This thread is about the appreciation of timekeeping, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch, clock, or other timepiece wound by the atmosphere.
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why are more clocks not made like this?
This mf resurrects from the dead and slaps ur gf's ass and calls you a Se*ko Male
What dO?
perpetual motion?
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Literally nothing wrong with Seikos. My step-dad passed down his Seikos to me.
Hans would probably be mad that we haven't made a 200ns per year accurate quartz watch with all the modern advances we have.
>my step dad
>My step-dad
pls dont tell me you are half black
Show him a modern $4,000 Omega Aqua Terra and we would laugh and or cry together at what had become of Omega
the real problem with apple watch and smartwatches is they are god for a few months, maybe a year at most before the software is outdated and trash.
that and the battery, so what if you shut everything off and put it on minimal power it will last a week *maybe*
a good watch will last forever and can be passed down for generations, it will never become outdated
No one will ever hand down their smart watch. People have and do pass down shitty 200 dolaroo Seiko watches.
>a good watch will last forever and can be passed down for generations, it will never become outdated.
We must be careful with this line of thinking. Already, it is becoming difficult to find parts to pre-Swatch era Omegas (not including the cal.861), and that's just one company. Furthermore, it's not like every watch owner can repair their own watch in the field if something goes wrong. You need precision tools, a clean working area, and replacement parts or the means to make them.
The way I see it, smartwatches simply have a faster planned obsolescence than mechanical ones. This makes sense given that technology is continuously developing on the programming and storage fronts. Anything older than 2 years is obsolete.
Watches have tech that is modified but not entirely different than 50 years ago. That's fine, and it can always work if properly serviced or new.
I think the distinction in the argument needs to be made here: that we're comparing tools that do not require electricity with tools that do. It's that simple. If the iPhone was solar powered, the discussion would be different.
yet people can and do hand down decades old watches
to be honest, if the company stops making legit parts for old watches, I see no problem is using replica parts to repair it
good watch companies like Rolex never plan to make their vintage pieces "obsolete"
Swatch group is just a huge trainwreck
To be honest the problem is even worse for electrical watches. My Longines ESA9162 next week is going to the UK to maybe the only human on the planet that still services them and has parts, and when the remaining Bulova Accutron 214 index wheels finally get used up, they're gone forever.
Correct. And the more respectable companies keep all their old tooling and are capable of making entire old movements if they had the desire to.
>yet people can and do hand down decades old watches
I'm not saying that they don't. But we have to guide this discussion a little more carefully. It started in the last thread basically as a comparison between a digital field watch that could do anything (altitude, gps, etc.) with all the equipment and tools that would be needed to calculate that information manually (compass, altimeter, sextant, etc.). The answer was that an iPhone could do everything in one small device, with the limitations being the availability of wireless link and battery power, and the opposing answer was that the mechanical devices would never run out of battery, be usable all the time, etc. but be heavier and more cumbersome to carry.
If you're out in the field, and something broke on a sextant, you might be able to fix it to some degree. An altimeter might be screwed. If something broke on your iWatch...well, that's it.
But with a mechanical watch it's even worse. Could anyone fix a watch in the field without a toolkit and spare parts? Of course not.
The original discussion is completely different to what we're discussing now; whether or not mechanical watches have longer lifespans than smart watches, and how those lifespans are lived.
Considering that early carriage clocks can still be fixed to work, I think the mechanical watch will be around as long as mechanical devices are around.
The problem with watches that work on electricity is always in the technology that powers them and controls them. Eventually the hardware will break, eventually the charging system won't work, eventually the brake/clutch system will falter. Spring drive will have this problem eventually.
Lmao why take all this gear when all you need is an apple watch. Fucking amateurs lol.
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Spoiler the modern non apple equipment is straight up better and there is no real comparison here at all. There is a reason they use that gear over a single phone/watch abortion.
Even in the discussion I had yesterday when a faggettotroll asked if anyone with a dive watch actually goes diving, I tried to patiently explain that today diving mechanical watches will be used as a primary backup to something like a Suunto Dive Computer.
There are modern versions of old tools that are specialized, more reliable, more accurate, and more precise. Hell, even FitBits (I'm testing one right now) have a rather heavy disclaimer saying that the information they have regarding your fitness may not be accurate or correct, and yet people who don't know any better might rely on them for precise information.
A shame though...in 10 years my FitBit will be in a drawer somewhere, probably unable to charge because USB ports will no longer be in use and unable to sync with my computer because Blutooth tech will be obsolete as well....
Thanks user, that was quite helpful, the alarm works and everything else works
I will look for a watchmaker to get it serviced, it seems to keep time well but it is pretty fucking dirty so it's pretty much given that it hasn't been serviced for a long time
So is there any gay stuff going down when Canada user and movement collector meet up or what? Please post pics of your happy little Toronto adventure e
To my knowledge only major part with spring drive to worry about in terms of repairability is the tri-synchro regulator.
People i know that wear a dive watch diving use it for timing secondary things. Time traveled on a direction and things like that. Not anything critical at all and have never heard of anyone using one as a legitimate back up.
But in general all in in a type things will always struggle to take the place of specialised equipment. The scaled down and back versions are just inferior. Though there will be a point where the difference between is small I suppose and then an all in one will be useful.
How are you finding the fit bit and what type do you have?
It is Canada, after all...
for recreational diving these watches are perfectly fine and the most useful feature is their durability and legibility in a variety of conditions/light levels
Why all divers look like ass
I've use my Seamaster as a legit timing backup...it doesn't really tell me anything else, and I like using it for the purpose. But the habit is always to check the Suunto first, then confirm with Seamaster...not the other way around. I've never had the Suunto conk out...or the Seamaster for that matter. Knock on shell...
I was gifted the FitBt Charge 2 from my brother over Christmas. It was very kind of him, as he knows I'm exercising rather frequently now. In truth I would never have bought one, not now or before, because I simply have no use for them. My exercise routine is governed by my timing over distances and overall physical health (how strong I feel and how strong I feel I can push myself). It's never been about the things that the watch actually measures (distances that may or may not be entirely accurate, steps, heartrate which may not be accurate, etc.). Furthermore, the app starts to encourage certain things which I don't like to see encouraged. I don't need anything to tell me to be more active, to rest more, etc....I've been exercising for a long time, so I've got it figured out.
The saddest thing to me was that there was a recent article that came out in the British press about how Fitbits and other similar devices may not actually be helpful...that their 'goals' and other encouraging things might be less beneficial to you than what we know from traditional training.
So, you ask 'how am I finding it'? Well, I wore it today....and like last time it didn't change how I exercised. It's neat to be able to check your pulse...I guess. But so far I have yet to find a practical purpose for it.
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Yes, this is a definite feature. I can read the time off my Omega from across the room at night...I can't do that with any other watch.
And a fine ass it is. Hayekesque.
Sorry, I forgot to ask. Have you got a FitBit too, and if so, how do you find it?
Finally got my grail lads.
WHat is that, invicta?
How can these companies making such awful watches keep afloat?
>How can these companies making such awful watches keep afloat?
>"I can get this watch that looks like a Rolex for $50!"
>"Man, this big shiny gold watch sure looks neat! Price is low too! I'm getting a great deal!!"
Red pill me on Sinn. Thinking of getting a 104 to hold me off until I can justify a speedy.
It is a good watch but if you really want a speedy the Sinn is already a little over a third of the price. So might as well save up. Depending on what you have already though the Sinn is probably a better daily watch due to being waterproof enough for things such as rain. So maybe getting that first is not necessarily a bad thing.
just get the speedy honestly
I personally really like Sinn, you can beat their watches up so much and they just take it, mine is an excellent outdoors watch.
plus I like their simple no nonsense flat designs
I have been looking at one but don't have one.
Exercise wise I think I'm in the same boat as you. What I'm interested in is I have upped my cardio lately and want a better way than just tracking time because traffic lights and the like can throw that way out. Seeing I was at 80% HR for x% of my run or bike could be a good way to track that. The sleep monitoring stuff is of interest to me as well but more of a gimmick than actually doing anything with it.
So I have only been looking at the sleep tracking versions.
What really puts me off them is how large they look, I figure if I have one I should use it for more than just cardio and it doesn't seem like it suits my everyday wear. Very well.
Thanks for the quality post about your experience with one.
the Miband don't have this problem
For what it's worth, there are different bands you can get for it, and apparently it's easy to change them out. I've never tried. Regarding the style; well, it's very flat, so it'll fit underneath a suit cuff. Furthermore, it does actually tell time, so if you wanted it just for that, it would be fine during the day.
I haven't tested out the charge though; I usually charge it the night before I know I'm running. I remember leaving it out and it went off after 2-3 days...but I don't know for sure. Also, as a practical note, I always try to at least clean the sensor (which sits on your wrist, on the underside of the watchface) after use...I can't honestly believe that sweat is okay on it, so I try to keep it reasonably clean (damp paper towel, then dry).
The word that you use, 'gimmick', sadly describes this watch to me so far. Everything about it seems to be designed for people who need a kick in their ass to exercise. I'm not like that...I do so because I feel better afterwards, I look better, etc...there are so many benefits that they serve as incentives more than a watch like this ever could. The App is free, but illuminating regarding the 'gimmick' aspect. Try exploring the app first, and you'll see what I mean.
Good luck if you decide to go with one.
Good idea checking out the app. I'll give that a go thanks.
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Quartz
Do you own one?
No? Then your lack of demand contributes to the problem
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Swatch males BTFO
bought an Alpinist a few weeks back envisioning what just happened, not expecting it to be happening already. I'm not a big fan and only bought it for resale value, it is completely untouched, still in box and will remain so. What price point do you expect it will have in 1-2 years, 5 years?
>good watch companies like Rolex never plan to make their vintage pieces "obsolete"
Rolex doesn't service watches that are too old.
You realise that when the original parts supply dries up you’ll simply get a cottage industry of people making replacement replica parts independently, right?
With the advances of 3d printing, I'm sure we'll be able to replicate those rare parts with enough precision for a reasonable outlay.
I'm expecting the highest point to be in a couple weeks, before the replacement is announced.
Yea depending on if there is a new Alpinist it could go up or down. The old Cocktail went up quite a lot when it got cancelled last year, but when the new ones came out it came back down significantly.
No but parts are still available and you can go to other watchmakers to have it serviced
For a 60y old watch or older I don't think Rolex will be so concerned
I'm thinking in similar fashion, when movement is downgraded to 5's and a blue/silver alpinist with better movement is announced at Basel
>3D printing is going to have micrometer precision
>even if it does by some magic, it'll be cheaper than a hobbing machine
Yea, sure thing m8.
yeah pretty much this right, just like new cocktail simply beating the old one. I'm only thinking IF a new alpinist would make the green one attractive to proper special snowflakes or simply a cleaner upgrade (doubt it will be green though)
Got myself a Rolex lads :)
Do the chinks who slapped that together honestly think it would fool anyone?
About to order from jomashop - am I making a mistake? Its literally half the price of other online stores and even if it needed (non existent) warranty, repairs from the manufacturer cost half of what I would save. What do you lads think? Any experience?
There was 3D printing down to the molecule more than 10 years ago.
Here's my collection that I've accumulated over the last 10 years.The Seiko's are recent though..Rate and hate.
Shoulda gotten a patek. Rollies are for nouveau riche.
I'd like to see the alpinist in person. I'm not a big fan from pictures but I feel like its one of those watches that looks far better in person. I'd like to buy it or something similar for my little brother who is training to be a mountain guide.
>my glorious Suwa Seikosha with its defective vertical clutch and worn barrel arbor bearings
>one day I shall pass it down to my wife's son
hey you have that casio diver that one guy kept raving about a few months back.
what are the two watches on the top left? that' a pretty bad picture.
pls respond this is my first watch
What is the watch, stupid?
I don't want critique on the watch but rather the website. Its the Hamilton day date auto though
Top left is an old Timex from 1974 that belonged to my dad. The one next to it is a Montine automatic from the 60's that belonged to my grandfather I don't know much about it other than it's Swiss made.
I've had that Casio diver for a long time. It came with a really bad Casio metal bracelet and I never wore it. I recently got back into watches and put the nato strap on it. It's really transformed the look of the watch and I wear it quite frequently.
>a good watch will last forever and can be passed down for generations, it will never become outdated
lol
There are pocket watches still running older than countries being handed down through generations.
But yep your right lol.
what would stop an apple watch from telling you the time in 100 years?
I got a replacement crystal for the Crystron. Originally it was mineral (pic is from a while ago with the original crystal) but I could only get an acrylic replacement for the same profile.
The inside bezel diameter is somewhere above 29.8mm but below 30.0mm. So I got a 30.0mm crystal and it's such a good fit that right now the case is sitting in the pressure chamber underwater at 4 bar and there's absolutely no water ingress. I'm not going to go all the way up to 5, I was already afraid of imploding the crystal above 3 bar.
That's not related to your quote at all lol.
lol
lol there are mechanical clocks running and being used older than religions. lol so out dated lol
Correction: there was some water ingress, but that may come from the crown o-ring.
Hey there are dad's who passed on their Nokia 6630's the first 3g phone to their kids. Disposable consumer electronics are so much better than shitty 200 year old watches that are still running at their designed specs lol
Like old protocols being abandoned? Or batteries no longer being available? Even Accutrons are suffering from the original battery format no longer being available, and those were common coin batteries, not something specifically meant for a single product.
>this watch that relies on 20 year old abandoned gps and cell signals is so great
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Mechanical watches are good for another 50000 years. And even then they might just redefine the length of the SI second instead of adding a leap second to the day, so all you have to do is move the regulator a tiny bit in your 48000 year old Amphibia.
Though Vostok will probably still be producing the same Soviet-spec 2416b Amphibias in the time of the Emprah.
The fact that they arent is the reason that people want to own an ATMOS. Exclusivity is the point
The reason for that is purely that no one cares
I'm pretty sure everyone who wants an atmos can have one. It's just that not many people care.
>implying in the future Putin won't just disallow the vassal state of America to maintain its GPS satellites in favor of GLONASS
They already use it for this exact situation in cars. Porsche prints out of production, low desirability parts since its cheaper
Exactly. Very few people care and that makes it an interesting thing to own
That's a sad way to look at it. I like it because it's interesting, not because it's obscure.
But are these actual working parts that have to take forces?
Yes. Metal parts. There are many different methods used for various types of parts though
Koenigsegg 3d prints their turbochargers, among other parts.
That is my view too, but if you think most people don't buy things (at least partly) with the idea of looking better than everyone else, then you're living in blissful ignorance
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>still three weeks until Baselworld
I can see it for a wristwatch, but not really for a desk clock.
Because turbochargers and turbopumps have ridiculously complicated geometry.
I'd like to see a 3D printed setting lever spring that doesn't just snap or bend or a balance wheel that isn't unbalance-able.
>You wanna see my Seiko chronograph?
Jomashop is legit
Gotta get me one of those birds
Do they ship with tags/manufacturer warranty card? I've read a few forum posts saying people filled out the card and successfully got their manufacturer warranty but they're ~2012-14
