Why is KDE such garbage?

You dudes shilled KDE every single fucking day for the past month and I bought into the hype. While it looks great, it's full of show stopper bugs : the shell keeps crashing, freezing, suspend doesn't werk properly and random graphical glitches. Now I'm forced to go back to gnome which looks ugly as fuck, but is at least rock solid and literally never crashed on me. Don't fall for the kde meme like I did.

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just use a tiling wm, dude. there's really no need for a de.

I can only imagine the incompetence you need to have kde in 2018 crash frequently

THIS. Arch + i3wm is all you need.

What does KDE have to do with suspend?
Literally all it does is tell your computer to run "sudo systemctl suspend" or whatever the default command is on your system.

Obviously the problem is with the underlying operating system.

>forced to go back to gnome
You're not forced. There is another desktop. XFCE4 is perfect. But hey, if GNOME works for you then that's great.

It doesn't really need to crash frequently. If some KDE program crashes then that's not so bad but if the shell crashes - just once - then that's enough for me to write it off as useless.

I seriously do not understand all the crash issues people complain about... I switched to loonix from wangblows last year and I've hopped around Unbuntu to Mint to Ubuntu Mate to Debian to Fedora to Manjaro to Solus, which I have been using for 6 months now, and all in all for as long as I remember, my windows crashes, which occurred once in a bluemoon were due to overheating when playing games and Linux crashes have just not happened except for overheating and ram failure.

I would say Debian stable + i3... it never breaks and less hassle

Windows does not have this problem.

Most likely an issue with kde. The exact same os with gnome works perfectly fine. Tried ubuntu and fedora.

Stop playing closed-source games and stop distro hooping

The only game I literally ever play is Dota, and I hate it, and other than that I watch videos and sometimes program (student) and use Kstars, that's my usual use usage and it just works fine, and I've stopped hopping as implied already...

Honest question : is there anyone here who uses kde and has experienced gnome level stability? If so, how the fuck did you do it? Which OS?

>stop distro hooping
Nothing wrong with distro hopping or desktop hopping as long as you don't do it constantly and continuously. It's free so trying a few alternatives to see what you prefer just wastes a bit of time.

I fell for the kde meme already, so it's going to be a while before I fall for the tiling vm meme, but for a noob like me : what's a tiling vm and how is it better? What are the pros and cons?

Try Slackware + Xfce, it will never crash on you guaranteed

The guy can't read. I literally said when I got into Linux, I quite naturally, distro hopped and then happened to settle on Solus (not arguing it's the best or anything, it works for me and it the most intuitive for now to me)...
Somehow he read that as I distro hop frequently whereas I literally implied the opposite.

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I don't think KDE handles the suspend aspect here

I'm incompetent as hell but I still have Arch and KDE up and running as a Driver

That's gay, user.

Just did a fresh Arch + KDE install on a laptop for my dad and even on Wayland, it's rock solid. Using LTS kernel btw.

Time to fall for the arch meme

/vpol/ shills don't understand good software.
It's bloated and buggy as fuck.
Worse than Gnome3

Use a WM.

>t.footfag

Works on my gentoo

What is gnome level of stability? Freezing only once a week? I've been on KDE Neon since the last summer and the only thing that has ever crashed on me was akregator but that's trash and not even installed by default.

The most stable DE I've used is Xfce by a long margin.

>Now I'm forced to go back to gnome
Yeah, I knew it. Only a smelly foot could make this thread. Go back and never come again.

This is what I use. Works very well.

I may switch to testing, I hear that's pretty stable too.

Tried Kubuntu LTS, Debian with KDE and Manjaro with KDE. I like KDE, but I get error messages all the time about KDE services or background shit and sometimes Kwin will crash. I love KDE, but I really wish it were more stable.

It's not slow anymore or bloated, so that's good, but it needs stability now.

nvmnd solved it

What DE are you using?
Budgie is pretty good.

Hate to say this, but Kevin was right after all. I"m using Solus on my daily/college X201i and it's awesome.

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KDE on Gentoo here, *-9999, DRI3 disabled, just werks

My setup is Arch with an Intel GPU and X.org(haven't tried Wayland yet). Never experienced a crash.

We don't actually use any of the programs we shill. We're all poseurs.

>Now I'm forced to go back to gnome which looks ugly as fuck
Eww lad

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>He fell for the KDE shillin
Nice you are waking up OP

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GNOME looks good to me

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use it with Arch,
I've had plasma as my main driver for like a year now and it's never crashed on me

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Looks like this GNOMElet couldn't stand having a desktop with actual features

Something's wrong with your driver, the resolution of your screen is really tiny.

>with actual features
What an elegant way to spell "useless bloat"

Nah, I'm just an ant

>GN*ME is significantly heavier than KDE or any other DE despite having the least features of them all
But sure, keep arguing about bloat, foot fetishist.

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> despite having the least features of them all
GNOME has
>It has Evolution for mailing
>It has Contact management
>You cant add GMail account as default email service
>It has night view integrated
>It has weather app
>It has an alarm app
>it has recipies app
>samba in Nautilus actually works
>it has file indexing with tracker that actually works
>It comes with Boxes, its own virtual machine emulator
>You can mold it to your needs with extensions
>Many more features not listed here
>All this w/o crasing
KDE
>KDE developers are to afraid to include Baloo in Neon cause it crashes and consumes 100% CPU
>KDE developers are to afraid to include Akanodi in Neon because they know it crashes and consumes ti much CPU and ram
>They are to afraid to Include KMail cause the know it sucks ass
>They are even afraid to include a fucking calculator
>The cucked DE still needs 400mb of ram and takes forever to start
>Still crashed way more despite the lack of features.
Never seen a shill so wrong

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does GNOME have screensavers?

>Complains about KDE bloat witohut evidences.
>Makes a list about Gnome bloat and defends it
Your brain has bugs.

>does GNOME have screensavers?
Is this 1995?

Oh, you are confusing actually useful stuff with useless krap, becuase GNOME is a DE, see? a DE needs some basic applications, like a fucking calculator at least.
KDE has bloat included as default in the tons of usesless options that only get in the way and mosth of them will never be uses.
GNOME doesn't include bloat, only if you want to add them with extensions.

>options are useless
>defends unmantained third party extensions because vanilla Gnome is retarded.

you are using the correct DE

>defends unmantained third party extensions because vanilla Gnome is retarde
Waay better then include usess bloat getting in the way and never will be used, you know, cause it is sooo helpful to slow down anymations to 1 frame per second, and even roate your fucking clock plasmoid, and more useless crap they include and bloat the experiense, oh, but do not include something basic as a calculator, it is bloat, what a stupid logic.

>do not include something basic as a calculator
it's called kclac and you can install it.
>cause it is sooo helpful to slow down anymations to 1 frame per second
no idea what are you talking about
>bloat the experiense
bloat bloat bloat bloat bloat bloat bloat

>it's called kclac and you can install it.
And KDE developers do not include it in their own fucking distro like Neon, disgusting
>no idea what are you talking about
KDE has an option to slowdown animations ro 1 frame per second, why? who fucking cares?
>bloat bloat bloat bloat bloat bloat bloat
preach it bro

test post

Xfce is where it's at Senpai. KDE isn't bad however.

Tiling managers cause autism.

>Gnome

Either folds proteins or mines crypto in the background. There is no reason why my laptop should idle at 800mb ram and 20% CPU.

>There is no reason why my laptop should idle at 800mb ram and 20% CPU.
Worry not, they will make GNOME even greater soon.

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>I don't personally use a feature
>therefore nobody needs it
>t. GNOME dev

Gnome is a piece of shit. KDE is o mih more capable. I am always wondering what kind of morons prefer gnome

>Wants to use a deprecated future than only waste electricity instead and nobody uses anymore
>He wants that kind of deprecated bloat in his desktop and Krap DE is happy to comply
t.KDE shill

>I am always wondering what kind of morons prefer gnome
The productive kind, not those NETS who only care about anime and play mame roms.

>falling for the tiling wm meme instead

Opensuse tumbleweed here, almost fucking never experienced crashes, and actually NVIDIA is the one that give me problems, but doesn't matter the DE in that case

>Xfce is where it's at
>Xfce last release: 28 February 2015
brainlet_shill.tifff

True, Tumbleweed almost never crashes, when it works at all.

>gnome dev once again single handedly decides whether a certain feature is worth it or not

KDE is like the perfect desktop OS, no joing.
Sadly, KDE has never been rock-solid. Always some sort of bugs or breaks which gives a lot of headache over longer period of time. I find it very sad. I would say probably Debian KDE is the closest you come to a reliable KDE desktop environment. But Gnome and W10 is much more bug-free.

install xfce

Yep. I decided to give it a try since I heard everybody rant and rave about how the most recent update added a lot of polish and fixed a lot of bugs, and I really like a lot of things about KDE -in concept-.

Go to turn my system off, get an error message saying something has crashed instead. All of the buttons to power off/reboot/logout cease functioning at that point. 10/10

And then there was just a bunch of other bullshit, too, from bugs to profound lack of polish. The KDE developers seriously fucking need to stop wasting their time and resources with all of the bullshit fluff (aka bloat) they love so much, and focus heavily on making the core system a polished, stable experience.

Every time I use it, there's always some inexcusable problem, like when I tried it a few months back, and the logout service was so broken that half the time you'd have to switch to another tty and input the command the error message gave you to unlock your session. Another thing--it's a minor gripe, but all of the system interfaces are a total fucking overengineered mess, as expected of Germans. But at least you've got a billion worthless widgets and desktop effects to enable!

Again, I think it would do KDE a LOT of good to scale back the project and simplify things. It has so much potential to be a solid, modern desktop environment. Now that Unity is dead, the only other competitor is GNOME, and it's a piece of garbage for whatever reason.

Windows 7 master race.

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>And focus heavily on making the core system a polished
Don't you think they have tried? They are just to incompetent to implement them right, and the very low level stuff that works in KDE was actually created by GNOME developers, they just leech the DE abstracted libraries.

Works on my machines.

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This, Gnomelets will never know the joy of having a file-picker and ten enormous clocks on their home screen.

WindowMaker WM + GNUStep Toolkit apps is the ultimate setup.

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i have no idea what kde is or does, sorry

last time I tried Gnome it was randomly crashing, closing my session and loosing my works.
No problem with KDE tho

I can use kmail and baloo both on Kubuntu and KDE Neon

Show a screenshot of the processes window

why ? you want to show me that more running program=more ram ? no shit sherlock
my point is that you can send mail and search for file on kde, there is no need to start these service at startup like gnome do

I'm looking for a kde shill who made new blur.
Hopefully he's lurking there. If not I'll post on next kde shill thread.
I'd like to have blur on all windows without fucking up contents, is it possible on X?
Pic related, experiments.

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Those services are not lazy loaded, they are there since the system boot up, and if they are not is because they are not even installed, so, fuck off shill

It works perfectly for me on Debian stable and sid.

I want to like gnome or cinnamon but mutter/clutter is such a piece of shit that my experience is ruined every time.

Anything not Debian-based and without a Novideo card worked perfectly out of the box for me and some friends of mine.

>Why is KDE such garbage?
The developers went into ted weed. And started huffing.

Reminder NEVER to use Kmail. You are not going to believe the enormity of this disaster.

>It doesn't really need to crash frequently. If some KDE program crashes then that's not so bad but if the shell crashes - just once - then that's enough for me to write it off as useless.
What are you doing when it happens?
Actually curious - I've been running Neon for a long time now and nothing ever breaks or bugs out.

>app

Try to experiment with downloaded plasmioids. Almost certainly plasmashell will shit itself.

>going back to gnome
nice b8
xfce, lxqt, or kys
now, kde isn't bad, especially if you use the right distro (gentoo, arch)
however, it just isn't good enough to persuade me to keep using it

>Shill doesn't know is the 21th century

Several days ago I was running into audio problems on Windows 7, so i figured I'd switch back to linux. The only real problem I've been having is screen stuttering which was solved by turning off the compositor. KDE is the only competent DE I'm aware of. Gnome is a clusterfuck, Cinnamon is second rate, LXQT has way too few features and looks ugly as sin, and there is literally no real point for XFCE to exist anymore. Name one thing those things can do that KDE can't. It's bloated for a reason.

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xfce is a good sweet spot. comparatively light, fast and stable as a work horse. what's not to like about it?

I just don't really see the point of a middle ground, when KDE runs fine on a lot of lower tier machines, and LXDE/QT runs best on whart wont run KDE very well. I miss the old days when XFCE was one of the best things to run on old 90's PC's.

arch + weston

it may depend on the distro you tried it on
something like arch and neon should be best

That Windows 10 sure looks good

>wonky font
>absolutely useless top bar
>no desktop icons
try again

does win10 have it?

>using waymeme

just use icewm

waiting for the sweet sweet blur huh?