>a city is Polish for 90% of the time it existed
>founded on the base of a Lechitic town
>it has a overwhelming Polish majority
>give it to Ukrainians
Just why?
When will they give it back? Because I'm sure as hell we can't take it back due to being in NATO and EU.
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why do you want back though?
Our history, it's part of it just as much Kraków is.
>When will they give it back?
Only a beta male fag bitch would say this, if you want that city back go ahead and take it, don't ask for it.
>favela monkey in charge of knowing what diplomacy is
>diplomacy
That's a meme, when it comes down to it the one with the bigger guns wins out regardless.
All peoples lose some land
Greece lost Constantinople, Ireland lost Ulster, Gernany lost half their country...etc
I mean, you got a large amount of superior German cities in return, so I don't understand why you're complaining.
Lwow is bolish
birthplace of great bole Lem
Fuck lwow
Wilno nasze desu
Fuck off, we don't want Lwów anymore. All nostalgiafags should silence themselves. Lwów is ruined and the population is Ukrainian. To change that it would take tremendous amount of money that we DO NOT have and hitlerist methods that we CAN NOT effort with our "muh oppression" line of taking part in any historical arguments.
Not to mention that we get Lwów back, Germans will start showing claws for their cities that actually have a lot of value for our modern Polish state.
Therefore, kys
>superior cities
All are inferior to what pooland lost
Reeee
>effort
*afford
>not invading other countries unprovoked means you have no balls
Only monkeys think like this
>tfw we lost Norway and it's oil
>tfw we lost Scania and its abundant fields
>tfw we lost Iceland and its rich waters
Alberto has a point
If you are strong, take it back
If you are weak, you won't
Stalingrad is rightful venezuelan clay.
>tfw one off from being a literal Danskjävla
Diplomacy is only effective if you bring a large stick to the negotiation
You never had Norway. It was a union where we were the decidedly weaker party.
We, on the other hand, lost Greenland and Iceland to you. They were ours when entering the union, but you kept them afterwards.
>All are inferior to what pooland lost
You are wrong - at least from the point of view of economy.
If we take Lwów we will absorb the problems Ukraine has now, make them ours, and we'll economically collapse.
Fuck the dreams, let Lwów rot, I gave up on it
At least you got Schleswig back
>tfw one country away from North Korea
thanks for your contribution sweden, no diplomacy doesnt involve large nigger dicks either
We still have few millions of Poles living in the east.
A lot of them are not only simple peons but also engineers, doctors, administration officers etc. We could fill it with few hundred thousand people from the east and people from the rest of Poland who would move there just because of nostalgia.
Since the population would be a bit smaller a lot of the shit looking commie blocks could be demolished.
Lwów would earn for itself real quick.
It was the 3rd most populus city in II Rzeczpospolita for a reason.
Not an argument
We can't take it back if we want to stay in the EU and probably NATO.
We could if for example there were some strikes of Lwowians that would want to join Poland at some point. But the way it is now it would be pure agression and would undermine a lot of we're trying to achieve with our politics of making Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia drift away from Russia as far as possible.
>Poles want to annex the capital of ukrainian nationalistm.
Not a smart move desu.
By that logic Iceland werent yours either as it was an independent group of settlers seeking to escape Norway in search of new lands. Aka the old commonwealth.
Schleswig is a gateway to refugees though. We need Dannevirke to protect us from the horde.
You know all to well that populations can be moved.
>We still have few millions of Poles living in the east.
We don't have a few million Poles living in Lwów! If you take the whole region into account, tell me the % of Poles in the east. It's negligible!
>A lot of them are not only simple peons but also engineers, doctors, administration officers etc. We could fill it with few hundred thousand people from the east and people from the rest of Poland who would move there just because of nostalgia.
Most though are uneducated peasants like we are here, some assimilated, some are muh polish heritage 100% Ukrainian/Russian people. We couldn't fill the region with anyone without applying hitlerist/stalinist methods, and after the absorbtion of Lwów and neighbouring areas, we would have more or less a million absolutely enfuriated people to manage and casus belli from literally all our neighbours from Germany and Russia to fucking Slovakia
>Since the population would be a bit smaller a lot of the shit looking commie blocks could be demolished.
No, because we wouldn't find any funds for it, and the EU wouldn't lift a finger to help, and even if they did, it's the tip of the iceberg what they can give and what we would need.
>Lwów would earn for itself real quick.
That's doubtful. It would leech on the rest of Poland and be torn to pieces by massive internal conflicts.
>It was the 3rd most populus city in II Rzeczpospolita for a reason.
If you only remembered that this city from II RP went through III Reich and the USSR, maybe you could stop dreaming and calculate it without emotions.
We can't do it, we can't afford it, we don't want casus belli from everyone against us, we don't want massive internal conflicts that would turn into a civil war, we don't want to use stalinist methods on our city and drown in it blood and tears of people who have lived there for decades now, and we do not want to stop using our "muh victim complex" strategy in any historical argument that we use now.
kys
Not to mention I don't want Russians or public enemies like Ż*rinowski to point and laugh at us screaming "See? You're as evil as Russia!", and then telling Belarussians, Ukrainians, Georgians and others that Poland is just another oppressive imperalist scum to fight, not to deal with
You should just annex the Kiel canal and re-establish the sound dues
Then use the money to turn your land into a Switzerland tier fortress
Trust me it'll be fine
>tell me the % of Poles in the east
It's probably around 2 million or so.
>No, because we wouldn't find any funds for it
We got the funds, it's more of a question would we use them well.
> It would leech on the rest of Poland and be torn to pieces by massive internal conflicts.
Not if most of the Ukrainian population would move to actuall Ukraine.
> we don't want casus belli from everyone against us
And that's the only real reason why we're not trying to get it back.
>Denmark
>Switzerland tier fortress
Nigger we're 60% water and have zero natural defensive terrain. If refugees cross the mediterranean in a raft, what prevents them from sailing in and bombing copenhagen? The brits already did it once.
Scanians are genetically Swedish.
Get creative. The Belgians flooded their land when the Germans invaded in WWI. Maybe you could put legos down everywhere where they'll be stepped on
What would you expect after 400 years?
America used to be genetically white just 100 years ago, look at them now. Take that as a warning Håkan.
Every neighbour of Ukraine has a clay. You should just cooperate in this mission to get your lands back. Like some of Ukraine goes to Russia, some to Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania. Independent Ukraine will be just a couple of regions near Kiev.
so you want to have a huge ukrainian minority in your country?
or are you suggesting to deport the current population of Lwow?
>deport
out of all the ppl, you should know the solution is something else
user, sometimes you need to cut of the arm to save life and not let the gangrene spread. Today our country is smaller but more manageable and stronger.
Deal with it, cunt. Everyone loses land.
We have a lot of Ukrainians in Poland anyway.
Might as well get the land. also
>manageable and stronger.
>manageable
>stronger
This delusion
The land itself isn't worth it, kresy are basically barren wastelands without any resources, infrastructure nor industry.
We are stronger than we were during interwar though, and have much better geopolitical position.
Then go deeper for Czarnoziemy.
Like Sudetenland goes to Germany?
>We are stronger than we were during interwar though
Source: my ass.
Kek Stanisławów region has more oil then whole Poland and the area around Lwów is one of the most fertile in the world.
>muh agriculture
Road to nowhere my friend. It's heavy industry that generates wealth of the country these days and we already have too many poor farmers that struggle to sell apples to fucking russians.
Nobody cares about your little backwater town
Let it go
Poland got enough land with USSR.
Then just build heavy industry.
>the area around Lwów is one of the most fertile in the world.
much like ur mum
bankier.pl
Here you go with source.
Lwów old city center is more beautiful than any city in Denmark with the exception of Copenhagen.
>quality of living
>"we are stronger than Interwar Poland"
Really?
The biggest plus of Intwewar period is that we had our OWN POLISH army. If it wasn't for foreign policy of idiotic gov of that time, that army would be even stronger and modernized.
Now? We don't have any army and are occupied by USA.
>has more oil then whole Poland
That's not hard task because Poland has no oil at all. And oil around lwow is too expensive to bother about.
So?
Our Clay.
Holy Roman Emperor said so.
maybe you can ask russia to give it back when ukraine is absorbed
>our OWN POLISH army.
Which was fucking slaughtered by german army in 2 weeks, kek. At least now ww2 scenario would never happen because germany has weak and underfunded army. Again, our geopollitical situation is much better then it was.
So it's not that backwater. It has a lot of beautiful history and polish monuments, as part of Poland it would be a brimming cultural center.
yup, property of Habsburg kings of Bohemia
>We don't have any army and are occupied by USA.
Seriously, are you memeing or are you actually an extreme nationalist?
>We'll have a stronger army if we build them on our own with our money. Let's kick out the US!
Yeah. That must end up so well.
That's probably the only way we can get it back now.
And seeing as now is a perfect time for Russia to strike(USA elections, EU inner turmoil, inner turmoil in Ukraine) than who knows.
If you want it bad, now is the best time to go and take it while Ukraine is being bullied by Russia.
>not believing in based macierewicz
That's all well and good but you're going to be next. NATO or NOTTO, Putin will call your bluffo.
We will nuke ourselfs along with the invaders that will be already on our soil if it hapapends.
>wanting direct border with russia
>without shitty buffer zone country
asking for trouble
Bruh, that's ice cold.
i like poland and polish people
>implying Poland is able to build nukes
Someone actually thinking here, wow, also, do you really need it? It is full of ukrainians, thought you guys dont like them very much.
Where are Polish nukes though? Nationalist fantasies aren't enough.
Deal with it. Lviv has been a Ukrainian city for seven decades now.
>Which was fucking slaughtered by german army in 2 weeks, kek. At least now ww2 scenario would never happen because germany has weak and underfunded army. Again, our geopollitical situation is much better then it was.
It was rekt because of people like Kutrzeba.
Polish Renault > German tankette.
We bought and we are buying more missles capable of carrying nukes and we got 2 nuclear reactors and a nuclear power plant in build.
We can do it. We can nuke ourselfs, I have faith.
they do i do believe poland can even into space they are actually hard-working people
Getting Lwów now would be like getting cancer for Poland
muh smolensk
muh russia
readOnce you have the missles, targeting systems and a reactor building a nuke is piss easy. Even NK can do it with sticks and stones.
>2 nuclear reactors and a nuclear power plant in build.
Your nuclear energy is pathetic. Poland is almost entirely dependent on coal. Stfu about nukes if you want Americans to protect you.
>Americans
>protect you
Here we go again.
If not for ukraine it would be us that would have proxy war with russia. Putin is just testing old world order which is slowly falling apart. I don't expect EU to survive much longer and NATO is just americans that couldn't help us if shit hit the fan even if they wanted to. Russia already have anti access / area denial system over whole central europe in place.
Still it's more capabilities than most have.
Plus I did not threathen anyone I just wrote that we can probably nuke ourselfs if needed.
Fuck off back to shitting up your country you South American degenerate
I would like poland to try take it by force. This will make us friend with russia again and poland will get another partition. More butthurt for kings of butthurt.
The moment KGB finds out there is nuclear weapon in Poland there will be full scale russian invasion. Poland can't have any nuclear weapons according to treaties signed after 89 and russians won't fucking allow it because it hits in their security and interests. And no, americans won't be able to help us this time and they know it.
>make us friend with russia again
More like make you their bitch again.
Which happens now anyway.
>this time
When this they help us first time?
Was it when they sold us to the communists despite huge contribution to world war II?
did*
Our most vital interest is for American oriented world order to last as long as it can. We need time to prepare for turmoil in europe and right now we are just too weak.
I doubt that Russia would be your friend Mykola.
No. It will be a self-nuking device. A homemade decimation by the people for the people.
Jews got this thing too, if they will get invaded and overrun they got the plan to nuke themselves.
The first time was in 89, if not for USA we would be in russian influence zone for a long fucking time.
>inba muh solidarity
If not for USA there would be no room for any polish independence.
>this delusion again
Poland isn't independent since 1939. There is no Polish interest in Poland, because it lacks real Polish parties.
PO - German interests in Poland
PiS - American/Israeli interests in Poland.