Music isn't an artform

Most art historians agree that videogames aren't art. Well, if a medium that contains music isn't artistic, how could music by itself be artistic?

if movies are an artform that uses a camera then why is porn not art. then why aren't snuff films an

>movies are an artform
Who told you this? lol

Even if the video games themselves aren't art, each and every individual asset within a game is art.

For example, the character model is art. The music in the games is art. The writing in the games is art.

It might not be high art, but those are all recognized artistic mediums. I can't see a single valid argument for these assets individually not being art aside from "it's not good enough for me" which is a whiny non-argument.

>Why aren't video games art
When you grow up a little more you'll realize how trivial this entire argument is.
Now

The entire discussion about what is or isn't art is completely pointless and i'm pretty sure 95% of the people still partaking in it are just shitposting. What does it matter to you anyway? Are you afraid of admitting to liking videogames unless they're branded as "art" for whatever reason? Like where's the appeal?

that's called the "fallacy of division", silly user

Are supermarkets art because they have background music, product names writen and and a logo?

Supermarkets => Buildings => Architecture => ART
Alternatively
Supermarkets => Products => Advertising => Visual Design => ART

OP is right. Either vidya is an artform or there's no art

You really have to get into the high technique level to see music as an art form.

But yeah, if you mean that only still pictures and movies are art (lol movies as art, would be nice if it were true.)

>Most art historians agree that videogames aren't art
Wrong.
> if a medium that contains music isn't artistic, how could music by itself be artistic?
Is film and theater not artistic then?

Design is not art.

Lmao this guy has probably never listened to mallsoft.

Everything is art.

Even supermarkets have elements of artistry in their design, construction, function etc. One of the defining qualities of art though is that is does nothing but act as art. Films, music, games that are primarily entertainment cease to be art, just as a urinal's main function disqualifies it as art.

nothing is art, art is irrelevant, lets all kill ourselves!!!!

kys

OP has been awarded the most stupid thread of today

Haven't seen a thread with as many fallacies and baseless facts in some time

Didn't we just have this damn thread a few hours ago? Who honestly cares if something is "art" besides hipsters?

Man I wonder who's behind this thread! Those fat autists from Sup Forums? Nah... Impossible!

Porn is a subgenre of movies.
Pleb fuck.
>One of the defining qualities of art though is that is does nothing but act as art
Then explain architecture, motherfucker.

Those 3 posts you replied to are either trolling or were written by an underage fuck. Either way it's a lose-lose situation

Funny because the most 'artistic' vidyas are just cheap interactive movies.

Sup Forums will not survive this summer

if art contains art, how could art be art?

How do you know that the art contains art?

Films, music and games are applied art.

>Films, music and games are applied art
>games are applied art
>games are art

i tested it

it came back art

Art is a useless concept for privileged people with too much time on their hands.

Stop wanking over useless distractions like music and film and go do something that will actually benefit society

Except those artistic elements incorporated in a supermarket are used for the purpose of business and making people buy things.

The artistic elements in video games are used for entertainment.

>privileged
>blues
>folk
>beat poets

The only medias of art that are art are:
>painting
>singing
Because everything has to be created from scratch.
Art like movies aren't art, because you have to look at things already existing.
If I made a movie about a mountain, only the mountain would be art, because I'm only making my own view of the mountain.
Meanwhile singing is art because you produce your own sounds, while playing an instrument isn't; the guitar is the art you are using, sound is just an effect of it.

>your vocal chords is the art you are using, sound is just an effect of it

>Wrong.
Nah.

This is insultingly bad b8.

> 2016
> not having transcended art

Wew, sure smells like pleb in here