>7KB png for black text on a white background Bloated. Optimize that shit.
Isaiah Butler
How about the bigger ones for camparison? The ones in KDE or GNOME.
Ethan Long
Pretty sure those stats are not up-to-date anyways. If someone is bothered to make a new one should include way more infos.
Ethan Sullivan
Daily reminder that GNU Bash is bloat.
Jacob Myers
Indeed. Use mksh. Has tab completion and history similar to bash, but is WAY lighter
Jeremiah Ortiz
hella
Jace Martin
So which one of the list. I am bored and want to try one. I heard of slackware in the past. Is that a good start?
David Edwards
>mksh ksh93 has better programming features
Charles Davis
It's also heavier than bash from what I can tell
Jacob Nelson
ksh93 is lighter by 2 MB than bash, at least on my machine
Jonathan Taylor
I have always wanted to get into this but I can never seem to make my tiling wm look decent or have the same functionality as unity or KDE.
Wyatt Bailey
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Connor Anderson
For me, tiling WMs work great on my desktop, but shot the bed when it comes to laptop specif features, like handling the backlight or media keys.
Oliver Jenkins
You should use something like xbindkeys to handle that, and xev to find out the actual name of the media key when you press it
Alexander Ross
what's the WM?
Connor Gomez
any idea how much is Dunst notification daemon useful? dunst-project.org/
Landon Williams
2bwm
Austin Butler
>tfw using UNIX V7 >tfw bugs eerywhere >tfw doesn't scale >tfw no TCP/IP At least it's 1/4 the size of an empty Electron distribution
Brody Bell
I'm debloating macOS Unix. Already replaced bash with zsh and uninstalled other bloatware. I'm not sure which other apps are made by GNU. How can I find all GNU apps?
Sebastian Diaz
I know make is GNU make. Replace it and everything ever breaks, though.
Austin Bell
>debloat >zsh whats the point?
Isaiah Mitchell
So, do all Linux autists want to fuck little boys?
Gabriel Lee
No, I want to be fucked as a cute boy
Bentley Foster
Oh, you meant disk space? Yeah, ksh is bigger. But memory usage is significantly less.
Hunter Martin
little girls here
Logan Foster
Wallpaper name/author?
Jaxson Butler
>hating on GNU I told you OP, the shitposters came here and you are letting them do whatever they want.
Hating on bash is a meme, is better for a production environment, for home use of course may not be the same.
GNU is a project of several programs, not just bash, not just the coreutils, there is more. It has minimalist projects like GNU RCS, GNU recutils, GNU Libmicrohttpd, GNU Stow, GNU Zile, etc. If you dare to say any of those are not an alternative to a more bloated software, then you are in the same situation as bash.
Stop this anti-GNU shitposters OP, or change back the name to GNU/Linux Minimalism Thread.
Brandon Brown
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Alexander Morales
little boys are /minimal/
Aiden Sanders
More specifically, I think we should get rid of the anti GNU shitposters but not change the name back.
Chase Roberts
backlight controls "just werks" on my laptop regardless of wm, not sure if i did anything to get it that way though. as for XF86somethingkeys just map those to whatever command you need it. like the other poster said, xev can tell you the names
John Rivera
The title is bloat, if we change it to /minimalism/ maybe we can include more people without being specific to GNU/Linux. Hell, I dont care is macfags and winfags are here, but the anti-GNU shitposters WILL BRING license wars.
If we let everything minimalism enter this thread wouldn't be a bad thing, I would love to see minimalism beyond software and into hardware. But I dont know, that is just my opinion.
Asher Price
I'm more inclined to keep it open-source minimalism. If you can cherry pick features then it's not very minimal. Also one of the goals of minimalism is reduced attack surface.
Ryder Walker
any tips to debloat debian? sitting on ~1000 packages with my setup, gues it will go down after i switch from xfce to i3/bspwm, haven't found good config to use on it yet
Christopher Scott
How easy is it to replace GNU coreutils with busybox on CRUX? I see that there is a port of busybox, is it as easy as just installing that port?
Adam Collins
>bash bash a shit. Almost every useful feature it has has been imported from ksh and the best ones are still missing (multidimensional arrays, for example). The only good thing it ever did was replacing csh as the default shell in poorfag OSs that didn't ship Kornshell.
>GNU RCS, GNU recutils, GNU Libmicrohttpd, GNU Stow, GNU Zile Literally no one (except GNU/Zealots) uses those. Everything but coreutils, gcc, bash, and glibc is so irrelevant it's not even funny.
Julian Jenkins
>is better for a production environment, Why? Because it's slow and full of non-standard features?
>GNU is a project of several programs, not just bash Only GNU bash was mentioned though. And GNU software does have a pattern of bloat. Bash, glibc, coreutils, Gnome, Emacs, autotools, info, gmp, ...
Stop the anti-minimalist GNU shitposters
Charles Foster
Ok I agree, maybe is just the title that bothers me that is why I want it debloated, I dont like to welcome shitposters. There is already a explanation in the OP that we discuss minimalism in Unix. Maybe generalize minimalism in open source to include other open source platforms? Like, not putting the focus on Unix so you dont give an excuse. I am the user who likes FreeDOS btw, that's my bias.
Camden Bell
Package count is not an account for bloat. A software can be split into several packages so you only need to install what you want. This increases the package count and is the opposite of bloat.
Nathaniel Lewis
What's ironic is that GNU people appear to be whining far more than anti-GNU people in these threads.. Nobody brought up licenses until you did. Also, I will not be "stopping people" or "getting rid of people". That's a CoC mentality.
On a much lighter note though, Zile looks pretty good. I can't wait till they actually release the "lightweight vi clone"!
Owen Johnson
>tfw the shitposting starts
Xavier King
I thought of open source so we could include open hardware, like raspberry pi and arduino but I guess other software platforms are fine too.
Asher Hall
I was dead serious, that was not meant as a shitpost.
Evan Bennett
Arduino is the least minimalist MCU platform choice you can make.
Kayden Garcia
>i-it's just shitposting >GNU/stronk!
Adrian Ramirez
>Unix minimalism Is here actually anyone using Unix? Isn't it dead since about ~40 years? What is this unix posting meme anyway? >Unix here, unix there, unixporn, unix minimalism
Listen here faggots. Unix is a dead system. Nobody uses it except that one guy who will reply. UNIX is a trademark, you can get certs for it like Apple did for macOS. There's also no need to glorify Unix or UNIX. Unix was a proprietary system. UNIX means 'let's sue the shit out of everyone'. Unix was shit. UNIX is shit. Stop the madness.
Wyatt Hernandez
that's not what i meant, looking for useless preinstalled stuff, had to remove libreoffice and all that shit, though i guess most of it came with xfce
Brayden Lee
Thank you for listening, I am holding it back not to answer shitposters but damn they like to throw bait.
Brody Reed
This gotta be the most useless general on Sup Forums right now. It won't be long until people turn it into a desktop screenshot circlejerk showing 1 MB RAM usage.
Kayden Moore
I told you OP. They want to nuke this thread now.
Jose Miller
Can't touch the speccy threads.
Asher Barnes
I see. Wouldn't be easier to start from a minimal install? Also 1000 is pretty low for Debian. Your system is much more minimal than a ~800 packages Arch or Gentoo install.
Noah Jones
Wow, the autism that gets unleashed when someone insults GNU
Joseph Kelly
Calm yourself. "Unix" is in reference to free operating systems that function in a very similar way to UNIX, and could be considered as clones. This would be the various distributions of GNU/Linux, as well as the free and open-source operating systems based on BSD Unix, and a few other niche systems.
Easton Bailey
Don't give them your (You)s.
Gavin Fisher
Since you cannot post your degenerate pictures anymore, and I hope the feds are on their way to your basement, might aswell post apple shilling images to refect your personality more.
Thomas Parker
is this the new desktop thread?
Joseph Thomas
Hey Sup Forums, what's the best minimal and lightweight Unix without bloat?
Blake Powell
The OP should say "Linux", since it's a more minimal and universal description than "GNU/Linux".
Levi Miller
high sierra ofc OwO
Sebastian Jenkins
Linux is a kernel.
Jose Turner
>UNIX is a trademark
>not pirating the trademark and using it how you please >being an IPcuck
Eli Gomez
...or a term for a OS based on the Linux kernel. It's pretty clearly from the context.
Ian Martinez
Like Android?
Ian Watson
UwU I dont like apple. I just like Windows even less. On the Linux side, i'd say either Gentoo or Alpine. Alpine is a distro that uses musl and busybox, which are very lightweight. Gentoo obviously has the advantage of customizing your system with USE flags and such, and I think they have a Uclibc install option. Also, neither of these use Systemd (Gentoo has it as optional).
On the BSD side, I hear that Open and Net are the lightest of the three. The suckless/cat-v types seem to really like OpenBSD in particular.
Ayden Rivera
Android isn't Linux.
Gabriel Davis
>Android This is the exact reason why I try to say GNU/Linux. Distance our systems from relation to Jewgle
Charles Jackson
This
Ryder Fisher
It contains the same amount of Linux as GNU/Linux systems: the kernel.
Aaron Jackson
Android is Linux. I have bash installed on my phone.
It has some nice minimalist stuff like bionic
Elijah King
But saying GNU/Linux also distances you from Alpine, gentoo, etc..
Ryan Parker
Gentoo afaik is typically GNU/Linux, aside from some optional alternate libcs. But overall, I get the idea of what you're saying. Maybe we need a new name for this. Something that keeps it from being related to Jewgle botnet, but without the occasional inaccuracies of calling it GNU/Linux.
Jaxon Perry
BASH is BASH. Linux is Linux. Android is Android. I know it's hard.
Camden Bell
Maybe it's Unix?
Samuel Clark
>Gentoo afaik is typically GNU/Linux, aside from some optional alternate libcs. Gentoo devs intentionally chose to not call Gentoo GNU/Linux. And they aim to let the user choose non-GNU alternatives as much as possible.
>Linux is Linux So we should only go with the most used best known definition? >Linux (/ˈlJnəks/ LIN-əks)[9][10] is a family of free and open-source software operating systems built around the Linux kernel.
Nathan Lewis
>Even the Linux kernel devs call it the "Linux kernel" instead of just "Linux" >Linux is a kernel
Jordan Jenkins
I have bash installed in my mac, does it mean I'm using Linux?
Eli Hill
It means you're running GNU/Mac
Mason Turner
I agree with this.
Brayden Thomas
Linux (GNU) is basically FreeBSD (Unix) developed by Nintendo.
Aaron Collins
htop and top are too bloated. Which switches do you use to make ps nice?
Grayson Lewis
every system using the linux kernel can be called linux. Not every system is free, as in free beer + freedom, so not everything can be called GNU/Linux.
Owen Richardson
This leads to a question. What is more important for minimalism less disk space or less memory usage?
Landon Clark
Reminder that if you can't mirror your set-up on a Pi you're not really minimal.
Asher Robinson
Not him but why not both? But, if I had to privilege one, I'd say loc (disk space) is the most important count.
I like how you think.
Parker Evans
I made a guide on how to compile the kernel with options to debloat in extreme ways and more gentle ways, you can mix options to suit your needs github.com/mayfrost/guides/blob/master/KERNEL.md
Also I updated the guide on installing CRUX and SMGL, trim it a little by leaving only Lilo as the bootloader of preference put bootloaders in its own guide. Also the package management commands of CRUX and SMGL are in another guide called distros.
There is more guides in there like IRC and I am preparing more. Feel free to contribute your ideas, everything is in FDL.
Jacob Turner
Is it really necessary to make this a general? Why can't this just be discussed as an independent topic? I thought this too, so I switched to rc. Then I switched back to bash, because I realised I depended on history (reverse-i, !!).
Carter Turner
kek
Matthew Moore
I like this general, made me contribute to work and help other anons.
Jordan Lewis
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Alexander Campbell
On the shell mem usage topic, here's what they use for me, from what htop showed. SHELL . VIRT . RES . SHR mksh . . 4664 . 1660 . 1464 bash . . 11568 . 3624 . 3140 ksh93 . 16884 . 3236 . 2896
Andrew Green
alpine is far more minimal than gentoo
Luis Lee
Doesn't the Pi shit itself the second you try and do anything above the level of the framebuffer TTY?
Bentley Cook
What's the most minimal way to install latest KDE?
