Any suggestions on what kind of server? If possible I would like to implement it myself.
Jordan Barnes
Don't let it 404 this time you fags.
Alexander Walker
This is my question too. For a server you don't really want rolling release so void is out and devuan is a bit unstable.
If it's for a single purpose I would recommend looking into unikernels though.
Zachary Perry
> harmful.cat-v.org/software/ Go or Limbo rather than C++ or Java. JSON or CSV rather than YAML mk rather than cmake not using http rather than lighthttpd OSS4 rather than alsa ed rather than vim ... and a lot more
Is that some joke or are we dealing with some internet "expert" that just makes dumb ass lists of things?
Hudson Robinson
That post was about the minix challenge.
>void is out and devuan NetBSD and OpenBSD?
Chase White
Why does Intel ME use Minix? Why not NetBSD for example? The license allows for cucking as well and it is much more widely used. It even is notably easy to port to whateverthefuck.
James Ross
At the moment a detailed rationale is not provided for most of this, so figuring out why some things are considered more or less harmful than others is left as an exercise for the reader. Here is a hint: complexity is the bane of all software, simplicity is the most important quality. That you don't understand this list, just shows that you don't seem to understand.
Sebastian Johnson
cute heterosexual pair
Isaiah Thomas
It's just a list of stuff old man Pike hates. Most of it justified, some tongue in cheek, some stale memes from the 80s (ed is the standard editor). The dude is a legit Internet expert as much as anyone alive is.
Jeremiah Morris
Whatever pajeet intern they had write ME probably was probably familiar with Minix from their system software class. It wasn't an appropriate choice of OS by any other standard.
Tyler Jackson
>ITT: we do install challenges no one cares about and we pretend to know something about linux but fail miserably and our sole purpose is to feed the ego of a shota paedo apple enthusiast. we broke the record again! This time 4 hours tops! People are realizing this meme has no use and >>/fglt/ provides a better, more focused and in-depth approach to the linux world. Here it's just kids playing with expensive toys, without a clue how to use them.
Nathan Lee
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Brody Ortiz
> complexity is the bane of all software Maybe your language being too dumb to write a good structured parser to something as overall simple as YAML is an issue We're not even really doing all of most of the basics of math set theory here, it barely has a few more things than JSON.
Same problem with everything else. Seems to just fanboy the pretty average shit Ken Thompson and Rob Pike invented. Yea, some of these are viable enough solutions, but almost nothing they did is particularly objectively clever.
> That you don't understand this list, just shows that you don't seem to understand. It's a list that mostly suggests you use useless shit, presumably because of author worship and because it saves some C / Go / Limbo coder the work of improving anything in their standard libraries or language.
The proposition is essentially to spare the programmers and maybe computers work that the end users could do. Fucking brilliant?
At least the proponents of pure FP try to eventually make their tools capable enough that this doesn't happen, while retaining a more provable program flow and more reusable code, rather than waving their hands and going "well, plan9 and its shitty tooling is simple for us, you just do all the work we didn't like to handle yourself"
Brayden Moore
Use groff.
Jonathan Moore
Any tips for debloating OSX?
Gavin Lee
use launchctl to disable unnecessary services
Aiden Hall
Install GNU+Linux.
Robert Gonzalez
>YAML barely has a few more things than JSON It has preprocessor directives, which is all the cancer you need. The whole point of JSON is there is exactly one way to interpret a JSON file.
Brody Morris
You just don't get it my dude. Simplicity is simply better. If you don't understand this, then maybe just leave the thread? No reason for a complicated parser, when a simple one does the job. No reason for a complicated language when a simple one is good (and prevents too much cognitive load taking resources from actually solving the problem at hand) Maybe one day you will understand. For now just stop replying with useless blabbering about shit I don't care about, I won't respond either way anymore.
>It's a list that mostly suggests you use useless shit All of those suggestions are far from useless.
Jonathan Miller
>detailed, competent, argumented discussion >you don't get it. I am right and you are wrong because /minimal/ this thread should auto sage itself everytime, what a bloated waste of bytes
William Kelly
> Most of it justified By what? I feel this is literally just shitty taste - whatever might make things maybe easier for programmers if you code C, Go or Limbo.
None is justified in a comp.sci / logic sense, such as being more sound or decideable.
None is justified in a market sense, where many companies and people managed to successfully adapt and use these for something productive.
What, you mean the two reserved and clearly defined directives "YAML" and "TAG" with nothing else allowed? www.yaml.org/spec/1.2/spec.html
Isaac Foster
>What, you mean the two reserved and clearly defined directives "YAML" and "TAG" with nothing else allowed? TAG statements are almost as powerful as evals, so yes. That's pretty bad.
Leo Collins
>Maybe if I just keep piling shit on top of shit in a very precise manner it will eventually no longer be shit
Leo Cruz
rc probably, but installing another shell when you already have sh is bloat
Nobody runs Unix these days. In GNU, sh is a link to another shell which runs in POSIX mode. For example on Arch it's linked to bash, on Debian to dash, etc.
Joshua Turner
You just need to ensure uniqueness of the tag and associate it with the respective prefix. Where is the problem with that?
Noah Walker
$ which sh /bin/sh either way, using whatever shell it's linked to is more mml than installing another one
Wyatt Taylor
0. How are you posting when you are dead? 1. Why are you so mad at minimalism that you make stupid troll posts like these? 2. Computing has a function, which is it's primary purpose. Fulfilling this purpose in the most simple and easy way is the best way. Don't believe me? Then maybe just take a look at thousands of quotes by established and famous Computer Scientists saying the very same thing on cat-v.org. If you still are not convinced maybe it is really time to kill yourself.
Robert Bailey
is the Mac paedo shota banned? Let's hope so, we could make a serious thread if that degenerate pseud was gone for good.
Blake Bennett
file $(which sh)
Charles Myers
/bin/sh: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64
Thomas Gutierrez
I was away teaching kids to read, sorry!
Ian Gray
dont even try, much easier to go with more lightweight free OS if you want to go minimal
Ayden Jenkins
what picture did the op post this time?
Jack Fisher
It doesnt look too lewd honestly. I expected worst.
Caleb Moore
top five lightest web browsers?
Kevin Price
TUI or GUI? Uzbl and NetSurf for GUI, elinks and lynx for TUI.
Lucas Walker
I was going to leave that up to whoever wanted to answer, glad you decided on both
Gavin Moore
same guy, thoughts on vimb? used to use it a while back but I thought I remember thinking it seemed pretty lightweight, but actually noticing somewhere it was taking up quite a bit of resources
Adrian Lee
Yeah, although some browsers can run in the frambuffer like NetSurf some people love the simplicity of pure text. By the way, support NetRunner :^)
>vimb I know is very minimal on dependencies and looks like dwb which rocks, but havent try it yet.
Henry Powell
Most installers seem to use hard links where they can now. There is no standard way to to determine what /bin/sh is. It's supposed to be a POSIX compatible shell and nothing else.
Jacob Hill
Lynx > Links > eLinks > Firefox > Literally every WebShit browser. Sad but true.
Grayson Torres
You do know elinks code is more minimal and is less processor hungry than lynx right? And only recommending firefox in GUI is weird. I feel like you didnt test much there.
Asher Bell
>You do know elinks code is more minimal and is less processor hungry than lynx right? Not with images and JavaScript it isn't. >I feel like you didnt test much there. I feel like you haven't used a WebKit browser with more than one or two tabs open lately.
Dominic Richardson
Even if the part of elinks is true, which is deceitful to say the least, are you simply ignoring your mistake of putting links as being less minimal than lynx? And what is that about ignoring firefox used webkit and worked fine with multiple tabs? You can stop pretending now.
Ethan Hill
>which is deceitful to say the least Whaaat? >links as being less minimal than lynx Because it does more. >ignoring firefox used webkit No, it never did. Ever. Maybe as a plug-in or something.
Adrian Wilson
>Whaaat? Not an argument. >Because it does more. Retarded argument. >No, it never did. Ever. Maybe as a plug-in or something. Ok, maybe you dont know about iOS. Just stop.
>>Because it does more. >Retarded argument. What metric do you propose to compare them by then? Links is larger in terms of SLOC and it uses more memory and CPU time because it has graphics. >Ok, maybe you dont know about iOS. It's just a client for their sync service harnessed to Safari. How would running the iOS version of 'Firefox' on a regular computer even work?
"Disable shit on macos" project on github Reduce transparency and motion Disable spotlight if you don't need it If you're brave enough disable service with launchctl on your own Launch maintenance on Onyx to purge caches Change permissions of system apps and remove them Check out "make your Mac suck less" on github macOS won't ever be light but it's pretty optimized so it's kind of snappy Safari is the most full fledged minimal browser so use it
Benjamin Lopez
back from last thread to shill my work
i recently wrote a very minimalist memory scanner/editor in under 1k loc
it's basically a lightweight scanmem with more sensible navigation and is possible to use non interactively
Landon Cox
A reminder for anybody using newsbeuter: the project is no longer maintained. If you want updates use newsboat.
Caleb Lewis
>that post You must be English.
Michael Ross
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Elijah Morales
I decided to switch over to i3. I'm loving it so far.
Oliver Young
What is the XFCE plugin that is on Parrot that toggles sleep display? I'm trying to get it on Debian
Andrew Gonzalez
in Saharanpur we speak english as mother tongue so I do not know what you talk about!
Elijah Brooks
>zsh ishygddt
Juan Lopez
Wallpaper pls
Cooper Lopez
What's wrong with zsh?
Juan Diaz
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Angel Campbell
Okay, but in practice, as in using it on a daily basis, what's wrong?
Jaxson Stewart
Still much less bloated than bash.
Also the only shell with a usable vi mode.
Isaiah Wilson
>shell that has builtin tetris game >not bloated
David Evans
What makes you think that bash is bloated?
Aaron Roberts
Takes up more memory and executes scripts slower than zsh.
Isaac Torres
Nice meme.
Aaron Brown
bash is shit, deal with it
Use mksh if you care about minimalism
Chase Barnes
no u
John Brown
zsh is shit, and bash can have vi mode too moron, get your facts right
Anthony Johnson
I said "usable", retard. Bash's vi mode is too awful.
David Robinson
>uses some retarded bloated configuration like oh-my-zsh with a gajillion plugins >BAWW zsh is shit
Sebastian Rodriguez
Instead of falling for the zsh meme install the rc shell.
Jayden Walker
As long as it isn't bash.
Justin Wood
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Kevin Robinson
Install crupix
Chase Howard
>t. unemployed anime lover sucking suckless' cock, getting fed off every bullshit he can get, living the meme dream without a clue how stuff works in the real world and in real jobs.
Gabriel King
really not knowing bash is terrible thing to be, but as interactive shell mksh is simply faster
Benjamin King
>t. rajesh, quora member since 2011
Chase Lee
Why are you so triggered? Did zsh rape your mother?
Liam Nelson
Dumb racist.
Alexander Sanchez
Redpill me on zsh vi mode. What are bashcucks missing out on?
> simply faster > no tab completion dictionaries Cool story Rainman.
Elijah Martin
This
Kayden Watson
Doesn't randomly crap out on you Visual select Proper multiline editing Search as you expect Much much more configurable
Carter Howard
>Visual select Bloat, I use screen for that.
Cameron Allen
screen is bloat I use dtach for that
Oliver Bailey
>t. I don't have a clue what to answer so I'll be as generic as possible, spitting fizzbuzz while pretending to be a system engineer.
Julian Jenkins
>dtach >visual selection Dude
Ethan Kelly
If you ever used bash in vi mode, you'd know what I'm talking about. But you're not and just arguing for the hell of it.
I meant as a replacement for screen detaching, not selection.
Connor Gonzalez
why would you have problem with somebody else using different shell
Dylan Roberts
Oh, and just tested it, no ciw either.
Ayden Moore
Guys lets settle this. A poroduction environment necessarily needs the powerhouse that is Bash for its scripting capabilities and standard. Under Bash there is Dash, more minimal and suited for the servers Debian is in. There really is no point in Zsh for minimalism but the fancy features is what makes it cool and shiny. Now, speaking of minimal shells the better answer is either mksh or rc, I personally suggest rc, because if you are going minimal you may as well go balls deep. What do you say, are we good?
Dominic James
>t. finally someone who knows what he's talking about
Nolan Jones
removing bash on debian or on distros that are based on it is probably not a very good idea.
Isaac Powell
just make sure you replace/symlink a compatible shell before you remove it it should (?????) be fine, maybe
Noah Evans
mksh, rc doesn't make for a good interactive shell - might as well use dash
Minimalism goes to far when it becomes a pain to use. It's like using ed because that's so much more minimalist than vi.
