Why shouldn't they be allowed to join Russia if the majority of the population wants it?

Why shouldn't they be allowed to join Russia if the majority of the population wants it?

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You're right, we should dismantle Austria and Belgium.

i dont think majority of Austrian citizens want to join Germany

It's Ukrainian territory and is being illegally occupied by Russia. End of story

Because you are animals and should die.

Germany doesn't want it

Because democracy = popular will, except when it means territorial integrity. See: Kosovo

This.

Give it back to Greece.

They will if you occupy their land and publish a poll saying that they do.

>be germoney
>russia is having poll to decide fate of the crimea
>international organizations are invited to observe polls
>refuse because they refuse to recognize it
>only people to observe are russian organizations
>complain afterwards that the poll was rigged

germans are nigger tier

But assuming the majority of Crimean population really wanted to join Russia, there would be nothing wrong with that, right?

Cuz russia economically better

>Why shouldn't they be allowed to join Russia if the majority of the population wants it?

They are allowed to join Russia, and they did join Russia. The UN Charter guarantees all people the right of self-determination, it's called "Democracy" and Crimea voted for Russia.

And yet, on every map outside Russia Crimea printed as Ukraine territory still, oh well

Hello my Turkish friend

Who cares lol

salty eurocuck map makers

it should be an independent Tatar state

>But assuming the majority of Crimean population really wanted to join Russia
Well that's making a big assumption but there is a path towards independence for most self-governing states besides a foreign occupation.

I really wouldn't want to choice between a Neo-nazi government and Putin

Why did we support the National-Socialist Party of Ukraine, again ?

Is there though?
I mean, eastern Ukraine was not occupied by Russia, and now they are beeing shelled by their own government
Crimea was occupied and not a single life was lost

They can print anything they want, but none of them will land their air force there" to visit their "Ukrainian" friends in "Crimea, Ukraine"

If Obongo, (or any other cuck, in the world) really thought Krim was Ukrainian, they would land their armed forces there and have some war games with the "Ukraine" armed forces.

Maps don't matter, only tanks and flags matter.

>I mean, eastern Ukraine was not occupied by Russia
lel

Most governments would kick up a fuss but would let it happen. Look at the Scottish referendum.

I think you are rather optimistic. Just because Britain handles the matter in a civilized matter doesnt mean the majority of countries would.
Remember, America went to war stop southern states from separation

The USSR gave up a shitload of territory when it collapsed.

its not like they really had a choice.
Before, they used to brutally supress protests with military

Well they didn't have choice, even the RSFR declared independence, imagine the United Kingdom with its 4 countries declaring independence

That's because we had a cuck like Poroshenko in charge (Lincoln the bloodthirsty) who was drunk on power and the blood of his countrymen.

Civilized nation like Czechoslovakia feels like splitting up, and they have a few talks and say goodbye. Zero lives lost.

Ukraine should split in half as well, western Ukraine can be a new Kosher-Nazi nation called "Nudelmanistan" and Eastern Ukraine is Novorossia.

Because they were no observers here + Putin being always elected at 63,60 % and only 18% for its competitor is rather suspicious

Because democracy is not okay when Russia does it

I can only assume that all Russians support the Siberia separatist movements who want to form their own state under claims of self-determination. Thus taking all their minerals and natural resources back, stopping the money going to Moscow which makes them unhappy because none of it is being used to help them.

Right?

>Lincoln the Bloodthirsty

Ebin meme, slavery enabler

do you seriously believe people would go to war for human rights?

Go there and fight for them you retard or shut up.

No, of course. To pretend the North attacked first is, however, completely retarded. And Britain did embargo and blockade slaver nations for a good amount of time, going to war over this issue isn't too far-fetched.

Kek. Smart Siberians know they're nothing without Moscow. Separatism in Russia is meme

>chechens

And look at the Spanish who are blocking every independence referendum because they know the result beforehand. Catalonia would have already been independent if they did not halt it.

>North Literally invades and conquers south.
>North did not attack the South.

How did Lincolnite retardation reach the far shores of la France Henri?

Smart chechens or stupid?

It was don't by there leaders of 3 republics and against national referendum, which was strongly in favor of keeping union and reformation. They went against people's will. That's all.

they wouldn't be independent because Spain is Catalonia.

referendum in chechens for freedom when?

But observers refused to come themselves, didn't they?

Or were prohibited to come by their governments.

They should be absolutely allowed to join Russia if the majority of the population makes an informed decision after proponents of both opinions have had opportunity to present their case.

Unfortunately the fascist manlet Putin has robbed them of this opportunity.

When we stop giving them shitloads of money

Smart chechens knew that they were nothing without moscow. That's why after 3 years of independence most of them voluntarily returned under russian wing and stared fighting themselves.

Dear Lord-- Thank you for Vladimir Putin and the Russian federation, and never let the cucks kill him. Spasiba.

*tips ushanka*

>germans are nigger tier
But Danes are just Germans with a retarded accent.

This, nigga.

i dont think people who like communism and people who like putin are the same.
As far as I am aware, Putin is rather right winged

Both groups like strong leaders who tell them what to do, what to think, how 'we' are superior to 'them'. Both hate a free media and the application of the rule of law, and share a belief that a small elite should rule the masses.

That was not OP's question.

you describe literally every radical group

The UK printed and showed non stop anti Scots propaganda throughout that campaign and many of the lies are becoming clear so that's we're getting ready for another referendum

Has there ever been a more clean annexation in history?

>South attacks Fort Sumter
>South almost reaches Washington before getting trashed

The fact they lost doesn't change that they attacked first, in a war you talk shit you get hit
But you're a troll so I'll leave you there

I dunno, I don't really trust EU in these matters since they installed a fascist government in Ukraine who had less than 10% of popular support

>As far as I am aware, Putin is rather right winged
russia-insider.com/en/node/11775

>international organizations are invited to observe pollsm.dw.com/en/warning-shots-block-osce-observers-from-entering-ukraines-crimea/a-17483413

however, russian 'holiday' army invaded before the election, kinda makes fair elections impossible.

luckily russian 'holiday' army didn't invide eastern Ukraine, so Ukraine gouvernment could provide fair elections there.
Oh wait, they didn't they sent army against their own people

LNR and DNR are both under separatists control so how could Ukrainian government provide polls there?

kek

But Americans are just Brits with a retarded accent.

>Because democracy = popular will, except when it means...
>anything

This

It's now Russian territory and there is no chance of it going back to Ukraine.

>who like communism and people who like putin are the same.
Not here, our communist party just fucked up in the head, they don't even have anything to do with communism

>communism and people who like putin are the same.
Not here, out communist party is fucked up in the head, hell the don't even have anything to do with communism