Is it actually silly to wait™ ?

Is it actually silly to wait™ ?
There are so many things that make postponing building a new PC until next year seem like a good idea to me.

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It's RETARDED to wait, as it's ALL fucking backwards AND forward compatible. LITERALLY got RIGHT FUCKING NOW and buy ANY Zen with a X470 or B450 motherboard, and just update BIOS+install Zen 2/Zen 2+ on it later! What's so fucking hard to understand? You DON'T need to wait jack! And if you do - you're a fucking stupid moron!

When you need an upgrade, upgrade. While you don't need one, wait.
There's a lot of room between these extremes, but they're a good starting point.

It's retarded to upgrade, unless your current computer's not fast enough.

I think I'm just going to wait.

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No, I definitely need an upgrade. What's retarded are these prices, my salary and how much shit changes from a year to the next.

>my salary
OK, maybe buy AMD stock instead of upgrading now.

I wanted to, back when it was under $2. I didn't have the money :(

I managed to put 10k€, which was all the money I had, back when $4.
I'm happy I did. But I'm over 100k these days; amd's just one part of that.

Memory and GPU are at an all time high. Worst time to upgrade in years.

No it's not fucking compatible
> have board
> new CPU comes out
> you need BIOS upgrade
> you can't upgrade BIOS without a CPU unless it's ASUS who are the single vendor to get this right (upgrade from USB stick before POST)

it's a freaking mess. My Gigabyte board died so I bought a board while I waited for a replacement because I needed to be back up immediately. I kind of want to buy one of them new APUs and use it but fuck that shit. I'd have to open my existing system, take off the cooler, remove the CPU, put it on the other board and upgrade the BIOS to use it for a new CPU or APU. In my case I could do this because I have a CPU but if you blindly order a motherboard and a APU online then you'll be screwed.

Also, X470 and B350 motherboards aren't even out yet.

Depends on what you have. I bought a Ryzen 7 1700 last year and I will probably upgrade it to a Zen2 or Zen2+, without changing the mobo or getting new RAM.

If you're upgrading then you obviously have a CPU for updating the BIOS, tard.

Yeah well I have around half of what you started with and I'd like to invest it as well. It's just that I'm very indecisive and no longer believe in anything enough to invest in right now. I've been waiting for a new opportunity.

You can get a loaner APU from AMD to do a bios flash, it's those A10 models from last year. They send you a spare cpu with heatsink, you flash your bios, then mail the cpu back but not the heatsink apparently.

It depends on your budget. If money is no object then you might as well just buy one now. But if care about what value you get for your money then waiting one or two years seem like a great idea. GPU and memory prices are beyond stupid right now. 16 GB will cost you more than I paid for 32 GB. GPUs are going for 50-100% above MSRP at retailers. That's just crazy, twice the recommended retail price for a low/mid-range GPU based on years old architectures?

I already told you, I've got a board and no spare CPU just lying round. Most people don't have a bunch of spare CPUs.

That's a pretty darn expensive option here in the fascist union. It's probably fine in the US but this doesn't work in the EU. Might as well just buy the A10 instead of paying for that return shipping.

>if you blindly order a motherboard and a APU online then you'll be screwed.
Normally you would be, but in this case AMD will lend you an older APU so you can make it work.
pcworld.com/article/3256290/computers/confirmed-amd-will-loan-chips-to-help-with-motherboard-updates-for-ryzen-apus.html

>unless it's ASUS who are the single vendor to get this right
Not all of their boards supports this. And they're not the only brand that do this. Always check if the board that you want supports such features if such a feature is important to you, because manufacturers don't put all of the same features on all their boards.

The PENIS

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In the event of doubt, just buy index funds.
Such as PowerShares QQQ or vanguard s&p500.
Check past performance (eg: a few years) and understand there's no point in having money parked in the bank; it's wasted opportunity.

>it's not fucking compatible
Autism = the shitpost

>you can't upgrade BIOS without a CPU
This is: a) only on 3xx boards due to gen1 Zen being raw and unpolished as fuck (there are NO such problems on 4xx, it all was ironed the fuck out), b) AMD sends you a FREE upgrade kit (which includes cheap-ass Bristol Ridge) in case IF your board doesn't see CPU during boot, c) NOT every motherboard has this issue - it's NOT prevalent as on many boards you can go in BIOS right away, it's essentially a bug which CAN happen, but it's NOT 100% of the time prevalent.

>What's retarded are these prices

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You're actually fucking retarded

THE VAGINA

but amd definitely beats intel in this case rite?

I'm waiting (tm). I sold my 5820K yesterday. I don't really need more performance, but its a less buggier and future proof platform. Also I won't pay much for the upgrade.

I first thought it was a fake when they announced HEDT i3s. For what purpose?

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>B350 motherboards aren't even out yet.

wut

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well what's your current PC and what are you doing/planning to do with it, maybe THEN we can help you.

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nigga NOBODY was happy with FX chips.

t. used to own one

What a fucking idiot. Unless he weighed himself AFTER eating, it's 0.79%

He pretty obviously meant B450

>no soy un soyboy

oh wow I'm so sorry to think the thing he wrote was what he actually meant, how retarded am I

dame un besito

>People never make typos
Pretty retarded, honestly

why are you still replying to me? do you have a crush on me? I have a bf

Zen in already good enough for any productivity task and the new refreshed zen chips can do 4.3-4.4ghz which already puts them so close to intel that you have no reason to buy an i7 unless you are rocking a 144hz-240hz refresh rate monitor and need max fps for your faggot vidya.

For someone who wants to use the X299 platform, but doesn't need a lot of CPU power? Quite a niche market though.

Since they're going to keep their AM4 socket for this generation, why not upgrading now but buying one of the mid-end processor until the AM4 gets its last processor gen?

Cause the video card/memory prices are insane.

I'm already planning on getting AMD, despite wanting high framerate for stuff like CS GO. My issue isn't with their future proofing, it's that it would seem better to wait, prices for gpus and memory might stabilize, zen2 will not have hardware level exploits, and since I'm planning on also getting into VR, better/cheaper hmds might pop up.

dude, WHAT PC DO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW AND WHAT IS YOUR BUDGET.

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>No, I definitely need an upgrade. What's retarded are these prices, my salary and how much shit changes from a year to the next.
Maybe its just you that's retarded

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An ancient Core Duo E8500 + GTX 560Ti
Probably around $1500
WHY ARE WE YELLING?

it's ok to wait.
they're going through 14 and 12nm like so fast and they'll be stuck on 7 for some time.

didn't know anybody actually bought the 1500X

at least wait for zen+ in april

BECAUSE WE ALL HIT OUR CAPSLOCK
DAMN CAPSLOCK
THE SIMPLE EXISTENCE OF THIS KEY IS RAGING
I SHOUD HIT IT ONCE MORE TO YELL MY RAGE THROUGH BIGGER FONT
and now i'm yel...
Oh.

Damn...

Why upgrade every year or 2? I'm wondering seriously

cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core2-Duo-E8500-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1300X/m13vs3930

get a cheap mobo (B350), whatever storage and RAM you want, and for the time being get a Ryzen 3 1300x. They're dirt cheap and the performance increase will blow you away, even with your GPU bottlenecking the living shit out of it. Sit on that hardware until ryzen 2 happens, and get a new CPU if the 1300x is not enough for you. Also get a new mobo if necessary. I'd tell you to get a new GPU but prices are crazy right now.

It was the best I could get without bottlenecking my RX480. Was planning on a 1600x anyway but then they announced ryzen+ so I'm waiting to see what happens.

If I were to get something in between until then I'd probably go with one of the Ryzen+Vega APUs. But I'm probably just gonna stick it out another year.

no reason not to upgrade if you're getting a 30~50% performance increase and you can actually make whole use of it

The will always be something better in the pipes.

I'd say try to get current Gen Ryzen on a deal. Go for one of the x suffix processors.

I would also get an AMD GPU, simply because I can't deal with the amount of shit Nvidia is pulling. Also, the performance difference between AMD and Nvidia isn't nearly as big as some infographics allege.

you'd have to go for the 2400g if you want better graphics

is evil!

>The will always be something better in the pipes.

I've heard this a million times and at this point I think people here just throw it around out of habit instead of actually thinking it through.
If you built a computer planning to change it or do a major upgrade in 1-2 years then I'd understand. You get what you can now then what you can later. But there's some value (I feel) in "timing the market" when you build something that you want to last you longer than that.

>no reason not to upgrade if you're getting a 30~50% performance increase
That's rather antisemitic optimism you have there. You think ryzen architecture is that amazing?

The shit nvidia is pulling?
>timing
That's my plan for zen 2. Its undoubtedly gonna be better than zen+ and my rig is near 5 years old. Just getting a mid range R5 3600 would be a huge improvement and I'll be planning on keeping that CPU for another 5 years.

>That's my plan for zen 2. Its undoubtedly gonna be better than zen+ and my rig is near 5 years old. Just getting a mid range R5 3600 would be a huge improvement and I'll be planning on keeping that CPU for another 5 years.

This is what I mean. I was thinking the same back when I got my E8500. Now granted I should've replaced it sooner than almost 10 years now but for what it is, it still holds up reasonably well. One of my best investments ever.

Duh. That's what they're famous for after all.

Definitely a good investment. I think pay big once then hold on to it for as long as possible. This is why I find it hard to understand people upgrading every year or so for minimal improvements its retarded

I guess that's down to having the disposable income for it, but yeah, buying something that not only does a great job for the money but holds its value in time is like the gift that keeps on giving.

They beat them in all cases. It's about time you wake up.

Change that for Zen and modern Inturds, and you're good to go.

will my asus ROG run zen2

You'll easily get 300 FPS on fucking CS Go even with 1400 (not even 2400G), maxed. With RX 460 or lower.

>Zen 2 will not have hardware level exploits
>he actually believes in all of this BS FUD
K. Y. S.

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It doesn't matter what kind of L33T Ko0L HacxXzXcZ0r kid shit you have, as long as it's AM4 and at least B series (X is still preferred more).

cool it has the X370 I looked it up

If it's top tier Anus board, you don't even have to turn the goddamn thing on to change BIOS, as it's one of very few gen1 Zen (3xx series) boards that has BIOS Flash button on board and thus it can be updated from a flash dongle/thumb drive even with system turned off (it still need to be plugged in power socket and PSU must be switched on, though). This makes upgrading to Zen+/Zen 2/Zen 2+/Zen 3/Zen 3+ a LITERAL fucking breeze.

yea I have the latest bios

bios flashback is pro I updated it like 5 times so far when new ones come out

Where are you pulling those numbers from because from my research you won't get more than an average of 150-200. Greatly dependent on the map and number of players.

If you're referring to the recent fiasco then no. Spectre however is real and will only be addressed at a hardware level in Zen 2 CPUs. The Ryzen 2 lineup that's about to be launched will still have it, although I'm sure it'll eventually get patched in software if that's not already been done.
And don't be so quick to jump to conclusions tough guy.

It's not silly. Just wait for zen 2 and NAVI
You won't regret this, trust me!

I could not wait... and in my madness I embraced RGB cancer while simultaneously paying tribute to our Israeli overlords. 6 c-cores is e-enough right guys?

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>4x8GB ram kit

what the hell are you doing?

couldn't afford an extra $450 for 4x16GB but I wanted to fill all the slots

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Ah, I got it! You're pretending to be an idiot.
Next time, just be yourself to make it more believable.

you're aware that the performance difference between dual and quad channel is almost nothing right?

so this is what a retard looks like

>It's RETARDED to wait

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>difference between dual and quad channel is almost nothing right?
The board I bought is only dual channel anyway

Maybe I can learn a thing or two before my next build in 2024

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>250 USD mobo
>not even quad channel

please be bait

>MUH GHZ

I want to believe, but compatibility will be down to motherboard manufacturers updating bioses, and I just dont trust them fully,

I have a stock 1700, I am going to get a stock 3700 or 3700x as the 7nm process is targeting 5ghz as its sweet spot, as in the 3700 will be 5ghz at 95 watts, possibly less and low voltage too.

sure, its retarded to upgrade without a need, but there is also some merit in upgrading when the jump is so substantial like this is going to be.

there are edge cases where intels raw throughput will outclass amd's current 8 core, and because of its stupid fucking single core boosts, can beat amd in applications that don't take advantage of more than 1 or 2 cores.

thing is, so much of the platform gets disabled on any non 6 core cpu that its why the fuck even bother?

>get HEDT i3
>can't use quad channel RAM
>doesn't have higher RAM capacity than a normal i3
>doesn't have more pcie lanes than a normal i3
>200 MHz higher base clock
woah nice use of the x299 platform when you can't do anything you couldn't on the mainstream shit

If you are planning on waiting until you can buy a processor without hardware level exploits, you wont be buying a cpu ever again

You a fucking retard? 8700K is a dual channel cpu

you can't magically make CPUs quad channel

you're aware that filling all the slots isn't quad channel, right?

One of the Motley Fool tech correspondents actually bought one of these and used it as his daily machine. He actually tried to defend his choice extensively. He's now getting hyped over intel hexcore laptop processors and how Raven Ridge is useless trash that is totally btfo by them.

This is who buys these. Tech journos are the worst.

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Probably the B450. If I needed something fast I would just get the350.
I wish I had a BF...
Yes, improved latencies, more clockspeeds, maybe small IPC gain. 4.1 GHz would match my shitty 5820K. So its absolutely worth it.
Its expensive as fuck, these processors don't even have quadchannel or additional lanes. So you're buying the expensive motherboard for nothing.
Many who bought them did that when Zen released. In early 2017 there was 80 € difference between Quad and Hexa core, now its 30 € or less. The 1500X is the worst of all, costing almost the same as a 1600 if not the same currently here in my country