears decline, which is just stupid nigger tier white devil shit.

Historically this isn't true of Jews except in the case of the Promised Land.
Of course there have been Jews who fought and died for a country, but largely Jews are not as connected to the countrirs they inhabit, at least not in the same way that the native Europeans are.

wha

there were lots of jews who served in ww1 and other european conflicts my man

>Historically this isn't true of Jews except in the case of the Promised Land.
>Of course there have been Jews who fought and died for a country, but largely Jews are not as connected to the countrirs they inhabit, at least not in the same way that the native Europeans are.

wha

there were lots of jews who served in ww1 and other european conflicts my man

1. Does it matter if the torah specifies these things? If they are overwhelmingly promoted by a rich jewish elite, and would never have survived in Europe otherwise, should we just pretend there's nothing connecting Jews to these ideologies? Without Jews (cultural Jews, not racial or religious) and similar peoples that had to flee and defend themselves through ideology by living hidden in other countries, we wouldn't have globalism, and we'd have colonized our solar system by now. By letting you into the west, we doomed ourselves. Israel would have been a great idea to stop this process if it wasn't for the fact that you still remain in Sweden, and run organizations supposed to teach us about how multiculturalism is great and how Swedes prosper from destroying themselves. Just imagine if someone did that to you.

2. No. Most people who push the Jewish conspiracy don't exist. They're an air castle. How many non-jews have you heard that claim there's an actual Jewish conspiracy? None, right? Now, how many Jews or judaeophiles have you heard that claim that their opposition - the 'anti-semites' - believes there's a Jewish conspiracy? All the more. I know, thinking two steps is too difficult for most. It seems impossible for people to imagine someone could claim someone is claiming something erroneously, erroneously. It hurts their little brains to think the people claiming there's a jewish conspiracy are the real conspiracy. The real paranoid myth.

3. "The root of the decline" shouldn't be interpreted as an absolution. And likewise, you shouldn't interpret the claim that Jews are over-represented in the globalist ideologies as the bizarre claim that no jews are nationalists.

Including my family, I also served with plenty of ex marines from America that were Jews and came to serve here too. The idea that Jews don't serve is retarded, shit my cousin back in the states is in the military now.

>The average Jew isn't in those fields and the average man in those fields isn't Jewish.
Even if this was true, if a minority of the globalist ideology were wealthy Jews, they, through their wealth, could easily have tipped the scales in favour of agressive globalism.

And the worst part is, it isn't true. In the 1960's in Sweden, the MAJORITY of editorials that backed globalism in the 10 largest Swedish newspapers were written by Jews. In the German civil war in the 1920's and -30's, a majority of the globalist/marxist/stalinist leaders were Jews,whereas the vast majority of the leaders that didn't want to create a German soviet republic were non-jews.

But you're right. Traditional Jewish culture has little to do with this. The same harm would have been done by any persecuted wealthy minority living in a 'host' nation. It isn't about Jews as much as it is about the situation the Jews found themselves in.

>every man in my family fought in the army of the countries they came from.
That's nice, but also anecdotal. How did your family end up in Israel anyway? Might be they were all holocausted or pogromed out and had no where else, but we both know that for many tney simply went there because they felt a closer connection to other Jews than to the countries they lived in.

>If Europeans were so nationalistic then a majority of them wouldn't support communism and today's leftism
The media has pushed the anti nationalistic sentiments, the predominantly Jewish run media
>which blame the Jews for it all you want but the Europeans still went along
You got me there
>But anyway the argument here isn't whether Jews are nationalistic, which I'm sure a majority are not.
Exactly, the majority aren't, the majority of historic Europeans are
>The argument you guys have is that Jews are responsible for the wears decline
We actually probably agree about most things, tne only difference being you think Jews are yet another unfortunate passenger on this train, and I suspect tbat they were, inadvertently, the ones who set much of it in motion.

1. I highly doubt the Torah teaches this but most the globalist Jews are atheist and self hating. None of the Jews in the elite care about Judaism. In fact not even most Jews in Israel do. The people you're referring too are leftists, they aren't exclusively Jewish. They exist in nearly every country including those without Jews. Plenty of those type of people, a majority even, are not Jews.

2. Are you actually crazy? I've heard the conspiracy plenty of times from rednecks in the south in real life and have never heard it from a Jew. What planet do you live in?

3. You both claim Jews are to blame for the decline, I say that's retarded, the argument isn't even whether Jews are nationalist, leftist, good or bad. It's a fact, that they aren't too blame for this "decline" you feel and it is also a fact anyone who truly believes so can't be intelligent.

>The same harm would have been done by any persecuted wealthy minority living in a 'host' nation. It isn't about Jews as much as it is about the situation the Jews found themselves in.

100% this. As I said in tne beginning, Jews had a unique, and unfortunate, history that caused a cultural rift between themselves and Europe. But, Jews were in key positions of finance, politics/lobbyists, and media, that allowed their culture to become the dominate one as time wore on. A culture of self preservation, and even at its most altruistic, of globalism over nationalism.

>The media has pushed the anti nationalistic sentiments, the predominantly Jewish run media

if the jews run the media than how come the rate of jewish holiday specials is low compared to christian specials? the last jewish themed holiday special that wasn't aimed at kids was stuff like eight crazy nights where as networks like TBN constantly push out material and indie companies also put out Christian-themed material

Creating Germany as country. A grave mistake.

I agree with most of what you said here actually. Something smart you said is "The same harm would have been done by any persecuted wealthy minority living in a 'host' nation." which is my main point, but I still disagree with you about the majority of those leftists run medians being Jews.

I hate sharing this story. My Grandmother moved to Israel from Poland after she went to a catholic school and was pointed out by a nun in class as being a Christ killer. They actually didn't feel Israeli and wished they could live in Europe in peace. So in my case you're wrong and to this day I don't feel Israeli.


Anyway I don't think we'll agree here as I'm not sure why you think Jews are the ones that set the train in motion, that's extremely odd for someone who isn't anti semetic or believes in Jewish conspiracies. You need to read a bit about ancient cultures and you'll see pretty much all declined at some point with no help of the Jews.

Serving in the army is not the same as serving your nation. You can kill a hundred Iraqis and go back to the U.S. and write about how the west shouldn't dream and needs diversity to survive in the New York Times in a position that some Mr. Goldberg gave you because your last name was also Jewish.

1. My point is the torah doesn't preach any of this. Ashkenazi secular culture is not based heavily in the torah.

2. I've never heard anyone claim the jews are meeting behind closed doors in an organized conspiracy. Maybe the "jews did 9/11" comes close. I have however heard loads of jews and globalist-leftists who claim that "stormfags" or whatever they call their opposition makes such claims. And this is where your intelligence fails you;

A German claims the French believe in conspiracy theories about Germans planning to attack them.
Easy to follow right?

A German claims the French claim the Germans believe in conspiracy theories about the French planning to attack the Germans.
Suddenly, you're confused. Well, the latter is my point. Jewish and Jewish-allied political groups claim their opposition, 'anti-semites' and such, believe the Jews are meeting behind closed doors, conspiring against the anti-semites. The aforementioned, however, have little to back their bold accusations.

Continental philosophy.

Fuck you France. And Germany, a little.

fuck off kikey.

I have to say this.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Feminists_by_religion
hmmm, really makes you think..

Only an American thinks I mean Hollywood holiday specials when I say media.

Media goes much deeper and in this case involves schools of thought taught via art or textbooks in schools, universities, and communities.
And no, Jews don't control all the media, the internet for example, and what do we see 1 generation into the digital age? Nationalism on the rise again. Because, again, that's the de facto setting for Europeans, that's what's most natural to them. That's the core if what it means to be western.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process
Wow, it literally was the fucking Germans again!

1. My family loved their countries and weren't leftists, they're Ashkenazi and secular and so are most the leftists. Once again Jews can be religious, cultural, or neither. Most the leftists Jews are neither.

2. I've literally heard the new conspiracy from resnecks and Muslims in person before. I lived in the US for a while and don't look Jewish so people say things around me. I've never had a Jew even talk to me about Jew conspiracies. You believing Jews conspire to tell everyone that they conspire against them with a theory that the Jews conspire everything doesn't even make sense and is ironic because that's technically a Jewish conspiracy. So are you trying to tell me you're Jewish?

We gave seen similar things occurring in ancient China and Persia. In short, you can't expect a persecuted minority with a lot of power to use that power to the benefit of the people who persecute them. The best way to avoid this mutual destruction is to let the persecuted, powerful minority get their own place, with no power over their past 'hosts'...

You measure Jewish media dominance in the west based on Jewish holiday specials?

>but I still disagree with you about the majority of those leftists run medians being Jews.
Yes, in Sweden today Jews may be over-represented, but a lot of them (esp. the religious ones) have reacted to the recent increase in violence and threats and are supporting Swedish nationalists today. In the past, statistically, in Germany, the majority of the globalist leftist revolutionary leadership was Jewish. That is a historic fact. The kids of these people tipped public opinion in Sweden, and their kids in turn are lobbying in the EU and U.S. today. But after their springboard activities into globalism, the post-Stalin (and mostly post-Jewish) soviets replaced the Jewish majority, and later their Swedish creation replaced them as they collapsed here in Sweden. But, my point remains, that without Jews, globalist ideas would never have gotten a foothold in Europe to begin with.

first post AND dubs
double confirm

The revolution.

That's honestly a shame. Can't say I'm surprised to hear that about a mid 20th century Polish papist though.

La république tombe, l'ideals de égalité, fraternité tombe c'est l'heure pour la jour de le corde pêh
>Vive le roi de france

the french revolution was Actually Good, so i gotta go with WWI

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We agree on a lot here, but I don't think globalism would've stayed out of Europe without Jews. I don't even think Jews started it, remember ancient Babylonia? Now most Jews in Europe aren't leftists globalist after seeing their Islamic result.

Yeah the story makes me sad, she said she cried and ran home after that. I can't even imagine being a post holocaust era Jew pointed out as one in front of the whole class by a nun.

Anyway, I'm pretty right wing and so is most my family. We feel European and hate the globalist movement. I know many Jews like us. I actually would like to move out of Israel as I don't feel Israeli

>the French Revolution was actually good

So what makes you think Jews control anything? the majority of jews I encountered live in average lives and Israel seems liked a mediocore nation and not some oasis paradise. The people who created the first communist country were soviets, and there were plenty of people who thought of communist-like ideas before Marx existed like Plato

Which is a result of imperialism, which is a result of globalism.

I just want to blame globalism really.

1. No one claims all Jews are globalists. If men are more prone to rape, it doesn't mean all men are rapists. That's third wave feminist logic. What we're saying is the ashkenazim influenced media and finance, and that a majority of the ashkenazim that did this promoted globalism for the west, be it globalist-capitalism or globalist-communism. This wasn't because "hurr jews are evil", but because Jews were disliked for their religion, and their ideology and philosophy was shaped by their desire to survive. The best way for a wealthy, hated minority to survive and get more power, is through globalism. Then again, this was mostly the Jewish upper class. I doubt Jewish farmers cared that much about politics at all...

2. Claiming nationalists believe there's a Jewish conspiracy isn't a conspiracy on its own. It's an echo chamber and a circle jerk. You spend a lot of time in a comfy isolated pond of your own opinions and you'll re-enforce each other. "You know anyone who disagrees with us probably believes there's a jewish conspiracy! They're all evil and want to kill us and stuff!". You know, basic tribalism. Basic circle jerk. Basic us and them. It's just that one side (the 'nationalists') are a minority, and have to think a bit more out of the box. Whoever is the majority can get away with so much more stupid shit, so much more paranoia. But honestly, how many people could you seriously convince there's a solid Jewish conspiracy, and not just a lot of angry globalist Jews? Who could you convince there's a conspiracy involving 14 million people that all manage to miraculously keep their conspiracy a secret? Very few people are that stupid. But it's a lot less stupid to get fooled into believing someone else is that stupid....

Look I see your point but I just don't think it true. I've seen plenty of none Jews say it and have never seen a Jew say it. Plus I doubt the wealthy globalist Jews vistin Sup Forums or even care about conspiracies online, it's really doesn't effect them.

Platos 5 regimes put aristocracy at the top, aristocracy similar to that of what we saw in fuedal Europe.
Jews were overwhelmingly attracted to Bolshiveks, again, not because they are evil or for any nonsense ZOG conspiracy, but because the ruling aristocracy kept pogroming them.
The same aristocracy led by Russian monarchists (an aristocracy), which is what I have been arguing is the natural state of Europeans.

I don't mean to derail the topics here but what do you think about the presence of semetic religions like Christianity and Judaism in Europe? Do you prefer semite religions or secularism/paganism? I personally don't like nation wide secularism and I don't think paganism is that appealing at all even though I've seen some people try to push it.

Christianity mostly failed in Europe, it didn't catch on outside the Mediterranean until around 500, almost immediately suffered a large rift in the form of Orthodoxy, then another split in the form of protestantism, and now Europe is predominantly secular. It was fairly short lived in that regard often marked by wars and scandal.
Having said that, the art, architecture, music, etc, of Europe are inexorably linked to the Christain faith, and I think that like the Jewish poster itt, it was Christianity that led Europeans to mistreat Jews and create the situation the Swede mentioned where a persecuted but wealthy and influential minority, were forced to fight back.

Personally I think European style Christianity mostly promotes positive values and can be a strong force for good within any community.

>but I don't think globalism would've stayed out of Europe without Jews
I think it would have. If a very small minority of a state makes out an absolute majority of the globalists, then it is difficult to dispute that without this very small, very powerful minority, these ideas would have faced the same fate as anarchism. Laughed at and ignored. Again, this powerful minority could have been the chinese. Doesn't have to be jews. As long as they serve themselves over the common good, it is inevitable. Of course I would argue semitic philosophy in general is harmful to anyone. Especially if science is involved. I'd argue 'aryanism', or the existentialist "kingdom of god is within man" stuff, the secular spiritualism and belief in the free will of man over the definite 'purpose' and 'morale' (whatever that is), is more compatible with progressive collectivist nationalism. But that's a different story.

What makes me think globalists, wherein Jews are extremely over-represented, control the west? Stats. Who owns the bank? Who owns the largest media empires? You might ask why. And the answer is simple. Cronyism, the nation within the nation, the promotion of friends and culturally similar persons. In an unregulated system, the minority that looks out for their own will inevitably dominate the people that think they're looking out for everyone in the system. Also Plato had some SOCIALIST ideas yes. But strongly nationalist socialist ideas, more comparable to national socialism (nazism) than globalist socialism like communism.

In Sweden, I've seen far more jews and globalist-leftist claim the nationalists believe in a jewish conspiracy than I've seen actual nationalists say they themselves believe that stuff. It's just another run-of-the-mill shitsmear. But as Voltaire said, even lies and ironic jokes will attract idiots who think they're in good company...

Monarchist aristocracies are not the natural state of Europe. It's a way to avoid the natural nation-state in favour of globalist-imperialism..

Semitic philosophy didn't harm us too much until it was applied to the inevitably post-religious scientific societies. Pre-semitic indo-european/'aryan' thought would have served us much better. Secular spiritualism, morale rather than moralism, existentialism, Zarathustra, Nietzsche, Wagner, all that would have broken our shackles. Semitic absolution keeps us as obedient pets to whatever conformist ideas are currently comme il faut. Here in Sweden, the main argument against nationalist progressives is still "how dare you deviate from the current norm and moralism!". A heritage from semitic absolution and the belief in the definitive cause.

Europe existed and flourished under monarchies and the aristocracy from prehistory until very recently when globalism broke out.

What makes you think they aren't the natural setting for Europe?

It's funny, in america, most of the christians here have developed into being pro-israel, even some of the cathloc ones, I think semetic religion is good because it unites the people under a common and usually altruistic goal imo

Russian Revolution

Because the parts that really flourished didn't obey strict monarchy. Especially not the feudalism the Russians had. Monarchy existed with limited success in parts of continental Europe from the 700's to the 1700's. The nobility served themselves, not the nation. They became another caste similar to the Jewry. Often, the Jewry was nobility. What was succesful about monarchs was that all eyes were on them. But the pressure to perform well was invertedly proportional to the power of the monarch. The more distanced he or she felt to the populace, the worse he performed. Sweden had a long history of 'good' monarchs. Because they were poor, and the farmers rich. They knew that they would obey and serve the interest of the people, or the people would put their heads on poles. In wars, that led the Swedes to places like Poland and Germany, the populace would often celebrate the Swedish kings as liberators from the feudal slavery and the pope. But on several occasions, the most famous being Charles XII in Poland, the people would not believe they had greeted the actual king, because he looked so ordinary, and would complain to the Swedish army for tricking them. I'm not saying all people are fit to vote, or to view media with a critical eye. I'm just saying the requirements for influence over the nation-state should not be whether your dad was inbred and educated. And the goal of the people who fit the requirements should be to breed and educate a populace that needs no requirements, because they will all be fit to rule.

I agree with that. Like I said, modern Christains are usually good people and I like the sense of community and philanthropy that comes from the churches, but barring something drastic, secularism is the future of the west.

No, I much prefer the modern form of Constitutional monarchies and I don't think it's an accident that the majority of heavyweight contenders for the title "best country on earth to live in" are constitutional monarchies.

*The second Russian revolution. The tsar and his system of slavery and feudalism had to go. But the day-old democratic government should have replaced him. Not the bolshevik globalist mass murderers. That the Prussians backed. In order to end the war in the east. So they could focus on the war in the west. That they hadn't won yet because the British joined the French to prevent a continental power from getting too much influence and spread their nationalist socialist ideas to the islands.

I know it's easier to be ignorant and pretend the tsar was a good guy if your ancestors haven't felt his policies first hand.

The reason they're constitutional monarchies is because their monarch was always so weak there was no reason to revolt against him.

The countries that are worse off today, with no monarch, used to have an all-powerful monarch and an extremely powerful aristocracy, that the people revolted against. Like the Russian empire, France, etc.

The nations that still have a monarch are the ones where the monarch had little monarch, and he or she has survived through the nationalist era, because he or she was a token, a symbol of the nation, rather than an all-powerful leader, that any nationalist state would have cut the head of off given the chance. Britain did not have an all-powerful monarch, the Dutch didn't, neither did the Danes. So their monarchies survived. It isn't because of the monarch these nations are prosperous today. It is because he or she had limited power compared to the now monarch-free nations. I'm not saying a monarch with limited power couldn't have been a good thing in the 1600's because they probably were, given how slow communication was and how unorganized leadership was. But today, we don't need monarchs, we need a fundamental belief in the sovereignty and mutual respect of nation states, and that all people should serve them over their own instant pleasures.

people are just naturally religious, the difference is that in semite religions, you form religions around beings that are better than humanity and try to guide it in a more wholesome direction with values like caring for your neighbor, helping the poor, abstaining from drugs, defending your tribe, and giving meaning to people. In secular nations, people are still religious and will eventually form personality cults around people who are imperfect and will probably try to fight for their own gain, like Stalin and Mao.

People are naturally spiritual. But you can not convince people to obey a semitic myth and expect them to be taught science in school at the same time. Secular beliefs must replace the semitic myths. We almost made that happen once. Now we're just applying semitic logic to secular globlalist individualism and capitalism. "EVERYONE HAS EQUAL RIGHTS! EVERYONE IS WORTH THE SAME! EVERYONE WAS BORN EQUAL! I SHOULD ONLY CARE ABOUT MYSELF! GROUPS, ORGANIZATIONS AND AMBITIONS THAT AREN'T ABOUT ME ARE BAD!". If we don't crush this post-semitic philosophy and replace it with something more akin to secular spiritualism, existentialism, and 'aryanism', it will crush us.