>GoLang Might as well use sepples for web development. Even Csharp core has better performance except the lightweight part. Use a real backend and stop being a NIH faggot that doesn't serve a real product to begin with.
>getting upset over a language existing peak Sup Forums retardation
Anyways meistertask > trello for smaller projects.
Michael Rivera
Fourth for pure PHP
Liam Myers
Yet Another Project Management Tool #1452
sigh
Jonathan Barnes
>Even C# has better performance Quite literally does not
Parker Morales
All these project management tools and you're still here on Sup Forums without any products shipped. Sad!
Isaac Rogers
Could say the same about you
Sad!
Noah Hernandez
>No you >Mimickry kek hit a nerve
Jason Russell
>still posting on Sup Forums with no shipping products to show for
kek
Daniel Kelly
Well it is on par. See benchmarks in previous thread. Go is trying to bring back the internet to the 80's by providing C tier built in functionalities and the only good thing is concurrency which you can get in ASP by changing the method signature. It would be a lot more useful as an easily interoperable language for backends like a side bitch but even that would be useless as most backends can use libraries built with C AND many other languages. err is never nil with golang
Parker Russell
>See benchmarks in previous thread You mean all the worthless blog posts that one guy kept insisting were valid?
>err is never nil with golang It is a massive amount of the time if you're not an idiot, to the point where I don't even do error checks on function returns 90% of the time. You've very clearly never used Go if you think it's trying to replicate 80s style programming.
Jayden Miller
make eCommerce single page app with react is a good idea?
Julian Kelly
KEK stay mad nu-COBOL
Ryder Martinez
React is good for anything, it's just that good. Unlike PHP which is shit and reserved for pajeets.
Charles Taylor
Not an argument
Jaxson Morris
how would I go about making this paged selection thingey with limited JS knowledge? and does it have a name that makes it easier to Google?
Gabriel Gonzalez
carousel or pagination?
Luis Perez
it's a carousel. It needs very little js knowledge since there are already libraries like owl carousel or slick nav.
Jack Hernandez
Carousel I guess? It's supposed to be kinda like how you swipe to switch pages on your phone's homescreen
>owl carousel or slick nav I'll check those out, thanks
Sebastian Bell
Because you and have one? Go was made for pantsu on head retarded google 'developers' just for sake of string operations. Literally a language for playing with strings! >no proper IDE >dependency mangament a shit >shit garbage collector >no reason to use over well-structured web focused frameworks >for retards >shit syntax >hard to mock >pointers >compiled >nil >C tier error handling >lacks dozens of features like map and filter >only basic types and not even algebratic types >it is not as felxible as python nor is it powerful as C That is not even half of it.
Christian Perry
no language is meant for all use cases what do you think people are doing in Go thats hurting your emotions so badly?
Isaac Phillips
Also, generics is an important one.
Adrian Davis
I am really interested in having a good OP, so don't take the following critique personally please.
If a link isn't useful enough to refer people to it on a consistent basis, then it's ultimately useless clutter. Lets say someone completely new to webdev opens up the thread and checks out the OP. What use is a link to Babel to him? WTF is he going to do with mariadb.org?? Learn that a piece of tech with that name exists?
Literally the only useful links are beginner guides for newcomers and maybe currently relevant information, like the list of talks in 2018 at the end of the OP. The rest is a waste of characters.
>IRC why advertise some other gathering place? Do you like that one the most? What if everyone would try to post their discord or forum address? >Code editor: I too use VSCode, but there is no reason to single it out. The OP isn't the place for personal preference >SSG based on Ruby: >SSG based on nodejs: useless links >JS compiler: useless in the OP, no beginner is going to read about Babel and Elm and those who might get a use out of it don't find out about it first from a /wdg/ OP >Popular frontend frameworks: >MEAN stack why single out MEAN? >LAMP stack: >Backend web frameworks: >API query languages: >Databases: All useless links >Server: those 2 links don't even relate to each other. So people should get servers from AWS? what's the reason behind that link?
James Sullivan
>damage control You wanted arguments and here they are. I didn't mean to hurt your butt.
Jeremiah Clark
>im so retarded, debate me!!! This isn't the thread for language wars.
Alexander Harris
>Go was made for pantsu on head retarded google 'developers' >he thinks this is how you discuss things with people >internalize Sup Forums spam and regurgitate it yikes
Henry Allen
When I develop a react application I have zero problems with styles. I simply write import './component-name.css' and it just works™.
But as soon as I want to make a reusable library I have a problem: I need to somehow extract my styles, put them into the separate css in dist directory and somehow force user to import this css file when the library is imported. How do I do it?
Ryan Long
Nothing at all wrong with well constructed, modern PHP. It's just the pajeet tier programming that has given PHP a bad rap.
Noah Turner
Sure thing kid
Aiden Ross
Why is something like react useful?
Can anyone with experience give me a practical example?
Bentley Evans
It's good to make yourself feel better because you're making higher order components, but honestly, it's just a view layer and Vue.js is superior if you want only that, and Angular is superior if you need something with real functionality behind it.
Bentley Jones
React enables reusable components which means less code to write. There's a plethora of react libraries already available that you can integrate into a project. It's lightweight, fast and enforces good coding practices.
Bentley Hill
whats are your guys thoughts on WebAssembly and its possible uses? has anyone written a practical example in which its better to use it?
i swear all devs need an alarm clock that reminds them to "keep it simple stupid" every 3 hours
Landon Cruz
Sometimes things get complicated. #life #itscomplicated
Ethan Johnson
so that's how we end up with redux react graph ql powered blogs
Chase Johnson
Gatsby is pretty awesome desu and far from complicated.
Jackson Murphy
It's a great demonstration of the devs technical capabilities (and I'm sure contributing to the project is also easy brownie points), but it's completely unnecessary for like the 95% of people who are considering it for personal sites/blogs.
Jace Hill
Seems like something that you could smooth over in a webpack config
Nicholas Ross
Yep, I definitely could perform some random rituals with ExtractTextPlugin and get two files — dist/component.js and dist/component.css, but: 1. I don't want to spend too much time crafting proper webpack incantation. I hoped someone could provide a simple working example. 2. I hope that there is a better way than generating these two files. I.e. naive approach would require library user to explicitly require dist/component.css, but there could be a solution which would magically import it whenever the library itself is imported.
Luis Cox
Just started learning angular about 5 days ago, learning about routes right now, angular 5 is pretty fucking cool.
What are some good projects to build for a greater understanding of angular 5/one page applications in general?
Gavin Morales
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Owen Adams
Meh, WordPress? I know that most people will still use WordPress taking into account its popularity, one-click installers and third worlders that know how to "code" aka installing plugins. Wordpress is a bloat, an outdated one at that with a myriad of security issues that keep reappearing. Ghost is an okay alternative but only tech-savvy people use it. However, we, the tech savants, should know better so things like Gatsby come in handy. People are offered choices and the sheeple will opt for pricey underperforming shared hosting packages and bloated WordPress themes and dozens of plugins. At times I feel pity for them but ultimately it is their own fault. They choose the ignorance manifested in the form of WordPress.
Lucas Howard
In my job I encountered a client with a json rest backend api written in bash scripts
I'm serious, they wrote an entire server in bash script
Aaron Green
>Can anyone with experience give me a practical example? Fuck no, that's too much work. Literally nobody in a thread on Sup Forums is going to do that. If you're not satisfied with an abstract explanation of it then you can go fuck yourself. The value of component-based systems for UI is self-evident.
Ayden Lee
well that's one way to encourage suicide
Luke Clark
Sweet, what's the performance like?
Chase Garcia
terrible
granted it's iot, so the server isn't running on strong hardware
Carson Turner
>terrible based on what you say that?
Hudson Ortiz
This xkcd is relevant to web development as a whole, the scene is a clusterfuck right now and I hope we all figure out how to make everything nice and simple in the future
Nathan Perez
What personal projects are you working on right now?
Ryder Turner
Noob here, what is a 'component' in this sense?
Samuel Gonzalez
Can one or some of ya'll give a simple explanation of what Promises are? From what I understand you write in a Promise to make something occur whether something else returns true or if it returns false.
Ryan Hernandez
Tools like react, vue, angular, ember, and some other garbage are all easiest to consider in their relationship with the web components standard.
The idea behind web components is basically that it would be great if the developer could register his own html tags and then use them on the page directly. Like in the html5 spec you have an input element, and it has all kinds of behavior. You have a video element and it has all kinds of behavior. You have an 'a', and a 'p' and they do things. They're great because you can use them all over the place as self-contained ui components and do stuff like hang css off of them. They have their own presentational rules, their own javascript apis, their own internal rendering and lifestyle logic. So why can't we write our own components with js / html / css and use them the same way? Doing so would allow us to add to this library of useful primitives, and then my components would be available for use all throughout my project with a simple API and straightforward behavior.
As it turns out, this is a really simple and effective way of building UI libraries. Code reuse is high, complexity is low, and when combined with vdom it becomes very performant and prevents the spaghetti-code of explicit two-way binding. React, vue, angular, et al, provide different mechanisms and ecosystems for doing these things.
Owen White
Situation: There are 16 competing standards.
Xavier Ramirez
>I hope we all figure out how to make everything nice and simple in the future With uniformity enforced and no chance of variety. A nightmare scenario.
Evan Sanchez
>you write in a Promise to make something occur whether something else returns true or if it returns false No.
You write a promise to make something occur when something else is done occuring, whether that is right now or later.
wait(1000).then(() => alert('it has been 1000ms'));
I don't test things before I post them.
Wyatt Miller
function sleep(ms) { return new Promise(resolve => setTimeout(resolve, ms)); }
Gabriel Howard
I mean, that's not applicable to the KISS viewpoint. Especially not in web where all these tools do different things in different ways, so there isn't "15 competing standards", there's 15 different ways to do things that depends on what you're trying to do.
Which is where I think a lot of people get confused because they're so used to just one standard and no other path, but the freedom Web allows is IMO the best part about it.
Luis Torres
Check out my new PHP library
It validates form data on the client and server automatically. The catch is that it can only validate using regex, or check for two fields matching (like repeating your password)
Joseph Bennett
I'm doing a course on Udemy and while I'm starting to understand the frameworks and different shit I need to use I still feel like I'm lacking in actual programming/vanilla js stuff. Am I going this the wrong way?
Jonathan Sanders
Yeah you're only stifling your own potential with that. Frameworks are nice and cut down on a lot of time but if you don't really know how it all works then you pretty much waste a lot of time fucking with shit that would otherwise be really easy.
Angel Brown
people can still keep using their meme frameworks of choice. right now we don't have a standard, we have a huge load of tools being dumped everyday reinventing the wheel with little benefit and being embraced like the second coming of christ. all this hype just doesn't feel right, surely we could do better.
Sebastian Gonzalez
Thing is I don't even know where to start learning about vanilla js with actual real world applications. How the hell would I make things I can make with express without it. I can't seen to find a decent resource for that.
Charles Brown
Dude you have to learn the fundamentals first. Please put aside your big dreams of large applications for about six months and learn how to write a to-do list or something basic in actual JavaScript so you can learn what the DOM is and event handlers and all that jazz.
Ayden Perry
Why would you not google this shit?
Nicholas Lopez
I know all that shit tho, at least I think I do. Maybe my understanding of vanilla js is different from the usual
But seriously, I just started playing with Golang. Set it up as a web server serving simple html page.
If I wanted to make a more complicated/interactive website, is that all I need from the backend? Now I just need to make the front end with JavaScript/PHP/CSS/etc?
What else should I learn for the backend?
Jaxson Lopez
>What else should I learn for the backend? Databases Server-side input validation Authentication Authorization
At the very least
Nicholas Baker
So try to work in vanilla JS and build projects that you think can be done with that constraint. If you know all that shit then you will know what is possible and what isn't. Technically everything is possible with vanilla JS, you just need to understand how to build it and how everything interacts with each other and the web page.
Like a to-do list for example, it's a common exercise for a reason, it involves DOM manipulation and event handling. Have you tried making one before?
Isaac Wood
Do you think that a lot of these frameworks will become less relevant once custom elements become more widely supported, user?
Ryan Gray
not that user
There is still declarative rendering. If it was just the components, then you could just use some templating engine instead.
Aiden Parker
Can I just focus on Back-end using Ruby+Python and still be able to buy my dinner? Front is 2design4me and these days everyone seems to want Full-stack overworked monkeys, which is insane from a beginner's perspective.
Joseph Wilson
Here's the part where you need to do your own research and see what's in your region lmao
Justin Harris
Just messaged someone on linkedin for a job. Pay is 45-50k/yr with lots of neat benefits. The owner asked if I wanted to meet over lunch. Problem: I'm socially inept and don't drive. I can already imagine myself dropping a plate of food on my lap, and especially stuttering when the bill comes, "uuu-ummm h-how much i-is i-i-it?"
What do? I can't let this shit hold me back forever,anons. I need to establish my life. Give me advice, pls. :(
Christian Young
chill the fuck out, stop expecting the worst you lack social practice, you aren't legitimately retarded so go get some practice
Gabriel Mitchell
Google "how to deal with social anxiety"
Joshua Campbell
any houstonfags here? how's the job market over there? looking to move after graduation
Andrew Taylor
How do we end the single page scrolling forever cancer? It shouldve ended in 2015
Elijah Nguyen
This code does not seem to pass the array to function console.log(visitList); sortByKey(visitList, "visitTime"); console.log(visitList);
I can see the logs of the visitList but a log inside the function shows nothing. But if I call sortByKey(visitList, "visitTime");
In the console once the page is loaded it works fine. What am I missing here?
Julian Brown
There are far more important aspects to complain about and fix than "single page scrolling forever cancer". Quite literally the least cancerous aspect about website trends.
Lincoln Edwards
Anyone here working with OpenUI5? I hate it
Levi Carter
Here is the function function sortByKey(array, key) { console.log("HELLO"); console.log("key=%s", key); console.log(array); console.log("x: %s, y: %s, x
Austin King
mmmm no thanks.
Blake Ward
guys I got a job offer from Canada
Hunter Powell
I'm trying to setup a web host for a public repository with videos, audio, the works. Can anyone point me in the right direction for building a dedicated server?
Lucas Allen
>building a dedicated server Do you mean like hardware, like you're building the computer to host yourself? Or like a software stack to do that?
Jacob Phillips
>dedicated server Now there's a name I've not heard in a long time.
Joshua Rivera
>OpenUI5 is an open source JavaScript UI library, maintained by SAP >UI library, maintained by SAP >UI library >SAP
Sorry buddy, you're gonna have to kill yourself.
Isaac Green
>Server-side input validation Why? Surely you build all that into the front end?
Thanks though, will take a look into it!
Kayden Martin
It's easy to send a GET/POST/whatever request directly to your server, containing whatever content they want, entirely bypassing your front-end code.
Jackson Wright
This right here is why self-taught programmers shouldn't be a thing.
David Gomez
>develop an SPA website >self-tested, nothing wrong >try to deploy >some users says they can't open the site from mobile >dig deep into the code, nothing wrong >some users insists the issue persists >ask users to visit a test page >most users passed the test >finally found the problem >during ajax call, the XHR doesn't fire, returning readyState of 0 >haven't heard of this before >salesforce.stackexchange.com/questions/158448/response-status-is-0-in-jquery-ajax >>A Status Code of 0 means "the browser refused to honor the request." The funny thing is, since there are other users using the same browser and they don't seem to have this issue. It's the network, right? Have you ever heard of mobile operators screwing your website's ajax call before?
Kayden Lopez
Modern frontend frameworks have a way of shutting that down.
