Earlier today (March 10th, 2018)...

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>Earlier today (March 10th, 2018), Microsoft delivered the headlining keynote of the Southern California Linux Expo -- one of the largest Linux and Free Software conferences in the world. I repeat: Microsoft. Headlined. A Linux Festival. It was confusing to many. And Microsoft did not disappoint... they managed to say some distinctly anti-Open Source things in their 1 hour on stage.

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>Enable, Integrate, Release, Contribute
Is it just me or does that sound awfully similar to "Embrace, Extend and Extinguish"?

We got a winner!
EMBRACE
EXTEND
EXTINGUISH

Why didn't microsoft do this to fuck over linux years ago?

I work for Microsoft.

We legit don't GAF about linux as competition. That's not the discussion we're in. We're in a cloud compete situation. We don't care what OS version you use as long as it's in Azure.

No, Satya and us aren't out to kill muh linux. We just want to bury AWS and GCP. That's it.

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Sucks you even have to respond. It's clear Microsoft just wants linux to work better in Azure. Last time I was at TechEd they were spruiking how many linux VM's were on Azure.

This issue in general is great as a retard filter. All code developed for linux is GPL licensed anyway, so it's impossible for Microsoft to "extinguish" linux.

If at any point Microsoft did something dickish everyone can just go "thanks for the code loser" and fork what they're doing.

M$ loves linux because they can use it for free and modify it internally without releasing the modifications (e.g. for azure et al.).
They also love open-source because they can do the same: take the tech for free and use and modify it without releasing or paying anything. Much better than what they were doing before, which was to pay for closed-source garbageware x10 to find the one that's not as shit to use as the others.

>If at any point Microsoft did something dickish everyone can just go "thanks for the code loser" and fork what they're doing.
>what is systemd

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There have been forks, like Devuan. The fact they haven't succeed goes to show only memeing retards care about systemd.

>have been forks
>ignoring what is extend and extinguish
>implying Devuan haven't succeed

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Pretty much.

I don't know if it's pure ignorance or I'm just hyper-aware because I work here, but Microsoft is not some monolithic evil monster out to kill your Linux.

Hell, we have the largest RH engineering team in the world, bigger even than what RH has themselves.

I work with engineers that are legitimately proud they get to develop in Linux, work for Microsoft, and post all their source code to github. It's actually pretty cool.

The days of Ballmer and his Larry Elison-esque way of competing are gone.

Like we have a 1000+ headcount just to make sure we don't violate customer privacy or regulations. And that's not lawyers, these are people that literally stop us from releasing products because it might break a law or hurts someone's privacy fee-fees.

Pic saved. When is the community going to do something with this obvious takeover in the making? is soooo frightening thinking about the ramifications of all the actions Microsoft have done in the past months on the Linux arena.

FUCKING MICROSOFT
STAY AWAY FROM MUH LINUX REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

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Meanwhile the datascience team keeps all data unscrubbed forever (as opposed to the maximum 50 days policy in special-privilege storage) because all the scrubbing solutions are dogshit and it's """too expensive""" to use the inhouse amt people.

Is their a question/complaint here or are you just positing the issue we all know to be an issue: "How do we store large data sets used in data science for the creation of models?"

In scientific terms, 50 days or 60 days or 90 days is arbitrary.

The problem is that micro$hit does not at all adheres to regulations with regard to data privacy. All PII is kept forever against m$'s own policy, let alone the law. Moreover, it's kept accessible to anyone with MBI access and without further real approval even though policy says it should not only require HBI access but also special approval.
The only thing m$ cares about is being sued, period. But you knew all that, pajeet.

Bruh, first of all, I'm not some v-dash pajeet.

2nd, what are you even talking about. Do you know how hard it is to get access to shit here? I have to worm through 9 different managers and teams to get access to fucking anything.

Also, what? We have GDPR up our asses in pretty much everything.

What PII are you even talking about? Sorry, I can't control what some retarded customer stores in their Azure blobs. Not my problem mate.

I know first-hand pajeet. Go shit in your dedicated street instead of this thread.

Microsoft-collected PII from customer support information, including skype and project toronto/cci logs, which includes information like names, addresses, email addresses, phone numbers, valid credit card numbers, and more.

E M B R A C E X T E N D E X T I N G U I S H

Lol, nigga what?

Define collected?

Tell me you don't seriously think we have some coherent central database of everyone who's ever interacted with a Microsoft product. You can't be that naive.

We don't even know who our customers are, mate. Our information is so nebulous and impossible to find, it might as well not exist. Anyone who matters will get promoted to a different position before they pursue that access enough for it to have a tangible effect on anything.

My sides. Either you're a v-team pajeet or you're just larping, confirmed.

What team were you on? Because if you had that kind of access, I'd love to get in on the joke.

Say something only a MSFT internal would understand.

Microsoft desperately wants in on infrastructure / software as a service.

And continually bribing / discounting entities to use crappy Azure over Amazon S3 and the largely compatible open sauce conglomerates around OpenStack, Ceph and so on that interact well with the Java Big Data tooling isn't a business model.

So they probably figured they want in on some of that open sauce trustworthiness, but they SEEM to think they can do it without giving the competition too much actually useful open sauce.

I don't think it will work.

Desperately? We're beating every other competitor in public cloud, including Amazon.

Our SaaS services are also growing exponentially, continuing to beat Google and the like.

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And now they're muscling in on google translates turf for the least sensible gibberishlations.
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What? Like the cairo team was in charge of the cci interface software? Or GCD doesn't have shit for information? Or GCR machines are always booked and very few have GPUs worth anything?
Or how much of a buggy piece of shit teams is? Even worse being the file sync in it?
Actually I can do better than all that: I can quote a post that was on yammer some time back with regard to damore as I recall. I doubt the post was removed so you might be able to find it, if the search is actually possible nowadays. Starts with:
>"We had three acts that have created a lot of fear in the tech industry in the past week, and that will be the fourth"
Initials of poster are D.J. (ANALOG). First reply is by C.D. 365 and starts with
>"Microsoft is not leading in restoring trust in a diverse and inclusive culture

> We're beating every other competitor in public cloud
Nah. And that's despite sympathies by old fart Windows admins, heavy pushes to make this easier with MS centric tooling and discounts.

> Our SaaS services are also growing exponentially
You basically convinced some people to use Office 365 and some more.

There are a lot of obstacles in migrating away from the MS stack again and not too many advantages; the whole offer is poor bait.

I do not think and indeed don't hope you'll win the regions outside the USA.

Okay, you're legit.

Preach on Teams though, mate. Agree with you there. Holy shit what hot garbage.

Maybe it's because we're in different orgs, but my team/org does not have the kind of total PPI access you're talking about. And where we have some level of PPI info, we obtained it rightfully through T&Cs.

Yeah you literally can't do that. The GPL guarantees you'll get the modified code back. You're thinking of BSD.

>Like we have a 1000+ headcount just to make sure we don't violate customer privacy

The moment I knew you were fake

GPL != AGPL.

>>Nah. And that's despite sympathies by old fart Windows admins, heavy pushes to make this easier with MS centric tooling and discounts.

Did you see Q2 numbers? We just beat Amazon on run rate.

Cloud is the future, the sooner the old fart win admins get on the train, the better. They're cobbled datacenters with barely-functioning HA/DR is not going to stand the test of time. Also nice that cap expenses can't be deducted anymore, in the US.

>>You basically convinced some people to use Office 365 and some more.

What? Nah man. Anyone not in education with >50 employees is moving to O365. You simply get a better suite of products.

I know it probably sounds like I drank the kool-aid, and I know I sound like a shill, but our business strategy is rock solid right now.

Internal usage and tivoization is allowed under the GPLv2.

You need the GPLv3 to avoid being locked out from hardware and AGPLv3 to demand code in software as a service situations. Both of which aren't on the linux kernel and other software.

>> What is CELA

Embrace Extend Extinguish.

How are people so retarded?
Durrr obviously history can't possible repeat itself! It's 2018!

Fucking retards.

>SaaS
>Good for anyone except the vendor
O I am laffin

Chinese Bing users need to be able to read English-language porn sites, too.

Literally lawyers. In fact you just need to mark your email as such to get confidentiality privilege as provided by law if you need to talk to them about legal matters. This is law, not policy.

>> Gee wiz. Would I rather capex 100k and not get any of it back in taxes

or

>> Opex my service while simultaneously reducing the fucking headaches I have to deal with on a daily basis.

doesn't stop the ability to influence it in some way.

> We just beat Amazon on run rate.
Extrapolations show that I accumulated 1000% more data from yesterday to today over the day before. Send your marketing teams to me, I might net you trillions soon and then googolplex dollars eventually.

> Cloud is the future, the sooner the old fart win admins get on the train, the better
I don't disagree from a technical standpoint, but the incompatible hard to migrate away from * as a service platforms are just a recipe for horribly overpriced shitty service.

> but our business strategy is rock solid right now
Wouldn't be surprised if it works in the North America?

I think Eurasia, South America, Africa will have different views if the MS platforms remain so hard to replace / switch out.

But of course Microsoft will try regardless, there's money to be had from suckers - as Adobe and other faggots already showed.

The "business strategy" is "offer products at 80% off for a year and hope they sign up next year because we're bleeding money on that shit". The only solid part is the fact that the entire ecosystem is designed so that even though everything is dogshit, it further doesn't work at all in a modular way, so you either commit to the entire thing or you get crippled software (it's already shit as is when you do use the full suite, too). After the nearly free service period is over, the company has "spent too much time" training its people in the m$ ways to back off, or so m$ tell them.

>putting quality control in YOUR hands

This

Microsoft is a corporation, it exists to make money, not to let pajeets upload their shit code to github so they can feel good about themselves. They've already proven without a doubt they don't give a fuck about users with Windows 10.

Whatever comes out of Microsoft meddling in Linux can only be bad, and driven by some ulterior motive to increase their shekels, not to help the free software community

>the lunduke show
more like the Luddite show

Former IBMer here, did you know IBM beat AWS and Azure in terms of cloud offerings two years ago? They're the biggest player by far.
Spoilers: It's all twisting words to raise morale better. Yes I'm incredibly cynical and bitter.

>Microsoft is a corporation, it exists to make money,
Yup, but there is making money by offering a good deal with no special strings attached. Supermarket shopping, restaurant, a month of service on some Linux virtual server with full access to migrate into / away from, also almost all of RedHat's software stacks and such.

And there's making money by creating serious dependencies on the deal continuing. Drug dealers, Adobe or Microsoft software and services, Machines with proprietary patented consumables or constantly failing parts.

The latter is the problem IMO. More simple competition with no strings attached would be good, but MS isn't into that unlucrative shit.

Is MSFT in on the patent game like FB? Where they open source some shit but secretly have some sneaky patent bullshit like graphql and react?

OSS is cancer, FOSS is were it is at

>managed to say some distinctly anti-Open Source things in their 1 hour on stage.
What?

>We legit don't GAF about linux as competition
>ignoring Halloween docs and quotes from your precious Billy

AWS is the market leader you fucking trash.