/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and _monitor_ suggestions; click on the blue title to see notes
pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>Learn how to build a PC (You can find a lot more detailed videos on channels like Bitwit)
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g
>How to install Win7 on Ryzen
pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

If you want help:
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs:
>NO i5 7500/7600K or i7 7700/K. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE
>NO R3 1200/1300X or R5 1400/1500X. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY THE R3 2200G AND R5 2400G
>G4560 - non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card
>R3 2200G - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) or for gaming WITHOUT a graphics card
>R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming (especially the i5 8400) or multithreaded use CPUs (especially the R5 1600)
>R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper / i7 - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use

RAM:
>Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal
>Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports

Graphics cards:
>Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon)
1080p
>MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050Ti, 140USD; 1060 3GB, $200; 1060 6GB, $230; RX 570 4GB, $170; RX 580 4GB, $200
>GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match
1440p
>GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced
>GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match
2160p (4K)
>GTX 1080Ti

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor

Other urls found in this thread:

pcpartpicker.com/list/4RKLr6
youtube.com/watch?v=BQbq-4k0NEE
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnathan_Wendel
youtube.com/watch?v=ALCSusyCnQY
pcpartpicker.com/list/MZXBD2
gamersnexus.net/guides/1890-panel-comparison-tn-ips-pls-va-crt
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

News: Ryzen APUs have been released. The 2200G (99USD) and 2400G (169USD) are similar to the R3 1300X and R5 1500X respectively in cores/threads+clockspeed, but they have integrated graphics. The 2200G has 8 Vega CUs and the 2400G has 11 CUs, so they're in the same performance tier as the RX 550 (8CUs) or GT 1030.

Strongly consider a 2200G build until graphics card prices become reasonable again.

Daily reminder that waitfags will never get the items they want.

So I finally built my computer, what are some must have softwares?

>NO R3 1200/1300X or R5 1400/1500X. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY THE R3 2200G AND R5 2400G
Alright, this is true, but as an addendum, you might not be able to get your new mobo to post if the BIOS isn't updated for the APUs. You have been warned.

If Windows 10: OOSU

netbsd

R

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Waitfags got the Zen/Vega APUs, and they'll soon get more powerful graphics cards at reasonable prices when the next gen comes out this year. At the very least they'll get reasonable prices, since AMD has said it's ramping up production.

Firefox and Chrome + uBlock, 7zip, MPC

True dat. My 970 for $330 3 years ago feels like a better deal every day

With the prices of ram and gpus is it even worth it to build a pc instead of buying a used workstation or used xeons and used ecc ddr3?

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>buying used
Would you get a used gf?

>Wait and don't get what you want
>Don't wait and don't get the prices you want
CPU-Z and GPU-Z are helpful
Heaven benchmark and MSI afterburner for GPU/VRAM overclocking
Prime95 for CPU overclocking
qBittorrent if you torrent
mpv to watch downloaded videos
7zip for file compression/decompression
Remember to get GPU, chipset, and peripheral drivers and to update BIOS.

Aesthetics and I think one has antiflicker or something

Picking up an Optiplex with an Ivy Bridge or Haswell i7 is a good deal, if you don't mind being limited to mobo power only graphics cards like the 560, 1050, or 1050Ti.

Got news for you user, they all are unless you're both 14

retard here, will a ryzen 1300x bottleneck a nvidia 1050?

Thank you so much user, you're a life saver

No, but you'd get the R3 1200 or possibly the 2200G if you know your mobo will post

No I'm only attracted to girl/males

What are the best cases oriented this way (where the I/O ports are on top)?

The mobo that I'm plannig to get is a MSI B350M

Id make sure it explicitly says its for the g series.

You'd have to contact MSI. Yeah, that mobo will definitely work with the 2200G but it might require a BIOS flash first.

Okay thanks for the help, but what's a 2200G?
This is the first time I've heard of this and I didn't see something with that name when looking for components

There's that and the FT02. Silverstone has some sort of patent on these I believe so I don't think you will be able to find many others.

i might resort to flipping a normal case on its face

Best low budget am4 mobo with 4 ram ports?

Tomahawk or Pro4

There's info about it all over this thread. Search newegg for the actual chip

Not the Pro 4. Try the Fatal1ty though. Pro 4 lacks LLC which makes overclocking a PITA

I see but I don't think they are in my country, Should I just get a R3 1300X and a 1050?

build a pc or use m money for college materials

>I should be sitting 4 feet away from a 60" 4k tv
u wot

Low budget, which I assume means VRMs that won't fry in the ≤$60 range

pcpartpicker.com/list/4RKLr6
Anything wrong with my build? Is there a better/cheaper motherboard I should be getting?
This is already about the limit of my budget but I push it a bit more if there's reason to.

Either that or you should get a bigger TV

You're paying $600 more than you should on the 1080 Ti

Tomahawk is good. The B350 Fatal1ty isn't that much more and one of the best overclockers in AMD's B350 chipset.

>go to local store
>ask for shiny new graphics card
>everything sold out, even the 1050 & RX560 2GB
>salesman tells me some Taiwanese folks are buying all of them, including the defective ones
I had to wake up at 4:00 am yesterday just to get the jump on the freshly delivered stocks.
$190 1050Ti was completely worth it.

>$1300 1080 ti
jesus christ

could've just gotten a 200 dollar one from newegg without doing anything.

That's obvious but can't be helped. I've got email alerts for a more reasonable price and hopefully will grab one at a "reasonable" price.

>Fatal1ty
I'd buy it if it wasn't for that retarded name

In that case, R3 1200

Actually you could sit up to 6ft away from it and reap the benefits from your expenditure.

If you always sit at 8ft from the TV, your beautiful 60" 4K TV is indistinguishable from a 60" 1080p TV. The more you know!

just asking this again because i'm starting to think it's actually welded to the motherboard tray

>you guys deal with prebuilts like optiplexes here sometimes, right?

>has anyone had any luck removing the metal drive cage from an optiplex 9010?
i've removed all the rivets I can see like youtube.com/watch?v=BQbq-4k0NEE [Remove] this video, but the cage doesn't want to come out

Get an m.2 SSD

Also
>$400 TN panel
Why though

Avoid the Pro4 like the plague user, I'd avoid all Asrock mobos but there are some exceptions like the Taichi (supposedly)

he's getting a 144hz for gaming obviously and modern tn's are honestly pretty good, ips equivalent cost basically twice as much for some fringe benefits

The name comes from Johnathon Wendel, a pioneering former professional esports player who used that as his screen name in games. He was known for the games Quake and Painkiller. The Fatal1ty brand is licensed to Asrock.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnathan_Wendel

Can anyone recommend me a good 1700 mobo? I want to overclock at least to 4.0.

whatever you do dont try mining
I didnt even get to a full zcash until my 1070 gave up the ghost
I bought it for under 400 a year ago but didnt try mining until this month

for $1300 you might as well just get a titan XP

I can't wait until all those cucks buying up like 20 graphics cards thinking it'll pay off like bitcoin early days realize what they did to themselves

I've seen 165Hz IPS Gsync monitors for about the same price, maybe a little more. Also of course there's the HDR10 VA monitor in the OP pcpartpicker for $550. No Gsync, though.

I have the same model; the viewing angle sucks balls

While the Mobo is important, remember you're playing the silicon lottery here and you may not hit 4.0 Ghz even if the motherboard could hit it.

taichi is a great board. dunno bout the rest of asrock stuff but there is nothing wrong with the taichi.

Nothing wrong with the Fatal1ty boards. They can overclock like a pro. Can't find many B350 boards capable of handling an R7 at 4.0 Ghz.
youtube.com/watch?v=ALCSusyCnQY

Look at

Is the difference between 165Hz and 144Hz noticeable?

I'd get a K65 instead of the K55, a Seasonic Focus Gold Plus 650w and consider changing the HDD since the reviews aren't great, I'd go with a 2tb WD Black (or a Seagate one but I don't trust their durability)

No. It is really not. I put my acer at 144 despite being able to do 165.

What about 144 and 100?

Not really. But then again I have G-sync on so I only really notice it when the frame drops to 60.

Thanks

Good to know

>Budget
$1000-$1200
>Primary use
gaymen, nothing much other than that.
I have nothing, so the build would need to consist of mouse+kb.
>pcpartpicker.com/list/MZXBD2
what I have so far, thoughts or changes?

>Gaymen
>1050ti

Very good user, I'd change the PSU to a Seasonic 620 EVO (for the cheapest) or a Focus Gold Plus, for the case you might want to consider a s340 blue for $10 more and I'm not a big fan of curved monitors but if that's your thing go for it

One of the better B350 boards such as the Krait Gaming or Strix could do it. However, not all Ryzen chips hit 4GHz as the range is usually from around 3.8-4.1 at safe (1.425-1.45 is the maximum recommended) voltages excluding Threadripper and the APUs.

Name one good reason to build a PC that's big enough to overcome the hilarious price hikes.

I should have a bought EVGA 1080 ti Elite when it was just $750. I regret everything.

lol. All you salty nocoiners could have afforded a decent GPU if you bought into crypto sooner.

>recommending the dead platform g4560 when the 2200g is better for only like 10$ more
having the 2200g and g4560 in the same op is pure redundancy

stop being third world then

Why the fuck would you downclock? You are effectively castrating yourself by leaving the G-SYNC range sooner.

Bitch I live in America

Ok, Paco

Gonna repair my old iPhone and sell it along my GTX970 which I paid €320 for in 2014 and will sell it for €250 now, what GPU do I get? My budget is going to be around €500-650 and I don't mind buying used.

I have a 32" 4K monitor but I don't mind turning down settings to have a steady 60fps. The newest game I'm going to play is probably MGSV.

pic related

Cause my secondary is 60hz and if I don't set it to 144hz, sometimes my GPU will not downclock when idle.

What are some good GPU-less Mini-ITX cases?
My mum wants a new computer to replace her ancient piece of shit, and I figured I'd get something small.
Obviously it would be using on-board graphics and generally be very low-end, so a case with the PCI slots would just be wasted space.

Are you sure she'd like it if it's small?

Is this a euphemism or are you actually asking a question.
If the latter, I don't see why someone would be against a small case for a computer designed for very basic usage.

The Corsair 250D and the Define Nano S look good

>1080ti
>bronze psu
Nigga wat

Bronze is fine. Gold is preferred but there is nothing wrong with Bronze. Bronze/Silver/Gold etc is not an indication of quality as I would take a Seasonic Bronze over Diablotek Gold any day of any week.

Nigga Watt is a pretty considerable amount of power. But, most likely, can still be delivered by bronze psu (recommended system power is 600W, graphics card power is 250W).

Should I get BenQ GW2270H monitor? I checked out its specs and all and it looks pretty good to me besides the response time which is says on its description page is 18ms, 5ms (GtG). Is that shit supposed to be important?

What do you use it for? VA panels have the worst response time so it's not suitable for real time gaming

Well, I needed a new 22 inch monitor since my old one has too many dead pixels to count and I was getting BenQ GW2270H for cheap so I was thinking about getting it?
>real time gaming
you mean online multiplayer and shit? Cause obviously I would wanna play vidya games on my PC. Won't turning on vsync fix this issue?
Or do you know any better alternatives?

Educate yourself on the types of panels
gamersnexus.net/guides/1890-panel-comparison-tn-ips-pls-va-crt

Response time means it takes long for your PC to show what is actually going to. About a 5ms delay, negligible in most scenarios except fighting games and twitch shooters.

waiting for gtx 2080

See you in six months

laughingcryptominer.jpg

I know that shit
It's just that I'm a poorfag and I was getting that shit for cheap
>About a 5ms delay, negligible in most scenarios except fighting games
So like I play fightans on fightcade
will it get affected?

Yes.