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Post albums that have actually broke new grounds.

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To clarify: no avant teen

Can is to Krautrock what the Beatles and Radiohead are to Rock. As in they stole everything from less popular artists of the time and get all the credit.

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Is this bait? Tago Mago is avant teen.

please clarify what avant teen is.

The fuck are you talking about? Newgrounds wasn't even around when this came out

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What did Can steal from other less popular artists?

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>he hasnt heard future days

you havent lived

lol perhaps in a certain sense ya. playing with multiple tempos was already done before the shaggs though. great album though.

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>playing with multiple tempos

you mean not being able to keep a beat

this is b8 right

Wrong album friendo.

R o y a l T r u x - Twin Infinitives

Everything by the Residents pre Mark of the Mole

Elevator music.

Not the other guy, but I can definitely say this for Tago Mago. The jams are obviously psychedelic jams from the previous decade. The motorik is stuff Klaus Dinger and TVU's drummer were already doing. The weird stuff on the second half is so obviously what Manfred Schoof was doing (Jaki was with Schoof before Can after all) in terms of the crazy percussive sounds, while the electronic stuff was already done by Faust to a greater extent a year before.

Imo Can didn't really come into their own style until Future Days, and while Tago Mago may seem far more unique today because an ENORMOUS amount of musicians are influenced by Future Days' sounds/atmosphere, Future Days is by far the more original and revolutionary and ground breaking album.

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Has Sup Forums become so contrarian that we shit on Can now?

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inb4 overrated shit

ok I'm not a huge fan of this album, but what ground did it actually break? I know it was really popular, but did it do anything new?

I actually think this album is decent, not amazing but pretty good. However why the heck are people spamming it. It does nothing new, there's no innovation or experimentation throughout the album.

Trout mask

underrated

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>"Real experimental"
>Whole thread is popular music
let's get this thread started.
Who are your favorite spectral composers?
I'll go with a big name and say Grisey.
Haas and Levinas are underrated.

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so now even experimental is just moocore
you all faggots need to listen to more music

neo Sup Forums pieces of vapid shit like you need to leave

the only real answers

Hipsters like u need to become an hero.

Fucking white ppl lmao. What's your favorite gun to take to school I mean shooting range

How can it break ground if it never existed?

>real experimental
>broke new grounds
I don't think you know what experimental means.

ok I'm not a huge fan of this album, but what ground did it actually break? I know it was really popular, but did it do anything new?

Joke's on you faggot, I'm not white at all.
Sounds like you are tho, I hope for your own sake you grow out of the pathetic tumblr apoplogist phase when you have to go out into the real world.
Good luck out there kid.

If you think can is 100% real experimental you're wrong. I love Tago Mago, and Future Days is probably within my top 10 albums, but real experimental that breaks new ground is rarely as digestible as something like Tago Mago.

Albums like Tago Mago are culminations of other experimental ideas put into a record that is easier to listen to, real experimental ranges from absolute trash to weird shit that you wouldn't normally listen to.

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I think this goes without saying

Why has no one posted the supreme krautrock record

I agree with this, but there is nothing wrong with that. Being able to come up with groundbreaking ideas is one thing, making listenable music with them is another and I think both deserve their own recognition.

>literally poor man's Mothers of Invention
Hell no nigga Freak Out! was actually innovative and ahead of its time.

lol kill urself my man

haha will do

Any color you like was pretty fuckin good m8. Other than that I guess it was production

>literally poor man's Mothers of Invention
Sgt. Pepper's sounds nothing like it though.

I m b e c i l e J u n k i e s

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Because It's thrilling and artsy

Experimentation after John Cage is a meme

youtube.com/watch?v=EonKMJh2yTc

clearly not

salmon headpiece copy

Not really. Experimental is something that has been influential and invented new genres/sounds. If you do random sounds like most avant teen stuff you are just making pretentious garbage.

industrial was invented a decade before

that is nowhere near industrial

What the hell is the point of this comment? No they weren't literally the first humans in history to make noise at different tempos.. nobody thinks they were

>popular music can't be experimental

that's not what experimental means you faggot

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It was inspired by it though.

Literally undeniable. Go on, make some generalized comment about harsh rap and look like an ass.

and we're in the for the money was inspired by sgt peppers in an ironic way

your point?

Calm down white boi, we takin yo wimmin...

i know of ferraro's bodyguard project, i don't really think it's 'proof' that yung lean was not groundbreaking. i don't buy it, although i know that he (or someone in his crew) was aware of ferraro at an early stage

definitely aotysf, but considering foodman's earlier output, i wouldn't say it's totally revolutionizing. does anyone know of other artists that might have inspired foodman or makes music in a similar style, with similar ideas? maybe other japanese footwork (i did google this, so don't just send me some generic jap juke)

There are people in this board who think "experimental" is anything a 3 years old could do with a music instrument.
RYM ruined an entire generation.

That's ground breaking contrariety

yes
influential but new ground???
oh yes.
hell yes
nope not really
fucking love it but did probably not break as much ground as bitches brew
i guess productionwise
oh fuck yeah.
yes.
fine
freak out >> SP but we're only in it for the money is probs a more interesting comparison as it was made for that purpose

Freak Out! by the Mothers of Invention has also been cited as having influenced Sgt. Pepper .. during the Sgt. Pepper recording sessions McCartney repeatedly stated: "This is our Freak Out!"

i never got the huge deal about this album

it just sounds like bad psych rock

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It's a generic insult to throw at music that is too hard for the average Sup Forums drone to understand.

You first op, don't post avant-teen trash like Can and expect serious replies.

This count?

Then it's not a "poor man's" anything.
>"This is our Freak Out!"
Then it should be easy for you to list the similarities

Has this board actually become so contrarian they're shitting on Can now?

All avant-teen garbage, this thread is filled with poseurs.

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Can is and has always been garbage for poseurs who can't get into real art music. "Dude it's so wacky and experimental, lmao!"

>le classical elitist faggot face xD

No album made before 2011 sounds like it

>SP but we're only in it for the money is probs a more interesting comparison as it was made for that purpose
Oh where in the music do they mention The Beatles?

>21 pilots
>avant-teen
>garbage

You take that back faggot

That's ELP and Magma

are you serious

true, it's an easy choice, but yet a very good one.

agreed.
reminds me of mavis beacon
I Get you. Ferraro's influence is more seen on early gravity boys stuff. I don't really think lean is groundbreaking but its definitely good. ( that album at least)

I really don't know what is going on haha, but i guess it's just a meme.

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compared to Zeuhl or some shit Can is just a really good funk band. they aren't even remotely pretentious compared to their peers.

yeah that's what i was thinking. nah lean might not be groundbreaking, but then again, i think they really conceived some very original and enjoyable takes on early 2000's culture, appropriation, etc.

i mean it's derivative, but in an innovative way. anyways, gtb is way more interesting than sadboys imo

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it's just Eric Clapton blues rock with velvet underground rhythm

Can listened to The Beatles and funk bands, not Eric Claptan.

you're right about TVU though.