/tpg/ ThinkPad General xsauc edition

If you're looking for purchase advice, state your budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
E and L Series for plebs
A series is now T/X approved for economy

>>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).

Recommended freedom models:
>>T60, X60; X200, T400/500

Recommended modern models:
" X230, 2570p
" E6330, E6430s, ThinkPad 13
" E6440, T430s, 8470w
" W541, Zbook G3, M4800
" P71, 8770W, M6800, W701ds

Why ThinkPad?
>>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet
>>Great durability: recommended models has a chassis that uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>>Utilitarian design: 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>>TrackPoint the original and best Pointing stick, great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad
>>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support

>>Hardware Maintenance Manuals (HMM's) and Windows drivers for legacy devices:
download.lenovo.com/eol
>>Used laptop guides by xsauc:
dankpads.com
>>ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads & running GNU/Linux on them:
thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
>>ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
lenovoservicetraining.com/
>>EPP discount for new ThinkPads:
pastebin.com/JVwVGVTW
>>BIOS logo booru:
biosimage.booru.org/

Other urls found in this thread:

discord.gg/87PvZ7V
ebay.ca/itm/112174413211
amazon.ca/Enpower-0A36302-Notebook-ThinkPad-T530/dp/B0744JDYPH/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1519012324&sr=8-3&keywords=thinkpad t530 battery
currys.ie/Product/corsair-ddr3-1600-mhz-pc-ram-8-gb/335994/400.5.0
dankpads.com/current-thinkpads/
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

Unofficial /tpg/ discord.
discord.gg/87PvZ7V

General Question:
I'm fairly normie in my computing needs as a professional student so I apologize for being a fucking retard. I've had my T420 running Windows 7 for a couple years now. I can't see myself going back to buying shitty fucking laptops from Dell or Acer anymore and I am in love with the styling and functionality of the modern models from around 2011.

My question is: how long will I be able to keep this up? When will T420's and the like become too obsolete, or when will Windows 7 become defunct?

Officially Windows 7 is ending support in 2020, but there might be some tweaks done to where it is supported later, like how M$ did with XP POS Ready.

Windows 10 generally works OK for Sandy and Ivy Bridge machines, however since W10 is supposedly going to be the last Windows OS, who knows if there will be an update where they drop support for older CPUs and GPU systems.

It just depends on software vendors if they want to support an old system or not, thats when I believe computers will be deemed obsolete. Who knows how long sandy bridge machines will last, unless AMD or Intel introduce a new sort of processor, I doubt SD will die within 10 years.

If I need windows by then I'll just use wine or hope that react os has made it to windows 7 magically

>discord

what is a good thinkpad for 100-150 that is not total low in power?

t420s with a few simple mods

T430

(You)

not him but it makes me so fucking mad when I see the obnoxious roblox tier memes upon launching the application. I hate discord but have to use it.

Bought a non functional T420 for cheap so I can change its parts and resell it but I stumbled upon this screw. Tried the usual rubber band method but it's too tight.

Is it ok if I force it? How strong is the frame?

>ReactOS
Thats some wishfull thinking there.

it would be magic wouldn't it

Brah, zoom out. If anything its holding the keyboard bezel or keyboard
Forcing it out will strip small grommet or whatever its using, So it should be ok, I don't know if it secures a part of the chassis, because its so zoomed in.

They're doing a lot of things right regarding what a chat program should be but discord would be significantly improved if they dropped the whole XDD GAYMUR MEMES LUL schtick.

It's actually one of the two bottom screws.

Should I buy an X250 for $450? It's IPS and has an SSD and 8Gb of RAM

Is this battery legit?
ebay.ca/itm/112174413211

>Brand: Unbranded
Doubt it

should i just not give a fuck and go with a third party battery then? Im not paying 150$ for a genuine battery
amazon.ca/Enpower-0A36302-Notebook-ThinkPad-T530/dp/B0744JDYPH/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1519012324&sr=8-3&keywords=thinkpad t530 battery

What is the general consensus about the newest thinkpad line, the current year models you can buy on lenovo's site? Are they as good as the old ones?

I'm only regurgitating what other people have said about them
>no removable processors
>thin so probably bad cooling -> throttling
>no removable batteries
I think those are the dealbreakers

You're cool but fuck your discord

Ok thats a lot better, thanks. For the T420? I am thinking it is the palmrest, I don't think its the chassis... best of luck, i would think it would break off internally, but there is a chance it goes to the exterior you see and might not set correctly when putting it back together.

Probs can work... just see what the warranty is.

Define old ones

I like them, then again I like a lot of thinkpads.

You forgot to link to the previous thread ()

>New t series is $2000
>still uses intel
thinkpads are dead rip laptops

I have a thinkpad t450. I want to upgrade the RAM.
Do I need specific ram or will any RAM with the right SODIMM work? I was planning on this:
currys.ie/Product/corsair-ddr3-1600-mhz-pc-ram-8-gb/335994/400.5.0

Since that's the only one I could find that's near me

It would be the best day of my life. Fuck I would donate a shit ton of money if ReactOS could start running every thing.

I haven't donated yet because
>college
but I definitely support their efforts

Where do you lads buy your thinkpads? Ebay?

yep

Is getting 1600x900 on a t430 worth it? The price seems to up from 160-180 to 330 for roughly the same upgrades

Just get the 900p LCD cable and the Alienware Panel.

where did you get the rare trackpoint my dude?
this one I've only ever found the one that unicomp sells but it's red and not gray.

Got a new T440s, pretty slick compared to the old toughbook I had.
Our IT guy is a fool and overspending like crazy.

My ThinkPad charger broke and it'll take two weeks for a new one to arrive. Thankfully I managed to fully charge my X230 9-cell before it broke. Unfortunately, I have to use my X230 sparingly because two weeks is still too long for 9-cell.

Wat do Sup Forums? How will I'll be able to shitpost now? Hell, the time it took typing this post I already lost 1%

Don't you have a phone or a desktop?

>not recommending the *40 series where you can be hands on in upgrading trackpad to and screen
>not recommending x220/t420
but why...?

I got it from a fellow giving away a few 770's, gave some extra loot, not sure if they were unofficial or not, but I think it was made during the 2000 era.

Why isn't the W500 a recommended freedom model?
It's the most powerful libreboot capable thinkpad.
Also the x60t, x200t, x200s, and t400s are also good libreboot compatible thinkpads that one might be inclined to use over the ones suggested in the OP.

I'm broke and poor af, so no desktop. Why else would I have a ThinkPad? And I do have a phone, but come one, phoneposting? I couldn't possibly fall to such a level.

Please get a trip so I can filter such a pathetic human being.

>tripfagging

t480 reviews when

You're quite the attention whore, aren't you.

fingerprint rly dosnt work on x220 w10?

idk my bff jill?

There was no /tpg/ thread, so I decided to make one and do some edits on the recommended models

Fucked up the green text tho.

I don't know if the ATI gpu would be an issue for freedom.

Not all w500 have ati, those without can run libreboot.

Good price for an X61s? I'm eyeing one for $60 right now.

T500 might not have ATI, but what I was told, W500 was all FireGL standard.

Buy my X61 thats missing the Ctrl keys :)

I used to have a W700. It was a fucking beast. W70x is really the ultimate Chad laptop. You can literally go through a brick wall with it, use it as a shield against bullets, crack the head of your enemies, and the laptop will be still good to use afterwards. Not even a dent.

My only dislikes about the W700ds I had was that there was some keyboard flex, though I could of fixed it.

Oh and the second display wasn't great at angles.

>Recommended ThinkPad 13
Is this true? Even for the newest generation?
I need and want a new laptop, not used, but most new ThinkPads are hella expensive.

Just buy a new $150 laptop from best buy
what could go wrong?

I did a more thorough write up of the current gen

>dankpads.com/current-thinkpads/

Maybe buy a refurb and save for 30%?

Checked plenty cheap, new ones out in stores and they were all trash and didn't meet my requirements (256gb ssd, 8bg ram, under 1.5kg, good screen, good CPU)
My budget is not that small, I can go up to about 800€, but the x70/x80 ones are all 1000+.
I saw some interesting Raven Ridge machine but don't remember what line it was.

t470 are going for like $700 now with discounts because of the new line coming out

Not sure about your country's availability, but I feel that you could easily get that if you wanted to buy used.

I'm looking into getting a t400 for travel and lounging purposes. I plan on programming, web browsing, running a VM for the MS Office suite, and playing doom via GZDoom. Can anyone with a t400 compile GZDoom and run some benchmarks for me? I'd really appreciate it.

I live in Germany, haven't seen any cheap new ones. Even the ones with student discount are still 900€+.
Used ones are also expensive, saw X230 for like 300€

T430 or x230 under 200?

X230 if you need that portability and the bottom slice battery.

T430 can get 900p and can upgrade to quadcore
I personally have a T430s with the FHD mod kit, so I might be a bit biased.
X230... i don't care for the HD only display, in addition, I have a Pixelbook for sub 13" laptop.
>or just do the 2570p meme

Well the x230 is 150 and the t430 is 200 the only difference between the 2 is the t430 having 8 gb compare to the x230 4.
I'll would mainly use it during the week while I'm not at home for cs class.
Thing is I was wondering if the 50 buck was worth for getting the x230 over the t430.

Just got a x220t. Anyone messed around with the buttons and remapping them?

Is 145€ a good price for a T430? European stuff (even the used one) tend to be overpriced, but I think this one should be a OKish deal (considering euro-standards).

For instance t400 selling at 130€, t430 290€... Buying from the USA might be a good deal (like (50-70% off) since the dollar is so low and products much cheaper thanks to freedom but still no one want to deal with burgers... Plus they use the silly burger-plug.

With windows 7, probably another 3-4 years until it becomes too slow. With a Linux distro and sdd, it should last until replacement parts become unavailable, so at least 6+ years, if you look after it well.

145€ doesn't seem too bad, but it really depends on the processor, RAM, etc

If you do decide to buy from the US, you need to remember that you'll have import duties to pay. In the UK we have to pay a HMRC customs fee, a Parcelforce handling fee, and any VAT they deem necessary
Also, the plug is easy and cheap to replace. It will be something like pic related on the end that connects to the PSU. You could get one that's two metres for only a few euros

I didn't know that kind of adapter existed, noice.
As for the taxes and fee, well, I know amazon.com charge some extra stuff and they use their own EUR/USD conversion rate but so far buying from the US was always a NET gain for me. I bought two HD there last year and saved ~150€ compared to amazon.co.uk, .fr or .de

I think MacBooks are better

that's your opinion and I'm glad you have one

Any opinion on the ThinkPad 13 Line?
Can get a 2017 one with 512Gb SSD and no OS for 900, grab or pass?

I think you're gay.

N e one know what ThinkPad X200 screen to drop in? Been looking everywhere for some decent info and can't get shit...

That feel when the price double in the last minute on ebay. Why jews prevent me from buying good Thinkpod for pennies...

support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/migr-71896
There is apparently a WXGA+ screen for the x200
I'd do that. The aftermarket support for 1080p+ doesn't seem to exist for the x200

One way or another, they seem grossly overpriced and I'm having a hard time trying to find out where the justification for it is. Certainly not in specs. Perhaps in build quality? Yet they appear more fragile than their older counterparts.

>Define old
Something just up to the t420 or thereabouts? The turning point would somewhere where they lost socketed cpus and the rugged/industrial/bulky feel of older parts. Lets face it. The newest models pretty much look like a standard laptop if you do not look closely at the keyboard layout.
So to me they lost something, but I'm not an expert in these, so I'm asking to anyone in the know if they justify their price somehow.
It's hard to swallow a $1800 price tag when you can literally buy a higher spec'd machine with discrete gpu for less than a grand.

It's shit

I'm looking for a laptop that can be made a dedicated typewriter for nanimo and shit.
Need a good keyboard, capable of be hooked to wifi and be cheap.
What are your recomendations lads?

Tell me that picture is fake.

Care to explain why?

It looks like the x270 wins in 2 of your 3 categories.

Hell, it has a hot swappable battery.

ur shit
they look decent.

Don't really care for resolution on this machine, just want some colors.

70 euros for x230 without battery, hdd, RAM and charger a good deal? I would probably replace all those anyway and I already have a charger.

Shill me a cheap and comfy memepad with good battery duration now :^)

If its proven to function before purchase, then go for it. Although a good battery will still run you a pretty penny.

just got a T60 yesterday (for free). It doesn't have a hard drive, what do you recommend for it /tpg/?

a hard drive

I found an IBM T60 for 40$, it's a good deal?

If anyone wants a cheap FHD IPS screen for their T440p/T440s/T440, laptopscreen's ebay store has many LTN140HL02 available. I got the price under $30.
Description listed various defects it might have (2-5 dead pixels was the only worrying one), but with more than 10 panels available, they can't all be junk.

If you live near Microcenter, get an Inland Professionals 128gb SSD for $35.
Otherwise a Kingdian S280.

>ChinkDian
Do not listen to this man. Just ask csg the opinion of owners (not shills) and you'll see why this is a bad choice.

I have two SU100+ to act as cheap ssds for shitty laptops. They have a red LED on the pcb inside them, so the connectors have a strange red glow. They are also severely warped into a "smiley" shape so they don't fit in the 2.5" cradles.

Anyone here have an x140E? The E1-2500 looks kinda spooky. Also, any thoughts on their battery life?

That's alright. Is it in good condition/not missing much?

A485

Any catch on this one here?
>ThinkPad 13, new for 899€
>i7-7500U
>8GB DDR4 2133MHz
>no OS, so no extra pay for Windows
>matte 1080p IPS
>512GB SSD

Would like to use it for uni and on the train.

>900 jewros for a a new piece of shit laptop that could easily be had for $100 when compared to a tx30

Why are you retarded?

cool thx dude
that should help