Hip-Hop or Zippy-Dop?

Can we agree that, although it can sound good, Hip-Hop has to be the least impressive/original/creative form of music because by definition it requires samples from actually original songs.

Why are people knocking Frankie Sinatra? Listening to the album for the first time and when that track jumps in that moment is BASED.

No it sounds fucking sweet, im purely talking about merit of the artist.

Hip hop is easy and you don't need to have any musical skill to make it. Can still sound good

If you thought SILY was fantastic and think Wildflower is a disappointment your pessimism is fucking delusional

The way it leads in from Because I'm Me makes it so much better, but I still can't get into it much at all.

>Mmm yes, I must say Frankie Sinatra is indubitably one of the most sublime works of plunderphonic sound I have ever heard. What's that Madame? Electroswing? Heavens, no! That is the dirge of the lowly troglodyte. It is far from the purview of the masterful composers collectively known as the Avalanches.

Just started the track Colours. Wow its my favorite track so far. It still can't touch anything off of Since I Left You though.

Frankie Sinatra fucking sucks

youre comment is cringey but your picture is objectivley fucking sweet.

Right on! *awkwardly walks away*

>people have the time to perpetuate this meme

Wildflower is the first album that I've waited for for more than ten years and genuinely enjoyed.

Honestly I was shocked about the direction that Wildflower took from SILY but it's the definition of a grower and it's a great record in it's own right.

But can we just agree that Hip-Hop artists literally cant make anything if they dont have someone create an actually original work of art. They need someone to do the actually hard work.

No the fuck we can't.

I mean most hip-hop artists sample, yeah. But there's fucking no way that I'd agree that most of the individual parts of an album like Wildflower were better than Wildflower itself.

But yeah the sentiment may be true for most hip-hop artists. Although DLS is doing something with original instrumentation soon I think.

elaborate.

Im a fan of hip-hop dont get me wrong im just talking about the making of it and weather or not if its over credited. (And i love Wildflower, possibly even more than SILY, i just dont know princess.)

>just talking about the making of it
no though I absolutely agree that it helps to have a universe of music out there to be trawled through

but I think that's an art in itself

Opinions on J. Cole? specifically Forest hills? That album is basically the only reason i can still see merit in the genre outside of it sounding nice.

>more than SILY

I just dont know, princess, okay?

I listen to hip-hop but I'll agree that their method of making music is just cheating.

There are a number of hip hop artists that self-produce or work in collectives. If you count instrumental hip hop artists, that number increases dramatically. Hip Hop is also a genre that is heavily dependent on personality and uniqueness, so even if an artist is not involved with the production process, their trademark is what gives it life.

Haven't personally heard it. My attraction to it is not specifically that it sounds nice, but if a hip-hop artist samples certain tracks to attain a concept or aesthetic theme it can be absolutely fantastic - and I think that's what the best hip-hop records are

im just saying they arent good enough at music themselves so they need to steal the meat of the asthetic then they tweak it a little and get to pass it as original.

The effort that goes into making music isn't equal across all genres. Effort also isn't equate to quality and how much I enjoy it.

Shit thread.

Well thanks for your insight lil guy.

It depends. A lot of the people who sample put much more effort into their art than those that make the songs (or at least received recognition for the songs) but yeah I know where you're coming from

Hip-hop producers create their own tracks ALL the time, right?

I mean there are some cool samples out there but we can't generalize something so broad as hip hop like that, can we?

baby's first post. cute.

Frankie Sinatra Extended should have been the on the main tracklist. I heard that version when it was released as a single and it would have made the album better for me because I was so used to that version.

>by definition it requires samples from actually original songs.
No, it fucking doesn't. That is so incredibly wrong. Yes, the majority of hip hop artists like sampling, but that doesn't mean that it "requires" samples. That's what plunderphonics is.

Even then, sampling doesn't make the music inherently less impressive or creativity.

no we can't... sample based hip hop is just one school of many equally-valid schools of production.

It takes just as much musical skill to find a great sample and be able to make something with it than to come up with the foundation from scratch. It's just a different skillset.

Trust me, you don't know what you're talking about.

but whatever this whole thread is just bait...

>It takes just as much musical skill to find a great sample and be able to make something with it than to come up with the foundation from scratch.

Not true. Thats like saying people who refurbish sail boats are as good of craftsmen as those who can build them from scratch.

You are completely undermining the sometimes excruciating work it takes to get you notes down and get them right. its just unfair to the actual professionals.

Hip-hop is to original music as Jack Kerouac is to literature.

kys

If what you claim is true, then DJ Mustard and Metro Boomin should be able to shit out a brand new Since I Left You every other year.

yeah pretty much. i mean wildflowers having taken 16 years to make had nothing to do with how 'hard' it was to make the music. it was literally just a cluster fuck of inconveniences.

>stringy strangy on fiddle for 4 minutes
>sell for $$$$$$$ clams baby
>wicked hip hopper steals 2 second clip
>spends 10 hours on his fancy keybox
>sells song for CLAM
>silly rapman

>Thats like saying people who refurbish sail boats are as good of craftsmen as those who can build them from scratch.
No, it's more like saying a person who take specific parts of a sail boat and uses it make a completely different kind is as good of a craftsmen as person who built it from scratch.

You're undermining people who are able to take something old and make something new out of it.

uh huh? SILY is a cult classic, if it was easy to replicate, then we'd see far more copycats. But we don't? Could it be that making an album completely out of samples might be -gasp- difficult?!?!?!?!

calling it a cult classic is not doing it any favors.

if they were just as good of crafts men they wouldn't need to steal anything. seriously stop posting.

AHHHHHH FRANKIE MUH BOI

That's why. That shitty loop is what makes it absolutely terrible. It is honestly the worst song I've heard all year.

Sampling isn't inherently stealing you fucking idiot, especially if the sample itself has clearance.

i was never talking in a legal sense, go listen to some yeezy and get the fuck out of my thread you bumbling fucking idiot.

Ok how about the sound a regular instrument making sounds not so original huh wise guy? You can even say the same for using samples.

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Stealing literally means to take something without permission. The definition has nothing to do with legality. I hope to God you're not over the age of 18, because this is embarrassing.

he's losing his grip

i really am tho.

no what they do is use what ever sample they want, construct a song around it, then hope to god that they didnt just waste 10 hours on a sample they cant use. they ask for permission after the fact. and the only reason they get permission is because the original artist will make money off it.

The only way youd have a point is if there were artists making original music that said that people who sample there music are completely independent and have nothing to do with them or their music. Which is obviously never the case because thats literally bending over a synthesizer and taking it from j Dilla. i mean cmon man. the original musicians gotta have something here.