Free healthcare is a scam

Free healthcare is a scam

Why should my dad who earns 100k/annum have to pay around 45k in taxes yearly to the government of Canada? Then on top of that another 13% on things he purchases with the left over 55k?

Sure, he gets benefits, but does he use them?

Yes, he takes medication.

Yes, my mom has diabetes.

I haven't visited the family doctor in over 10 years.

My sister hasn't visited in over 6.

Why do we continue to pay her out of our taxes?

I don't go to a Catholic school, why do my parents pay into their system?

Why do the plebs pay only 10% - 15% of taxes out of 20k/annum?

Why don't they pay 45%?

Why do they get more tax breaks?

Why does the Government of Canada punish those who produce and reward those who don't?

Why do I have to live in the same neighborhoods and go to the same schools and walk among the same people who make 1/5th of my fathers income?

Why is Canada so fucked up in telling people they're all equal? Why am I forced to share my things with people I don't know in kindergarten?

Why the fuck can I not beat the shit out of my bully? Because its wrong?

Why the fuck do bullies get less discipline than the victim after the victim strikes back at the bully?

Why the fuck are we taught to stand up for ourselves and then get punished for doing just that?

Why the fuck can my friend work in McDonalds and afford Louis Vuitton and the newest Galaxy Note 4 and Timberlands but tells the teacher after class that he can't afford the $15 field trip for our Biology class?

Why the fuck is all of this true and each and everyone one of you can relate to this?

Fuck Canada.
Fuck Plebians.
Fuck Charity.
Fuck the Poor.

>Why should my dad who earns 100k/annum have to pay around 45k in taxes yearly to the government of Canada? Then on top of that another 13% on things he purchases with the left over 55k?
those are actually low taxes by european standards

It's worse in Germany.
After taxes someone with an PhD. earns just 500-1000 euros more than someone who got some vocational education after high-school.
It's quite sick how the top performers are treated.
This will just cause, or rather is actually causing, qualified, talented people to move out of this country.
Well Germany will just receive people from EU states who can't or don't want to move somewhere better.
I know that nothing will keep me here.

Your father can't possibly produce enough for society to make 100k a year, in order to make that he has to be taking advantage of other people's work, so its only fair that he gives back.

Also, 100k - 45k = 55k, most people makes half of that, so he should give even more, because if what most people makes isn't enough to live well then we're doing something wrong.

>I haven't visited the family doctor in over 10 years.
>My sister hasn't visited in over 6.

You should visit the doctor user.
That's what they are there for.

>Why do I have to live in the same neighborhoods and go to the same schools and walk among the same people who make 1/5th of my fathers income?

Why is your dad so lazy to switch you to another school. Better yet why are you so stupid that other schools won't?

>Your father can't possibly produce enough for society to make 100k a year

How do you figure that?

>because if what most people makes isn't enough to live well then we're doing something wrong

What if most people aren't as valuable as some people?

What if most people don't produce as much as the top few %?

Can you really compare the work of 50 janitors to the work of one Surgeon who saves lives? Are they really equal? Should being unsuccessful be rewarded and success punished in society?

I love how retards use janitors as low paying jobs when they don't have a real argument.
When usually they get payed more than teachers.
>success punished in society
If you're so successful why can't you jump another hurdle?

>most people makes half of that, so he should give even more, because if what most people makes isn't enough to live well then we're doing something wrong

Your logic is so flawed.

Why would you punish people who are more valuable to society? Why would you anyone want to succeed in a society where you just get punished instead of rewarded?

Why study hard in school to get top marks, to go to a top university to study hard there, to ace interviews to get a good job and work hard when you're just going to get it taken away?

>What if most people aren't as valuable as some people?
That's far too classist for someone in a progressive society like Canada to say

>I love how retards use janitors as low paying jobs when they don't have a real argument.

You know what I meant, you're arguing semantics.

Janitor was just the first thing to come to mind, replace it with any low-paying job. Can you really compare the work someone who earns $20k/yr does to someone who earns $100k+?

>If you're so successful why can't you jump another hurdle?

Like which hurdle? Not paying taxes? I can't because it's illegal

>How do you figure that?
because its impossible to do so singlehandedly

>What if most people aren't as valuable as some people?

i'm not saying people whose work is valuable shouldn't be rewarded, just that making like over twice what a janitor makes is ridiculous because over a certain point, making even more money doesn't increase your quality of life. and if you need more than twice what a janitor makes, the janitor probably isnt making enough.

not punished, worst case put in the same level if you pay so much taxes that the net salary is the same. in your case 100-45k is a whole lot more than 20-2k, so producing is still rewarded and in fact there's room for more taxes and there would still be an incentive

>Can you really compare the work someone who earns 20k/yr does to someone who earns 100K+
Finally an actual argument.
Why should a surgeon only care about how much he is being paid, if so he shouldn't have chosen to be a surgeon.
I wouldn't want a doctor that doesn't actually care whether I live or die to work on me.
I'd rather have one that chose the profession for the sake of its benefits to society.
>Like which hurdle? Not paying taxes? I can't because it's illegal
God, I need to explain this?
The hurdle is paying a fair share for the betterment of society, and in turn doing more work to make up the difference
Are you really at your fucking limit that 10% is going to destroy your life?
Thats fucking sad.

>because its impossible to do so singlehandedly
Do you have proof of this?

>i'm not saying people whose work is valuable shouldn't be rewarded
Right, you're just saying that they should have a third of their income taken away because it makes you feel better

>just that making like over twice what a janitor makes is ridiculous because over a certain point, making even more money doesn't increase your quality of life
It's not for you to decide how much money someone is allowed to make

>and if you need more than twice what a janitor makes, the janitor probably isn't making enough
Maybe he shouldn't have chosen to be a janitor then

>just that making like over twice what a janitor makes is ridiculous because over a certain point

How is it ridiculous?

Some people simply contribute more to society. Anyone can be a janitor but not everyone can run a successful business or be a doctor.

>making even more money doesn't increase your quality of life

Yes it does. And even if it didn't, who are you to say what increases your quality of life or how much is "enough"?

>and if you need more than twice what a janitor makes, the janitor probably isnt making enough.

Maybe the janitor doesn't deserve more? - Is that a possibility at all?

>not punished, worst case put in the same level if you pay so much taxes that the net salary is the same

Yeah but you're working way harder to get to that point, let alone day to day.

>Why should a surgeon only care about how much he is being paid, if so he shouldn't have chosen to be a surgeon.

Because financial incentive is what drives people.

Explain to me why someone would spend 10 years of their life studying and working an INCREDIBLY high-stress job literally dealing with people's health directly, potentially saving/killing people, as well as opening himself to liability of getting malpractice lawsuits that will bankrupt him?

Where is the appropriate gray area between free healthcare and "people should be shot for being fat, spreading STDs and doing drugs" though? It's not what we're doing.

>I wouldn't want a doctor that doesn't actually care whether I live or die to work on me.
>surgeon doesn't want to lose his medical license so he makes sure that you don't die
Wow problem solved without the redistribution of his wealth

>Why should a surgeon only care about how much he is being paid, if so he shouldn't have chosen to be a surgeon.
Maybe he chose to become a surgeon because he wanted to make a shitload of money. Why would someone choose to go through 15 years of schooling if a janitor is effectively making the same amount of money

rather this than the american equivilant of 10 000 $ for bandaids

Most people have health insurance you retarded faggot

>surgeon doesn't want to lose his medical license so he blames your death on something he neglected to tell you like how your root canal causes heart disease

Nice meme, cucklord. Now go pay for Abdula and his friends' healthcare.

>Because financial incentive is what drives people.
Man, 7 billion people are exactly the same, how fucking crazy is that? Statisticians must be going nuts.

>Explain to me why someone would spend 10 years of their life studying and working an . . .
. . .that will bankrupt him
I'll provide an anecdote.
I'm doing so I can actually try and help people.

>he makes sure you don't die
Unless you can't afford a lawyer

>Why would someone . . . make the same amount of money
I direct you to want I said early this post.

>this would never happen in a socialized system ever

>rather this than the American method of having health insurance through you company that covers everything
Kys

>company that covers everything
Except most don't.
And its been proven you pay more.
I'd link sources but you'd just move goal posts.

>good goy, single payer is evil

>Unless you can't afford a lawyer
Can you prove that this happens exclusively in non socialized systems? If not then fuck off

>Can you prove that this happens exclusively in non socialized systems?
Doesn't fucking matter if it does or doesn't.
What is being argued isn't about whether or not a surgeon will still commit fraud.

>this would never happen in a socialized system ever

Well I guess it comes down to what it always fuckin' does. No one cares enough to execute an appropriate punishment for abusing the law, the hippocratic oath is a sham, so on both sides no one will ever really get anywhere. Eventually the crook doctor, insurance agent, pharmaceutical lobbyists and you, all die. Nuke everything.

What shithole do they get paid more then teachers?

:/

Becuase peoepl point to Switzerland as an "example" of no need of social healthcare despite Switzerland in a round about way still does it in some manner.

you have to be 18 to post here

Pardon me. I mean what shithole state.

Doing it Swiss style would never work in America either.

The bigger question is "why should Americans subsidize the health care costs of the rest of the planet?"

Seriously. Your drugs are this cheap because we pay 2-10x as much for the same drugs. That we develop. In the USA. At our expense. For companies who pay taxes in Ireland.

We need a Global Pharma Free Trade Agreement. Bring all those Irish companies back to the country that employs the R&D and get the loopholes. Let the government negotiate payments for Medicare. And let us buy health care from anywhere, across state lines.

FUCK BIG MED.
And fuck your subsidized single payer systems. Stop bragging about your system we pay for.

Said the american after swallowing a pack of BAYER pills.

...

I've never seen anyone point to switzerland as an example of no need for social healthcare
:/
I'd be up for this if Big Pharma would drop their prices in response.
But they won't.
Never heard of BAYER pills.

>Switzerland

Of course, there has to be at least one place in the entire world that has their shit together enough to know how to handle muh gunz, and it's probably going to be a place that is large enough to be carpeted.

Yeah, thanks for the aspirin. And you're welcome for the Hep-B vaccinations.

Their healthcare system actually makes it easier to handle muh gunz
No one has an excuse not to get a mental check.
Honestly thats why I'm pro socialised healthcare, it ends the "we need gun control" argument if it gets put in and gun violence drops.
That and the failed drug war.

Swiss and their gun stuff is completely different then America's by a mile.

>Switzerland are no free state-provided health services, but private health insurance is compulsory for all persons residing in Switzerland (within three months of taking up residence or being born in the country)

>Swiss are required to purchase basic health insurance, which covers a range of treatments detailed in the Swiss Federal Law on Health Insurance (German: Krankenversicherungsgesetz (KVG); French: la loi fédérale sur l’assurance-maladie (LAMal); Italian: legge federale sull’assicurazione malattie (LAMal)). It is therefore the same throughout the country and avoids double standards in healthcare. Insurers are required to offer this basic insurance to everyone, regardless of age or medical condition. They are not allowed to make a profit off this basic insurance, but can on supplemental plans.

Try pulling this off in the U.S. You can't the American medical and insurance system is so fucked up.

Getting a mental evaluation in Switzerland probably at least seems less like a fruitless effort as well. So you don't slip and tell your therapist that people look like giant insects to you, she tells you to get a job, and you go off and shoot up a shart mart.

>t. Rajeet Patel, posting from Tuscany in Calgary

True. But it's because we haven't negotiated pharma trade agreements. Face it - we develop those wonder drugs in the USA, for companies headquartered in a third world shithole called Ireland, and you pay a discount because we pay so much more. Because these fuckers are allowed to lobby congress to prevent our largest health care provider, Medicare, from negotiating prices.

We are seriously FUCKED UP. And you benefit.

What about poor countries?

>We are seriously FUCKED UP. And you benefit.

Seriously, thank you for pointing this out.

You're an alright leaf

Like in Africa? They have no money, so we and the Muslims compete to convert them.

Perhaps we could be allowed to chose whether we want to subsidize their health care? Is that not fair?

We don't have a choice whether we subsidize your health care. We just do it. So perhaps we could take that Euro and Canadian subsidy and apply it to the poor countries.

You wouldn't have a problem with that. Would you?

The devlopment prices of those drugs aren't that expensive.

Are you kidding

R&D for pharmaceuticals is billions of dollars

>only 100k
>calling others plebs
you are the delusional one

Tell me why.
What is actually necessary to develop a drug?
And don't inflate anything.

put the finn in the bin

Typical elitist attitude. You never think of the poor people. If we have it your way, Poor people die of the flu because they cant afford health care.
Listen to yourself. your dad still has 55k left. Thats a shit ton of money and twice as much as my dad makes BEFORE taxes. Yet you act like the government is stealing all your money.

Fuck you, you ungrateful shit. You have no idea how many people get fucked over by our healthcare system.

A few days in the hospital will cost $400,000 dollars putting the average American in debt for life.

People forgo their medicine because they can't afford it, or struggle with other essentials because of it.

Burn in hell, you elitist trash.

>Why the fuck can my friend work in McDonalds and afford Louis Vuitton and the newest Galaxy Note 4 and Timberlands but tells the teacher after class that he can't afford the $15 field trip for our Biology class?
That's the reason he's poor, friend.

Mad kulak is mad
Your father makes enough, after taxes, to have a comfortable life, make bad investments, waste money on luxuries, and save for the future.
The government to whom he pays money is largely responsible for his success.
The difference between your father making $100'000 and $55'000 is minimal compared to the difference between a laborer making $20'000 instead of $30'000.

He _can_ afford the field trip, but he doesn't want to spend money or time on it. That was a shitty example to begin with

research you dumbass

The equipment and people needed to develop important drugs costs insane amounts of money, and sometimes it doesn't work out at all.

>A few days in the hospital will cost $400,000 dollars putting the average American in debt for life

[citation needed]

I strongly, strongly doubt that everyone who spends a few days in the hospital has to pay $400,000. Literally no one would pay any of their debt then...

This. Had a serious family scare with this. We had just fine insurance.

Count your fucking blessings OP.

>Literally no one would pay any of their debt then...

No shit sherlock. That's why it's extortion.

My example is $35000 USD. Fuck your nitpickiness. Jesus.

Yeah which blessings?

Waiting many hours in the ER?

Waiting up to a year or two for a surgery?

Waiting many months to see a specialist?

>waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.

18.3 week wait times on average!!!!!!!!!!

>No shit sherlock. That's why it's extortion.

What does health insurance cover?

>ITT
Evola is right. There's nothing to do but to wait for the modern world to get destroyed.

>Yeah which blessings?
>Waiting many hours in the ER?
>Waiting up to a year or two for a surgery?
>Waiting many months to see a specialist?

In Alberta they know how to control rat populations, why not start applying that resolve to your own, leaf? Do you think non-socialized healthcare will be any more effective when your country is full of MILLIONS of people? Get rid of them.

At the very least i want the option of private healthcare in Canada.

I see absolutely no reason for why Canada does not have both of those, at least. I'm fine with even paying for shit I don't use, but please just let me have access to private healthcare instead of outlawing it or requiring me to travel to other countries for it.

Because if I had to pay 45% taxes on my 20k/year, I wouldn't be able to afford the basic necessities (food, rent, electricity, transportation, etc.) and in turn wouldn't be able to maintain my job, would end up on the street, and then just be a leach on society.

It's better for everyone that us poorfags pay less in taxes. If that isn't obvious, you are retarded.

Maybe you should have studied a little better in school huh big guy?

Don't you wish you listened to your mom and dad now?

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but you are right,

My countrymen all seem to be poor people, statists and non-whites, all so self-entitled; I have no national identity in this country
Once I finish my bachelors of engineering (with honours) I'm gtfo'ing to anywhere where at least I can keep most of my income, because that seems to be the only thing a country can offer

I wouldn't mind paying taxes if they were spent in any% about shit I cared about, but instead it just seems like a universal waste

Waaa waaa When has this ever happened? Maybe in Ontario, but i've been here a while now (parents are americans) and have not experienced major waits for anything.

Even then, in the US i had to wait months to see a specialist as well. With proper health insurance. Cry me a fucking river, yall blow these far out of proportion.

Both would just render public insurance ineffective. You'd be better off giving yourself a pet insurance plan and seeing a vet.

Yes it has personally happened to me

A little sad how you respond to legitimate concerns with "waaaa waaaaa" and "cry me a river" when a very large portion of our population (who's actually encountered the healthcare system at its finest)is unhappy with the service we receive.

Wynne is literally bleeding Ontario dry

>but i've been here a while now (parents are americans) and have not experienced major waits for anything.

Well what have you gotten done?

ER wait times are many hours in most hospitals in ON unless you're literally dying.

MRI wait times are months.

Specialist appointments are multiple months on average (check the ontario healthcare wait time site for this... it's not made). Surgery wait times at some hospitals are literally YEARS - no joke. Many operations are deemed not "necessary" so you can wait a very long time

Rofl. Where will you go?
You hate the poor, you hate regulation, you hate race minorities, and you have a four-year degree in a vague field.
I struggle to think of a place where you will have to compromise on none of that, let alone a place where an outsider will be accepted and allowed to prosper.
You live in a fantasy. Pay your dues.
If the poor have it so much easier than you do, consider living like a poor person.

Well, I'm actually in Alberta so I haven't experienced Ontario care.

Sounds mostly like a management problem rather than a fundamental problem. No one I've talked to here has voiced any dissent, including myself.

Being poor is a choice.

Why would you choose to be a subhuman waste of space? Shame on this society for actually encouraging these worthless pieces of shit.

It's no wonder Ontario has so much debt. We have the most idiotic systems possible.

Oh and we're making University free for poorfags in 2017 and considering bringing in Basic Income. Good bye canada, we hardly knew thee

You're literally an idiot. You don't pay taxes to benefit yourself. You pay them to benefit the nation which means to benefit the people who can't afford them and to pay for infrastructure which benefits everybody.

>Sounds mostly like a management problem rather than a fundamental problem

More like a problem of uncontrolled immigration with misallocation of funds by our supreme Marxist rulers

Yes but he hates the poor so this is unfair to him

>Being poor is a choice.

So when someone gets tumor it can be treated unlike in my shit country

I went to the hospital last year in Ottawa, waited for maybe 7 hours, and got a CT scan. It sucked but who cares. It wasn't that bad. I dunno what there is to complain about.

Respond to the whole post, Jacob.
It takes a level 58 Jaded Retard to insist that poor people are poor by choice. Please go apologize to your former preschool teachers for undoing the healthy human development they worked to encourage.

>It wasn't that bad. I dunno what there is to complain about.

Average wait times in Toronto for MRI scan, posted by government of Ontario.

>It wasn't that bad

>It wasn't that bad

>It wasn't that bad


>OVER 3 MONTHS WAITING TARGET

>I DUNNO WHAT THERE IS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT

>OVER 3 MONTHS

>I DUNNO WHAT THERE IS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT