How accurate is it for Tony to nearly defeat Cap and Bucky 1v2?

How accurate is it for Tony to nearly defeat Cap and Bucky 1v2?

They played fast and loose with the fragility of Tony's Armor to even the odds a bit.

How come the lasers that come from Tony's hands don't just one-shot them? They should at least be stronger than bullets.

How can Iron Man withstand direct hits from a tank, Mjolnir, Hulk, Ultron, Iron Monger, but steve rogers punches his foot, and half his armor malfunctions?

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i thought he chopped at it with his shield

Who cares. What was bullshit was that Cap was beating up Spider-Man.

Yeah, but it's still Iron Fucking Man. Ultron was made of vibranium.

Maybe Cap got stronger. He restrained a helicopter when there is no way even a peak human being should be able to do that.

Cap has always had super strength in the MCU.

They were beating him with the WInter Soldier's robot arm and Cap's shield.

I enjoyed the added cool parts from the comic into the movie. The scene where Cap and Iron Man are in that iconic stance struggling against each other. Iron Mans suit learning Caps moves.

The guy playing Bucky is hell of an actor though, a lot more emotion than Chris could pull out.

S.Rogers plot armor > all (except B.Wayne + prep time = GOD)

Tony should have just used Hulkbuster against Cap and Fucky

Caps plot armor is no where near as obnoxious as Batmans. Caps fans aren't cancer either, unlike Bat fans.

They didn't care about how accurate it was. They were just mindlessly ripping off the final fight from The Raid.

Cap's been working on his gains

he didn't want to kill them until that last fight, and even then he didn't want to kill cap

He didn't beat him up, he used his own strength against him, and then stuck him under a jet bridge. The only time He actually hit him was when he was swinging and he tagged him with the shield. Not to mention the kid's inexperienced and Cap has years of it.

He did, and apparently Bucky is strong enough to crack a repulsor with his mech hand. The issue becomes is Cap with the edge of his shield more destructive than Thor with the blunt impact of Mjolnir, and most people would say he shouldn't be, but that's sort of whats been portrayed here.

One argument is that Thor wasn't using his full strength in "shakespere in the park" alternatively, as Tony has increased the output of the firepower and the suit's agility, has he decreased its defenses? The Mk-46 is a lot sleeker than the 6 he went up against Thor in.

More likely it's that the writers simply aren't consistent enough.

To be fair, Vision could have just killed all of Team Cap at the airport, too.

You mean Scarlet Witch could have killed all of Iron Mans Avengers?

Vision knows her true power, it's probably why he didn't do much in the fight to prevent the others from seeing how strong she really is.

He had the extremis armor on, which sacrificed defense in place of the ability to get in and out of it with ease, maneuverability and offense, remember how much time it would take for him to get into the suit in iron man 1?

More likely they two of them stayed out of it where they could to avoid killing their friends.

>didn't actually fight pete
>pete has been spiderman for 6 months and is still a retard
>they even show how strong he is when he casually stops bucky

hmmmmmmm

Where does Droopy Dog fit into this?

To be fair, Cap is already an experienced fucking Avenger. Spider-Man has had his powers only six months ago and this is his first real fight.

And he shamed almost everybody.

Did spiderman even have his spider sense in this? He kept falling for dumb shit.

>then stuck him under a jet bridge

Which was pretty fucked up.

There's no way he could've known Peter could hold that.

And he already knew he was a kid.

>Did spiderman even have his spider sense in this?

Watch the scene where Bucky flings shit at him, he clearly senses it coming even when he can't see it.

Spidey's speed got nerfed, so Cap could keep up with him and smack him. Also Spidey didn't remember to stick to the ground.

Ya he did, He's just not used to it I suppose. He did spider sense some stuff though - Like when that giant metal door or w/e was flying right at him from behind and he interrupted himself and said" Oh god!" And then ducked.

Peak human for Cap is being superhuman, otherwise "peak human" Cap from the 40s would be outclassed (at least in individual events) in the Olympics 70 years later. Cap is the peak of what humans can be, like he had centuries of selective breading/eugenics experiments. That way the gradual increases and decreases in lifting, running, etc. records would eventually catch up with Cap, he needs to be far enough beyond the top human of his day so that he'll still be the top human even if they freeze him for near a century.

>why doesnt iron man shot laser?
he doesn't want to kill Captain America, and he did his chest blast at Bucky so he was serious with him.

>how did Cap give Iron Man a fight?
Cap is superhuman, not peak human. Batman wouldn't scratch Iron Man but Cap can. and his shield is made of Vibranium, so that's what was the killing strike on his arc reactor.

It's isn't as if he dropped an actual bridge on him. And he knew first hand that he was significantly stronger than him, when using the same muscle groups Pete was pulling his arms apart.

He knew Peter was stronger than him and he knew he could lift it, so it was fine. Besides you ever been in one of those? I have no idea why Spider-man was even struggling with it, it's hollow steel with thin sides. It's no shipping container.

1) Tony's suit was probably more geared towards agility/easy storing than defense, probably less sturdy than his previous models, plus it might have been the same suit from the airport fight, in which case it would have already suffered some damage.

2) Cap is superhuman, not just peak, he's strong as fucking hell and so is Bucky's arm, couple that with a vibranium shield with a thin edge and it's no wonder it could fuck up even IM's armor.

3) Tony doesn't want to kill cap, only Bucky, so he was most likely holding back, whereas cap and Bucky had no need to hold back against the amor itself, so long as they don't kill Tony.

4) as for spiderman, he's still young and inexperienced so even if he's physically stronger and faster than cap, he lacks the awareness and preparedness that cap has from being a seasoned fighter, which is why he loses. also, his spider sense works, he just seems to not be used to it, again probably from being inexperienced in combat.

>analyze his fight pattern

I can't wait to see Tony never use this ability again

>analyze his fight pattern

>uhh what lol?

the movie was entertaining solely due to the fights

the script and the direction of the movie are just trash and only flaming fanboys could actually say the movie is "good"

His latest armors are focused on versatility rather than durability.
He can get out of the armors easily, and now they are even modular.
The original armor needed minutes and a gigantic machine to wear it.

That spot on the armor is particularly weak. There isn't strong armor there because that where Tony fire off this major blast attack. Due to the fire power of that attack, the suit probably doesn't need protection there. However, he was low on energy after multiple fights and just blasting Bucky's metal arm a few moment earlier with the chest attack.

Also, tony was also pressed against solid ground, which make the force of the attack greater. Before, he was hit by hulk or thor, but was knocked away into the air so some of the energy was lost.

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widest they ever got in the movie was that middle version

>The guy playing Bucky is hell of an actor though, a lot more emotion than Chris could pull out.

Yeah i liked how he was using all his might to keep tony pined to the wall before he blew his arm off.

Super intense

Nothing superhuman about being able to stop a helicopter like that fämälämäs.

I work out and could do it

second to last looks alot better

Ironman 1 he literally takes a tank shell to the face. Ironman 3 suddenly his suit was made from ceramic.

How did we get to that point?

The suit is as powerful as it needs to be. Just like every other comic hero.

In Iron Man 1 his suit took several minutes to put on with a gigantic robot and was designed to take a lot of punishment, but after spending its ammo couldn't really do much since the repulsors were still pretty weak

By Iron-Man 3 they're unmanned suits that are basically designed to be expendable so that he can keep making upgrades to their versatility rapidly without using too many resources

RDJ probably had them shoe it in so he wouldn't lose to cap 1 on 1 like he does in the comics.

I don't remember him taking a tank shell to the face, i remember him dodging a tank shot and returning fire.

Can you link a video to prove he took a tank shell to the face?

He literally is the super soldier.

Imagine an entire army of him.

Cap only beat Tony down the second time because Spidey gave him some kind of EMP device that fucked up Tony's suit.

Cap nearly got killed by Tony the first time they fought. The film compromised and them both pretty fucked up at the end with Cap winning. Which technically what happened until all the normies tackled Cap to prevent him from killing Tony.

The tank first shoots him out of the sky after that he dodges it and returns fire

I see, that does make it odd.

I'd put it down to the fact the IM armour is designed for speed and ease of donning rather than overall resilience; owing to the fact he can easily win quick enough.
He's resilient enough for most things but not for getting wailed on.
You can bet the next few Mk armours are tougher though.

actually watching it again the closest they ever get is to the #2 version, but the black parts are still thicker towards the top points.

And Steve, being a known master of modern architecture and material usage, knew exactly the weight of what he as dropping, obviously.

It's pretty obvious that he sacrifices some defence for more portable suits.

The suits are quicker to put on, and can be stored easier now. So of course they aren't going to be as strong.

>I've stood inside one therefore I know how heavy it is
And there is no way cap could know he could hold it up.
He had no idea how much it weighed, or what Spidermans max strength was.

All he knew was that he was stronger than him.

Cap originally was just very strong for a human, he never had super strength. The super soldier serum just enhanced him to the peak of human ability.

Then after that there was Ultimate version of him who was much much stronger, closer the version we see in the MCU. That kind of ended up making normal comic cap get powered up as well because people really liked that version.

The MCU film version is honestly probably the strongest version of cap ever, punching out a harrier jet, winning a tug of war with a helicopter, etc. But even having said that Iron Man should have destroyed him and Bucky, just fucking destroyed them going by accepted comic power levels. They dropped Iron Man's power to make it closer and Bucky and Cap are much stronger than they traditionally are. It still should have been a blowout, like with Iron Man punching cap in the head which he does multiple times caps head should have just fucking exploded if he was really trying. I know people will say he was pulling punches didnt want to kill steve, etc, whatever.

I'm not really complaining. Great fight scene and great fucking movie. But traditionally not same weight class at all.

Specifically, when he kicked the unconscious Bucky in the face while Steve was dazed, that should have been it- should have kicked his head OFF.

This has been known since Iron-Man 2, since he couldn't get out of the mangled armor in Iron-Man1.

He knew he was faster too, its more likely he thought Spider-Man would actually get out of the way and he could attack him while he was dodging.

Yeah exactly, shit like that. He kicked Bucky in the head as hard as he could. His head should have just fucking exploded into hamburger.

Anyway great movie, probably my favorite MCU with winter soldier close second. They should just let these guys make every main event MCU film from here on out, they showed they know what they are doing and made a much better Avengers film that Whedon.

it looks like #2 is the widest they go, the rest is ... decorative.

Agreed. The fact we have to nitpick power level shit like this means there wasn't much else to complain about.

>autism

Unibeam was AFTER Cap punched his foot booster.

Still a bad strategy to try and murder a kid like that.

He was relying on luck to not get spider-man killed.

The only thing that really bothered me about this fight was how they stood there punching a suit of armour.

All they had to do was trip him and grapple. His boosters were already fucked up, and it's not like he would've had any way to shake them off from behind. Realistically, they could've trapped and disabled his suit if they managed to get in close enough.

But yeah it's a movie so they had to have punching. Same way the Terminators just throw people around instead of crushing their skulls or sticking their fingers into the back of the neck to sever the spine.

I wanna know why Iron Man doesn't have those shoulder mounted gun things he had in iron man 1 that killed 5 terrorists in a second. Would have been pretty useful to fight cap dont you think?

>lethal weapons would've been pretty useful in a fight where he's actively trying not to kill the guy he's fighting
Sure.
He was only trying to kill Bucky, not Cap.
Cap was only trying to stop Tony from killing Bucky, not kill Tony.

Steve is experienced enough to know that Spidey was fast enough to dodge the bridge.
What Steve didn't know was that Spidey would be actually strong enough to just hold the bridge.

Remember the suit fixing later that fight? Tony stuck in the suit and have to wait for quite a bit before he fixed the suit and get out.

So was anyone else impressed by the amount of damage done to the heroes? Yeah, I know they'll be back in working order next time but in comparison to a normal person, or even just enhanced, they took a shot ton of punishment that half won't be walking off for quite a while.

Rhodes is crippled
Spider-Man likely has cracked ribs
Ant man probably has a concussion and slightly sickened from tonys suit suppressants
Wanda is probably a little deaf
Bucky needs a new arm and probably had to get a world class surgeon to fix his face after meeting a jet powered metal boot
Cap is likely going to be shitting and pissing blood for weeks after taking a bunch of blasts and metal punches to the gut, probably some new teeth after that surprise hook while he was down
Tony has a broken arm and a shattered ego.

In capeshit it's nothing, but it's still the most damage we've seen them take in any movie really.

Why doesn't Tony use CS gas?
Also why doesn't he use sonic weapons?


I highly doubt Cap or Bucky would be capable of fighting if they can't breath or they're so overwhelmed by the noise that they can't even think.

Or both at the same time, plus a smoke bomb to cut out both their senses and their breaths.

For someone who's a hero he sure lacks nonlethal options.

Not accurate at all if Tony can take direct hits from Thor's Hammer and Hulk's fists and walk it off.

>I highly doubt Cap or Bucky would be capable of fighting if they can't breath
Like the first 5 minutes of this movie?

"Did anyone see that really old movie 'The Empire Strikes Back?'"

nearly? fucking movies man
i'm all team cap and even i know iron man would wreck them solely because his fucking suits makes him so much more powerful then his organic counter part (bucky & cap)

the one thing that pissed me off was them portraying iron man powerful enough to keep up with hulk and thor which is total bullshit
anybody who read the comics would know that the hulk buster barely held for 5 mins against hulk and iron man isn't even a challange for Thor

Enough said

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As for as the MCU goes? Very.

what was so triggering about this line

>More likely it's that the writers simply aren't consistent enough.

It's this. You can argue all day about it, but it is this.

It is strong when it needs to be, and weakened when it needs to be. That's all there is to it.

Am I in Sup Forums?

Cam rips have gone too far

>Seasoned enchanced veteren that fought hundreds for battles against a kid who had his powers for 6 months

America had a huge advantage on experience alone. Also Spiderman still put on a good show and they even addressed his super strenght, that is mostly forgotten for some reason

THIS is a fucking camrip? It looks almost like a low bitrate bluray rip,

Telecine. Copy of the film print basically

Black Panther and Spiderman were the best parts of the movie, discuss

It's 2016, we're one fucking around.

Done*, as well.

>Spider-Man suit has built-in wink function
insulting t b h

He's read the plot.

Please, Thor was crushing the Iron Man suit by grabbing it too hard. The suit gets damaged from Thor's fingers, not even real punches.

Spider-Man up until that point had only fought against handbag thieves and litterers
Cap has been in multiple fights against people with multiple skillsets

Sure, Spiderman may be stronger, but he doesn't know it yet

Isn't the extremis armour the one that comes out of his skin?

>muh hulkbuster is supposed to fail
>muh mcu iron man goes toe to toe with thor
MCU Thor kicks MCU Iron Man's ass user, watch a movie sometime.

>dat pic

the whole lens thing is to help him focus. He explained why he wore goggles to Tony and Tony took it to the next level when he made him a new suit

>Peter is 16
>the movie is nearly 40 years old

What did you want him to say? That "new" movie?

Fuck is wrong with you guys? He chose agility, offense and the ability to don the suits with ease over defense

>He could of said You know that scene in Empire Strikes Back?