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Between the Black Bay and the Pelagis which one is more trve kvlt avthentic?
How do I keep my watch from sliding down to my hand?
I have this problem with all steel bracelets, either uncomfortable tight or falls to my hand....
Best Turtle coming through.
Virgin betas need not apply
You swap it for a leather strap.
Yes, this has been the understanding on the WUS discussion as well, however that's why if you want one the easiest way (according to them) is to e-mail Mr. Oh directly to get on his list, and then he'll e-mail you when it's available.
The interesting thing about the Tisell is that you can choose different crowns (not everyone likes the diamond crown, though I do...you can get it in an onion style, or in a 'hammer' style), and there are options for sapphire glass, though it's not entirely clear if that's referring to the rear window (as the front is assumed to be slightly curved sapphire).
Probably by May or so I'll see how things are going, and if need be, put myself on the waiting list. Or maybe by May my wants will change, and I'll abandon the idea. Already it seems like I have too many watches to wear and enjoy, so one more might simply be overkill. It's sad but true...I think I've gotten to that stage.
Thanks for the advice.
But I liek Steel
Bracelets are shit and never fit for some people. You might be one of them. Can't do anything else.
Today I went to the Seiko store in my city and let me wear a Grand Seiko. It was the SBGX261, the black with quartz. I was really impressed, its 2500 euro. But I told it to my brother and father and they keep saying its still a seiko and that I must buy a tagheuer or breathing, thoughts? (sorry for my bad english)
Why the fuck it is so cheap?
It's shilled and discontinued, but that's way lower than usually.
Well, a GS is definitely better than tag huehue or breathnig.
Not bad for your first time op
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Any opinions on the zinvo Chrono quartz?
First of all quick search shows you can get that watch for about 1k usd less if you go grey market. Second if you like it get it. Pleb non watch people opinions should not matter
Well fuck
Do you have the option of getting any half-links? That might be the answer. My wrist expands and contracts depending on weather and fitness, so sometimes it's snug above the ulna and sometimes it's loose, resting against the upper side of the back of the hand. It's life, with a metallic bracelet.
Leather bands will be the same though, because it's still a fixed length when you use a tang. The only bracelets that don't do this are the expansion bracelets that are springy...I've never tried one, but I think in theory they should solve your problem, though some are obviously more attractive than others.
I'd be so down for one of these if it didn't have that gay "X" and "Automatic" on the dial. The originals just had "Divers XXXm" in orange, which looked way better.
Funny enough the most comfy watches I own are my digital Casio. The slide and lock clasp allows for a perfect fit.
>thinly plated gold diver
Just wear a shirt that say “I’m a poorfag”
No problem. I didn't realise the man you could email was basically Tisell, I thought he was slightly separate from them sort of like Meranom and Vostok. For the price the watch seems to tick all the boxes for a sterile Flieger, and like you I wanted the bigger size despite having thin wrists, I wanted it to look "authentic" rather than just like a normal sized watch. Kinda glad I didn't get one though what with the SARB announcement.
I could try that, thanks.
But I have 4 bracelet watches, I don’t think they are all slightly the wrong size. I was hoping for some trick
Size it correctly. Have you used the microadjustment at the clasp?
I’ve tried my best yes
Put on/lose weight
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Well, I haven't e-mailed him, so I'm only reporting what I've read so far on WUS, but that is the gist. The Seagull movements are made in China, then they are cased in South Korea and regulated there, so that when they're shipped to customers they should be excellent out of the box. The guy (Mr. Oh), unlike HKED for Seagull, is still a direct representative (or perhaps owner?) of Tisell, so when he e-mails, it's the word of god. So, we'll see in May if/when I e-mail him.
The price is astonishing...149$ for an automatic Flieger with decent (but reported to be sub-par) Lume and clean lines. I can't think of a better bargain, especially since the movements are regulated after they've been cased. With the Seagull's that has been a problem with their quality control (many accounts of the 1963 chronos having problems depending on what year or what month you bought them in), but with Tisell apparently it shouldn't be a problem at all, and I haven't read of anyone yet having a serious problem with theirs upon delivery.
Regarding the SARBs; are they discontinuing the whole line, or is it just specific parts of the line? There seems to be something of a small panic floating around watch forums right now about it, but it's difficult to parse out the details. Which SARB are you going to get?
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That's just how they fit, you get used to it. I only wear bracelets myself and I've come to prefer the loose fit.
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Look ma, I posted it again.
Have you not tried the micro adjustment holes on the clasp? That might be a silly question but just thought I'd ask
BASED
Tag and Breitling are terrible brands. I'd take a GS any day over one of those.
Same as with the Alpinists and SARBs popping up for sale at those prices: hacked account.
Yes I tried
Have you taken any links out?
Yeah, I was impressed with everything I read about the watch and real life pictures certainly reinforced that. Hopefully that's still the case.
The Seiya announcement 2 weeks ago was that the the 033, 035 and 017 were going to be discontinued and then presumably all replaced with newer models with a slightly less desirable movement. I've always had my eye on the 033 and I knew I'd kick myself if I missed out, so I had no hesitation buying one, especially as used ones sold in the UK seem to sell for higher than new ones from overseas. It's currently somewhere in the country so I should have it soon.
Omg. Look at this 1969 Rolex explorer.
So much nicer than the current one.
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Based
I actually had to add a few
8.75 wrists
This is a 48mm watch, the only one that does not look tiny on me, always having to hunt down extra links stinks though
Soo if you actually buy one, you're not gonna get the watch?
Idk, man, is your wrist bone not prominent enough to be able to stop it from sliding down?
Redpill me on calculator watches
No promises friend
Fugg, it'll probably sell for 10k
I guess not unless pretty tight, Tudor makes a diver clasp that has a spring tensioner in it for wet suits, it’s $300 but I would buy one if I knew it would keep a watch comfortably snug
It's shit
I like eighties watches, one of my daily watches is the GW-M5610-1ER. But a calculator watch goes to far.
>direct representative
I think it's just the one guy doing all of it.
Well, I hope the Sarb reaches you quickly and without any dents in the box. Waiting for a watch in the mail is like waiting for a volcano to explode, and usually all we get is laughter from the mailman...
For those hacked accounts, no you're not. You will most likely be refunded though.
It may be a real person selling real watches... But all signs point to it being another one of those hacked accounts.
I've got one like pic related, but in black. Had loads of complements on it, probably because they're rarely seen. I think they're great. Practical too, since I do carpentry.
>no activity on the seller account for over a year, all of a sudden has a bunch of brand new super cheap name brand watches
>no previous watch sales at all
Hacked account
Damn, that's insane, I'll be watching that with interest, could be some crazy bidding.
My gut tells me this as well, but as I don't have much evidence to support it except hearsay on WUS, I thought it best to leave it in the realm of 'possibly'.
Thankfully though his reputation, like HKED, is sterling, so if/when I decide to deal with him, I'm not worried. It's scary actually, when I start to think about it. For a long time I assumed that mechanical watches started at 800 or so, perhaps Longines being the lowest rung, and then it just goes up from there. But a few weeks on /wt/....and now I've got a 300$ column wheel chrono and I'm considering a 149$ Flieger automatic.
I'm starting to seriously wonder if the Swiss are going to be in for a very serious correction soon, because if, and this is a big IF, if the Miyota and Seagull movements could be manufactured to extremely high and reliable tolerances, while still being sold at prices sub-300, it would be like the Swatch decimation of lower to mid tier watches, only using mechanicals instead of quartz....but this might just be all hyperbole...
But it's the first time I've thought to myself, 'a plain watch, only telling the time....why would I need an ETA variant or 'improvement' instead of a Miyota or Seagull clone?' Right now I can't answer that question..
Annoyingly I've had to have it sent to my parents' house since it's a signed for delivery and the chances of me being in when it's delivered are zero, and the chances of me being able to get to the depot when it's open are almost zero. So I'm unlikely to get the watch until Sunday.
Well the Seiko movements are very reliable and cheap, and always have been, and very few people use them. The strength of the "Swiss" word in the eye of the average buyer means those cheap watches aren't going to take over the world of mechanical watches, which are just a luxury.
What's even the point of the hacked accounts? For random people's details?
If it was a new account with 0 sales, nobody would trust it.
>muh real gold
Pathetic virgin spotted
Maybe to coast your scam on the legitimate seller's rating?
oh boy
Do Casio make sarb level automatic watches?
> hack account with hundreds of positive feedbacks
>list 50 of some deiserable item at far below a fair price
>sell a ton in a day or 2
>keep money, never had item
Pretty simple desu
Casio doesn't make automatic watches.
Maybe I should put it another way. Yesterday after seeing >64997465, at first I thought the flieger in the pic was something along the lines of the usual IWC or whatever. After being kindly informed that it was an Archimede, and that there were many other options for a simple open-face no-name flieger, I started to run into more an more options that were far less expensive than the Stowa or others, all with mechanical movements.
But here's the catch; for a watch that only tells the time (seconds, minutes, and hours) I can't justify why I'd need anything more reputable than a well regulated Miyota or Seagull movement. I know there are reasons, of course, but even the differences that exist between the different iterations of the ETA movements that power just about everything don't seem to me to be a big deal...the design is basically the same, and when do the details actually come to bear? Is it during servicing, when the wearer won't see anything anyway? Is it in terms of how the movement will fail?
My Seagull has held within +2 sec/day for over two weeks now...that doesn't mean it'll stay that way, of course, but it's as accurate as my Seamaster. As a bare movement, I can't find a reason never to buy one again.
With the flieger issue, it's the same problem. If they're using an ETA clone Seagull movement, and it's getting good reviews of reliability and accuracy from people who buy it, what possible argument is there to go for something like a Stowa, based on movement alone? (not on case finishing, of course....that's another issue and probably where a lot of the cost might come from).
Yes, the more I read about them, the higher their reputation rises in my mind, though they've unfairly had to climb the ladder because of a complete lack of advertisement where I live. "Swiss Made" really does mean a lot, doesn't it....
Well, at least you don't have to panic every time you hear the truck roll through the neighborhood...
Shit I mean Citizen
mfw
But doesn't PayPal literally exist to stop that happening?
Not really
the difference between a Stowa flieger, especially the nicer ones, and an archimede or other sub $400 flieger style watch is much more than just movement, EVERYTHING is finished nicer and just has that german "thing" like a great Sinn. and it's close to the IWC mark series, (i had the 15 for a few years) but the IWC are a step above the Stowa by a large leap as well.
Of course, as I mentioned the finishing is not in dispute in my mind. The movement however is, in terms of precisely what advantages of the more expensive ETA variant warrants the increase in cost.
The question that I'm trying to solve here is whether or not the movements alone can do the work they're supposed to do relatively equally, even though their reputations and origin of manufacture are completely different, in addition to the obvious internal differences of the movement itself.
The ability of my Seagull to compete second to second with my Omega may simply be a fluke, and I am definitely open to that happy possibility. But what if the ST-25 movement, which apparently Seagull refers to as a 'premium' movement and is used in the watch I'm looking at, can compare favorably as well to the normal ETA 2892 variants that are normally found in Flieger watches?
This is the problem I'm having. Or, to put it another way, would it make any difference at all if I had a Tisell case and swapped out the ST25 with an ETA 2892? Would I notice a difference in daily wear, in accuracy, etc....or would it simply and horrifyingly be....the same?
I would be very interested (sincerely) if you put in the effort to truly test your seagull and Omega side by side. It's a pain, but just going through the first ten days of cosc testing (the part done at room temperature) might give some very hard evidence on just how well an st19 can be adjusted, which I would consider very valuable data. Are you up for it?
I would if I could, but I don't have a watch timer machine. When I took the Seagull to my guy to adjust the chronograph, he put it on his machine, put it to a few positions, and explained, 'holy shit'. Given that, and my daily wear so far, that's pretty much all I've got (but no hard data).
The Seamaster is recently back from service, and has only been worn for 5 days straight. So, they'd be good to test now...but I need a machine to do so. Unless anyone else has any ideas...
Sorry, should have read 'exclaimed 'holy shit''.
Is there a program I can download to my computer? But then how would it detect the beats of the watch? That's the only way I can think of doing it...
You don't need a timing machine. For this test I wind the watch, place it in one position or other, and let it run for about 24 hours, and then check the deviation, wind the watch back up, and put it in the next position. I use an Android app called WatchCheck to keep track of the deviations, but you could do it all in Excel or with pen and paper.
Does everyone in here have one of these?
I could definitely do this, however the deviations would be approximations within a second: how did you get deviations to the tenth of a second accuracy, or to put it another way, how did you measure the deviation if not by eyesight?
WatchCheck has you hit a button when the second hand hits the 12 o'clock marker, and measures the deviation to the tenth of the second. I don't consider these numbers better than about +/-0.5s.
>8.75 wrist
That 48mm looks like a 38mm on me, 8.75in wrists and you don’t look obese
Are you 7 feet tall?!
What are some examples of real value I can get for $600?
Basically I want the Full Metal G-Shock GMW-B 5000 D-1 collector's item for $600 but I want to convince myself not to as well
Yes
Yes
There is no lcd watch that is “worth” $600 on technical merits, only as a novelty
Shut the fuck up you boring cunt.
Should I get one, too
Yes
Seiko cocktail time with the power gauge are around 600
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Joining the USMC soon and I've learned it's wise to wear a watch for the 3 months I'll be at boot camp. Any durable lightweight watches you guys would recommend?
>implying
Literally g-shock.
Is that solid gold?
It's the only high accuracy quartz lcd ever made.
Solar g shock that you like the look of.
Every quartz is a high accuracy quartz
$35,000 watch by former iPod designer.
>The Type 2 is still a fully mechanical watch, but it includes an electronic element called "e-Crown" which is, in essence, a digital watch.
>"If you take it off and leave it for more than 36 hours, the power will run out and the watch will stop running, but the electronics will not stop. The moment you pick it back up, an accelerometer inside will know you are handling it and the watch will set itself to the correct time automatically. It looks really magical," said Mintiens.
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Not even close to true.
No, HAQ has an actual definition that sets it aside from a regular quartz movement.
What does the hand mean
And no it’s not digital, it’s analog run by computer
Just quoting directly from the article.
The hand is the Ressence logo