Hates Capitalism

>Hates Capitalism
>Uses Capitalism to subvert the Blacklist

I think the movie was trying to establish that Trumbo was retarded.

>"Communism is when you have a sandwich and you see a starving child so you give half of it to him"

>famines don't happen in capitalist countries

Sup Forums pls go

Name one.

>famines don't happen in communist utopia, because glorious leader always feed the children in gulag

>famines aren't mandatory in Communist countries

>yfw the cold war has been over for long enough that jews are now beginning to push communism again

Potato famine in Ireland

>the Russians killed at least two million Jews
I don't understand their schemes sometimes

this time communism will be done right and surely work.

Don't be silly, Ireland isn't a country.

>Ireland

>Answered the question
Time for memes!

Bengal famine

Oh they did. I just don't distort reality to fit the ruling ideology.

>north korea
>communist
wew lad

Congratulations, you've discovered the liberal thought process

Sarah is from Ireland

lel, NK was criticized by countries lik Eastern Germany for lacking "marxism-leninist discipline" and being too nationalist/culty

>The famine that was caused by a plant disease

Let me guess, Socialist education.

They all fucked up hard though
>Soviet famine
>Chinese famine
>Cambodian famine
And the 1970s and 80s were littered with post-colonial Africans adopting Communist regimes and then starving to death.

Cuba barely dodged a famine in 1994
Venezuela is about to begin a famine any day now

It's like Commies literally fucking hate food.

Rather than playing "no u" you should be asking why capitalism occasionally fails to feed citizens, but famine under Communism is completely ubiquitous

>"Communism is when you have a sandwich and you see a starving child so you give half of it to him"

this is an actual line from the movie? I saw this in another thread and thought the person was making a joke.

>Lack of statistics was an important cause of the failure to recognize and tackle the famine. It was known by administrators and statisticians[F]well before the famine that India's agricultural production statistics were "not merely guesses, 'but frequently demonstrably absurd guesses'".[23]The statistics were described as "entirely untrustworthy"[24]and "useless for any purpose".[G]It was also stated that "no dependable statistics existed in Bengal",[25]that what statistics existed "were disbelieved by the very Government which issued them",[26]and that there were "no meaningful production statistics"[27]and the averaging procedure increased the error.[28]Senior officers then changed the calculated figures according to their whim. About half the estimates were adjusted; adjustments of 30% to 40% were common, and changes of 60% to 70% were not unknown.[29]

So basically retarded Government Poos.

How did CAPITALISM cause it?

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Well, to be fair, the Bolshevik revolution, and nearly every major leader and proponent of Communism in its early days was Jewish. Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, all Jewish.

I'm not denying this.

Why do Jews kill so many Jews?

Was the "Hitler was a Jew" meme true?

Being a Marxist or Communist is basically the most fedora thing you could do. They don't actually believe in it they are just looking to get into arguments.

Surprised it's not used as bait around here more often.

>Louis CK is a communist
What a fucking surprise

They killed the lower class, probably didn't target jews.
Hitler did obviously because he saw their tricks and they tried taking over the German government previously

>probably didn't target Jews
The Soviets purged the fuck out of Jews senpai

probably because capitalist agriculture puts in whatever possible to make money, while communist agriculture puts a politician in charge of making food.

>discriminatory property rights
>the Corn Law
>forced monoculture
>Trevelyan
These capitalistic practices totally didn't create the perfect storm for the blight.

The state and capitalism are inexorably linked.

You could also use this logic to defend famine in "communist countries".
>that was the authoritarian state not communism

>Marx
Raised Catholic
>Lenin
Russian Orthodox

This movie made me lose all the respect I had for Brian Cranston.

The problem with the Irish is they depended far too much on a single crop, a shitty fucking crop at that.

They didn't diversify their bonds and paid the consequences.

Besides, most of them immigrated because of it. Had they stayed it would have been much worse, I'd love to see a movie about it personally, the Ireland part I mean, I've already seen Gangs of New York.

Actually the Holodomor, which happened in the middle of agricultural reform and mechanization, was the last famine that occurred in any area under Soviet control, and famines had been regular in many of the countries until then.

>was the last famine that occurred in any area under Soviet control
The Soviets didn't have a baby boom at the end of World War 2 unlike every other country, they just kept starving.

Defeating the Blacklist on their own ground by showing how pathetic it was? Actually not bad.

>expecting idealism from a Hollywood director

>Discriminatory property rights

That's not Capitalism, such an act restricts the free market, ie the freedom of the people to choose.

It's not Communism, but not Capitalism either. It's a moronic restriction based on ego of the implementors.

You act like they had a choice. That was the only crop available to them. Everything else was being shipped and sold by absentee owners and landlords.

Rather than argue the principles of British Colonial Mercantilism it's easier to just compare the "modern" (post-WWII) era where largely capitalistic countries thrived and largely communist countries floundered.

You even get a near perfect microcosm of the entire debate on the Korean peninsula - similar land masses with similar populations at a similar level of development and then give each of them a couple decades under opposite ideologies and look at the results.

>enforcing private property rights
>not an aspect of capitalism
There has never been the fantasy free market you beat off to.

Government is,not opposed to capital. Capitalists and government have always colluded.

North Korea is not communist.

No country has ever been communist because communism has never been attempted yet

That's because Russian industrialization was slow (until Stalin) and late. You can't just take completely different situations, compare them year per year, and think you've made a good or meaningful comparison. And what does it have to do with the topic of famines under communist rule, anyway?

I'm directly addressing a guy who claimed Ukraine was "the last famine that occurred in any area under Soviet control" with another famine that occurred 15 years later.

>>enforcing private property rights
>>not an aspect of capitalism
>There has never been the fantasy free market you beat off to.

There is, it's called the US. There are no DISCRIMINATORY property rights laws here.

You would have a point if discriminatory property rights were the only thing that defined a free market.

Yeah, but that was because of the war.

You seemed to be well versed.

What are the bad things about Capitalism?

This should be easy.

Name a country with a completely capitalist system.

Massive income inequality, lax labor and product safety standards, wage stagnation, rampant speculation that leads to boom-bust markets which enrich a small number but impoverish a vast majority in a very short time.

Most of them.

Let me ask you a question. What is the definition of capitalism?

>I'm a communist guys, honest. I'm not just looking to argue I swear!

>Most of them
Name one country. Just one. Don't bother saying the United States or United Kingdom because neither of those are capitalist economies. In fact don't say any first world nation, second world still nope, even in the third world you're stretching it. Any government intervention in the market, that includes education and healthcare (both commodities that could be bought and sold) or any sense of the commons (common ownership of water, air, airwaves, etc.)

A lot of thisI also don't get down with inefficient resource distribution, the profit motive, unequal power relations, commodity culture, stifling innovation, minority privilege, inherent exploitation and a while bunch of shit.

Nah dude. You just defined a free market. Capitalism is defined by the private ownership of the means of production. Markets and capitalism are not the same thing.

> (You)
>Massive income inequality,

Based on what? Shitty average income charts? Are women making less than men as well?

>Lax labor and product safety standards,

Is that why Campbell's has higher production standards than Public school lunches? They don't want to get sued, that fixes itself.

>wage stagnation,

Competition, if your work is worth less you won't make money. Get a valuable skill. You can't make labor worth more by implementing laws.

>rampant speculation that leads to boom-bust markets which enrich a small number but impoverish a vast majority in a very short time.

You do realize when that shit happens that TONS of those speculators went bankrupt right? The ones you see "getting away with it" are a relative few who played it safe. The banks should have fallen in '08, but lo and behold Obama gave them a bailout.

>Markets and capitalism are not the same thing.
That's a purely semantic argument. So, for example, show me a non-market capitalist. Also, none of those countries have universal private ownership of the 'means of production'. I can name several government-controlled industries in each of those countries, meaning they are not capitalist. They are Mixed economies, this is not new information. You're wrong. Accept it.

Markets exist within capitalism. Mixed economy is just a name for a type of market based capitalist economy. It allows for state ownership and intervention. Free market capitalism isn't the only form capitalism.

>Based on what? Shitty average income charts? Are women making less than men as well?

Longitudinal studies going back to the fucking Gilded Age. Income inequality being a byproduct of capitalism is not a new or revolutionary idea, no matter what Ron Paul or your favorite Cato Institute blogger told you.

>Is that why Campbell's has higher production standards than Public school lunches? They don't want to get sued, that fixes itself.

What a moronic statement. First of all, saying that the offenders may someday get sued and that that somehow 'fixes things' especially in the case of tobacco or auto companies who sat on information that could have saved people's lives. Sure, they lost some money down the line after the blood had already dried, let's not think about how if they were subject to tighter regulations they wouldn't have gotten it through in the first place.

>Competition, if your work is worth less you won't make money. Get a valuable skill. You can't make labor worth more by implementing laws.

Spoken like a true middle-class NEET living of his Baby Boomer daddy's money. You have absolutely no understanding about economic mobility. If there is one industry in town (almost always largely subsidized by the local taxpayers) and they threaten to pack up and leave if you don't accept their shitty wages then you are a hostage to their demands regardless of your skill. I'm sure you'll say something stupid like 'well just move!' because you've never had to deal with something like bills or actually financing moving further than from your den to the fridge and back.

Ethnically Jewish,dawg. Back then, even being part Jewish made you a heeb.

>Karl Marx was born on 5 May 1818 to Heinrich Marx and Henrietta Pressburg (1788–1863). He was born at 664 Brückergasse in Trier, a town then part of the Kingdom of Prussia's Province of the Lower Rhine.[17] Marx was ancestrally Jewish; his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.[18] Karl's father, as a child known as Herschel, was the first in the line to receive a secular education; he became a lawyer and lived a relatively wealthy and middle-class existence, with his family owning a number of Moselle vineyards. Prior to his son's birth, and to escape the constraints of anti-semitic legislation, Herschel converted from Judaism to Lutheranism, the main Protestant denomination in Germany and Prussia at the time, taking on the German forename of Heinrich over the Yiddish Herschel.[19]

>Lenin's father, Ilya Nikolayevich Ulyanov, was from a family of serfs, although his ethnic origins remain unclear; he was possibly Russian, Chuvash, or Mordvin. Despite this lower-class background he had risen to middle-class status, studying physics and mathematics at Kazan Imperial University before teaching at the Penza Institute for the Nobility.[2] Ilya married Maria Alexandrovna Blank in the summer of 1863.[3] Hailing from a relatively prosperous background, she was the daughter of an apostate Russian Jewish physician and his German–Swedish wife, and had received a good education, learning Russian, German, English and French, and being well versed in Russian literature.[4]

Look south of the US border. It's nothing but 3rd world.
Capitalism, democracy, it's all a scam. Only those imposing it on others benefit