Arch has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible. Arch has *never* been minimalist... it has nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages. It also uses systemd, which is incredibly bloat. Despite its "minimal" install state, Arch is far from being as minimal as the other distros here.
Previously, Debian was included in the list due to it being one of the most /minimal/ systemd options. After discussions in a few older threads, we decided it would be a good idea to take out Debian, replacing it with Devuan. This means that there are no systemd distros in the list now.
William Gray
Repost of autistic minimalism rant:
The thing for me when it come to this is that I'm kinda disgusted by the amount of bloat in popular applications and environments.
Let's take the picture viewer as an example. What does it do? That's right! It views pictures! We have also seen picture viewers that can run with very tiny amounts of ram, and do their job pretty well. Why then should we be using a picture viewer that does the exact same practical thing as this minimal picture viewer, but is 10+ times heavier?
I've heard this a lot, the whole "lel just get a newer computer grandpa!" I'd like to let you know that I use minimal setups both on a 2012 Fagbook Pro, and a Xeon workstation being used as a desktop. Both of these have 16+ GB of memory. What you have to understand is that just because we have the resources, doesn't mean it's right to use them to the limit. Why should we artificially use more resources for the same tasks just because we have the capability to do it. That's retarded. At that point we should just rewrite the kernel in electron because clearly anyone who has a problem with that just needs to download more wam.
Another key component for me is that achieving a high level of minimalism often involves switching to a vey terminal-heavy lifestyle. This is good as it provides a universal interface. The interface used to shitpost, consume content, and whatnot, is the same interface that would be used when administering a server, when configuring my NAS, when working with Amazon EC2 installations, etc.
Why do you hate keeping things simple? Why do you want things to use more resources than they have to to complete their function?
TL;DR: /minimalism/ is a very logical way of doing things, and provides a universal interface.
Evan Stewart
we also have ircs! #Sup Forumsminimal at rizon #glmg at efnet
Dylan White
being cute isnt very minimal, time to get get fat and gross kid
Thomas Price
no it is very minimal! >_
Blake Smith
For the nth time, this thread is bloat and was deprecated before it was even born.
Use /fglt/
Luke Lewis
I’ve realized that outside of rice pics, top and htop are an ineffective judge of mem usage. Use the free command instead.
How are any of those things feminine? I don't really get this soyboy meme.
Don't get me wrong. I have reason to dislike all these things myself. >battlenet No GNU/Linux support >discord Electron bloat >malwarebytes Windows shit >nvidia No good opensource driver
Right. WMs are preferred. I use dwm, but have used bspwm, i3, and frankenwm in the past.
Jack Lopez
How's devuan working out for you?
Tyler Stewart
Working great since a year, upgrading to ascii in one hour.
Henry Barnes
Why dwm over i3?
Levi James
I dunno, that's just what I ended up on. It's comfy.
Xavier Taylor
Threadly reminder decimal kilobytes and bibibytes instead of proper binary kilobytes are bloat
Brayden Martin
>still falling into WM/DE dichotomy WM is a subset of DE. With DE you have a set of basic applications which are tailored to work together and have something similar.
Logan Peterson
best lightweight japanese IME?
Anthony Martinez
Because window trees are gay.
Parker Moore
The only reasonable thing left to do is kill this general for good and make a /vag/ general (void, alpine, gentoo) for people who actually know what they are talking about and care to speak of minimal systemdless linux based os. This is a bullshit fanboy placebo-tier thread, and here is why:
This is the most inaccurate and stupid pasta on Sup Forums. just say it has systemd, cause that is the only non-bullshit statement.
>"minimal" install
Devuan/debian install is bloated as fuck. apt is bloated as fuck e.g. Installing xorg with --no-install-recommends still pulls in a bullshit amount of stuff. In arch dependencies are more optional, and pacman allows you to be way more minimal and polished than memept.
>nearly all optional features enabled
specify, and argument on how is different from other pre-compiled distros because it smells bullshit from far away. Not to mention you can recompile the kernel how you want and compile each package from source, enabling all the features you want by writing your own PKGBUILD, bulding it with makepkg and installing with pacman -Q
>b-but you can do it in devuan...
not in such a polished way, arch was always meant to be customizable and minimal, the only mistake is systemd, which is spread all over the gnu/linux anyway. Debian is made to be the linux standard for stability and the best compromise beetween no hassle ease to use and customization. Two different things.
>Use devuan, it's like debian without sysyemd! Wait a second, it is actually outdated as fuck and cannot ever be maintaned as well as debian or arch, so please consider installing debian. Sorry I had to make this note so anons do not bother me anymore. I assume they are retards and will fall for this.
Nice way to put it to not include debian, but include it anyway. If you weren't so biased you would have included Artix (meme systemdless arch fork, the same as devuan) but you didn't.
Lincoln Fisher
>GNU >Minimalism Pick one. Alpine or kys.
Jeremiah Davis
>pacman -U not -Q my bad.*
Lucas Sanders
>(void, alpine, gentoo) you're excluding others such as LFS, CRUX, Slackware, and whatever else. basically, whatever OP has is going to disappoint some people because "my obscure minimal distro wasn't included"; the thread should focus more on software overall instead of just distros, for that reason
Ian Scott
>LFS not a distro. >CRUX pic related. >Slack based distro, had to include it.
my point was that minimal and reliable distros are a handful (literally), we'd rather make a thread about those as starting points and talk about software optimization, setups and whatnot rather than following the rants of a debian fanboy/arch hater who assumes everyone in here is blind and retard. Hell, how can we even stand a guy using a Xeon as desktop as the OP of a minimalism thread? Lmao.
David Thomas
For the people maintaining the pastebins:
In the first one there's a typo, .asounrc -> .asoundrc
maim is neat, thanks also neofetch > screenfetch. inxi looks like it serves a different purpose
Elijah Sanchez
I don't see enough wayland shilling, isn't sway the go-to minimal wm?
Dominic Parker
Wayland is bloat
Kayden Sanders
sway is the only viable vm on wayland and it still quite unfinished. it's too soon to use wayland. we are stuck with xorg at the moment.
Colton Jackson
Shit idea
Samuel Anderson
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Anthony Ramirez
Once it becomes more finished/I get the opportunity, I'm probably gonna switch to it. This How so? From what I can tell, it's getting rid of a lot of legacy bloat. It also sounds a lot more secure too. Or are you one of those who keeps spreading the FUD that GNOME is the only compositor?
Jaxson Edwards
What makes GuixSD minimal?
Jason Gray
no systemd, and allows you to make your install as minimal or as bloat as you desire, with presets for full desktop, ratpoison, or a barebones installation.
James Lewis
got no tripcode, yet again another example of the avg iq in this meme thread.
Ethan Reed
am I allowed to use udisks?
Ayden Edwards
From bloated to minimal: udisks (+ udevil) -> pmount -> bashmount -> mount but use whatever you need
Anthony Lee
Anyone here using 2bwm? I'm familiar with bspwm, openbox, and Xfce. Does 2bwm have anything worth looking at vs the ones I've mentioned?
Grayson Young
Never used it myself, but it appears to be a floating wm (not tiling) Here's some stuff it can do
>2bwm brings a whole set of features to the table. Here is the exhaustive list: >Teleport windows in the corners >Teleport windows in the {top,middle,bottom} center >Teleport windows to cover a half of the monitor >Add offsets around the monitor >Multiply / Divide window's width or height by 2 >Grow / Shrink windows keeping aspect ratio >Move / Resize windows by two user defined amount >2 borders fully customizable that show the window status
Dominic Martin
Yeah I've read that and it seems pretty nice. I've read that you have to re-compile every time you change configuration?
2 borders also seems 2 bloated 2bh
Ian Ross
I'm not sure whether it's one of those "recompile to reconfigure" ones.
As for bloat, it's surprisingly one of the lightest ones out there:
Owen Nguyen
>GNU/Linux Minimalism You realize GNU is a bloated pile of steaming garbage, right? The only way to have a truly minimalist Linux distro is to replace GNU.
Carson Davis
The title is really a bit dumb, especially when the first recommended distro is not GNU/Linux...
Landon Reed
>blaming GNU >blaming the entire community rather than an specific program
Charles Thompson
You realize that guy is a BSD shill undercover, right? He comes in here talking shit then leave when the community is fragmented.
Jacob Lewis
He *actually* has a point though, the GNU in the name of this general can be removed.
Daniel Fisher
Is the only thing stopping the shitposters to have an excuse. I dont want to see license shitposting 24/7 on this thread.
Jaxson Flores
>I dont want to see license shitposting 24/7 on this thread. Yes, that would be bloat.
Carson Taylor
only cucks care about licenses.
Angel Ramirez
See Is already here, they need to be dispatched on the spot
Bentley Turner
found another screenshot where tmux and a irc client is running too. might try doing this with a modern distro later.
Aiden Powell
Apparently you can safely remove Polkit/ConsoleKit. They are requested for some automount applications like file managers or udisks, and for login managers, both which can be replaced. Also it is recommended to remove Avahi according security checklists, you wont miss much anyway superuser.com/questions/316715/removing-the-avahi-daemon-on-ubuntu#316767
Adam Anderson
Why does Alpine have all this GNU stuff in its repo? What cuckery did I fell for?
Why aren't you using sxiv for all your image viewing and management purposes? This eliminates any possible excuse for using a bloated GUI file manager. It's like Feh, but good.
Nathaniel Jones
I was wondering how could you use crunchbang if I heard they discontinue the project, I guess is an old picture
its not that old. the reason why i had it installed was because it was the only linux cd i could find and the laptop boots only from floppy or cd. i compiled the latest kernel dropbear and tmux and some libraries to it myself. i do have some floppies so i could try to make one that boots from usb.
Aaron Stewart
Yeah it's a great viewer. I only keep feh around for wallpapers.
Jose King
I know of xsetroot/hsetroot for changing wallpapers. I prefer imagemagick though.
Henry James
imagemagick always uses 10-20MB more than the other options, at least for me.
Christopher Harris
using a name at all on a finnish dumpster diving journal is a meme
Tyler Evans
the way you have it set up looks nice; i haven't messed with sxiv enough to be comfortable with it. maybe i should try it out again
Dominic Jackson
You can change the bg color and font and add more thumbnail sizes in config.def.h before you compile it. It's neatly organized and commented, anyone can edit it.
Logan Ross
> let's write a new image decoder > in c Fuck no. Suckless does not apply to anything that reads complex data structures from the Internet. Not unless you're a PhD and have proofs to go with your solution.
Hudson Reed
so what do you use?
Brandon Torres
i use cat to pipe images directly into my brain
Austin Watson
How are DEs like xfce or lxde able to shutdown without root and what’s a minimalist program to do that?
John Brown
What is the oldest Thinkpad I can more or less comfortably use with Gentoo? Just basic browsing and text editing, mostly going to use it as a linux learning tool.
Connor Garcia
the oldest one that's supported by the linux kernel i suppose
Levi Taylor
I setup a Alpine Dev box on a old pentium3 but im having problems with i3, it lags a lot. What could I use instead and how hard are they to get good at, compared to i3?
Post Alpine fetchs to see if im bloated or not
Ryder Martin
Forgot pic
Ryan Lopez
feh and zathura, which to my knowledge don't try to homebrew any image decoders. Not that imlib is literal magick, but it's like 30 years old and runs about 80% of Internet backends. They've probably found all the security holes they're going to.
Liam Cook
>How are DEs like xfce or lxde able to shutdown without root polkit >what’s a minimalist program to do that? su
Parker Martin
Whats the easiest way to make very simple GUI programs for terminal commands?
Logan Myers
>su What about graphical?
Brody Robinson
honestly i just use SysRq+R/Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart and my desktop power button to shutdown. if i'm already at a root terminal i'll type poweroff or reboot
Tyler Gonzalez
>absolute state of "le minimal hack". >im so minimal bois look at me >btw how do I shutdown my pc? >I need a "program" right? >pretending to be an expert and not understanding basic linux privilege rules
giving your logged user rights to shutdown suspend and reboot with sudo is too much for your brain to process, right? I bet you had it debloated long time ago.
Easton Nelson
Depends on how many and how big are the packages that you will compile, usually X60 and older should be fine
Xavier Campbell
basically if you need graphical buttons for that stuff, just settle for a lightweight DE. i doubt there will be any decent standalone programs for that
Luis Davis
The reason why you can't shutdown rootlessly from the command-line is because GNU, despite the acronym being "GNU's Not Unix", is very much a clone of AT&T Unix. (the acronym only exists to avoid lawsuits over the possibility of AT&T code being in GNU). Unix was designed from the ground-up to be multi-user, with there being one server running and everyone in the entire workplace connecting to it remotely from terminals. Because of this, it would be retarded for it to allow rootless shutdowns, as your asshole coworker could just run the shutdown command and mess up everyone's day.
Since GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems now also target desktops, desktop environments have started to offer rootless shutdowns. I'm not entirely sure of how they do this, but I think it has to do with the DE or maybe the windowing system actually running as root. So when you shut down on a desktop, you're actually somehow communicating with the root user account which then initiates the shutdown command.
As for whether there's a tool you can install or a configuration you can set up to get a rootless shutdown from the shell, I really don't know.
Connor Wright
This too: Just give your user the right to run the commands with sudo.
Daniel Wright
just press the power button. its the most minimal way and works on any modern computer.
Josiah Rodriguez
>The only way to shutdown linux similar to windows is from a DE why?
Jacob Russell
linux isn't windows. just use a DE if you want a DE, holy shit
Justin Fisher
Why isn’t there a dedicated program for linux to shutdown
Wyatt Adams
>use one of many methods to set user permissions, or temporarily elevate privileges >execute a shutdown command from any random GUI button tool ???
Jackson Evans
There is. It's called shutdown.
Zachary Campbell
write one xd
Logan Martinez
woah where the fuck even are you? a shoe factory???
