>"That shield doesn't belong to you. You don't deserve it! My father made that shield!"
Jesus Christ, I know this movie is supposed to show Steve and Tony to be the most flawed they have probably been in their lives but I have to say that sounds incredibly dickish and petty for Tony to say at that point despite everything that has happened.
Almost sounds like he's salty and throwing a tantrum for losing.
Tony's whole personality has been informed by his massive daddy issues
He just saw his parents die with the murder not 10 feet away, yeah he's salty.
Best part is Cap being like "Yeah? Here baby, you can keep this then."
>Almost sounds like he's salty and throwing a tantrum for losing
That's the entire point. His friends are in super jail, his gf dumped him and now his former friend/team leader is walking away from everything they've built by protecting the man who murdered his mom and dad.
>Look mom! I'm forcing it again!
kek
Iron Man should have just fucking killed both of them with the arc beam.
while spinning.
and where the fuck was black panther. that nigga didn't even bother to stop them fighting.
>implying he's wrong
This reminds me, all of the emotional weight in this movie in on fuckin Iron Man. I thought that was Cap's flick?
It was Cap's film. His decision to say no is what started the whole debacle
Technically the US Government owns the shield. Neither Tony nor Cap own it.
Also, his father made that shield with Nigga Vibranium, so I'm sure Black Panther will just whip him up a new one to show their advanced unga bunga technology.
He went after Zemo after discovering the truth. He had to put his faith in the idea that these men can pull themselves back before they crossed the edge. Zemo was gonna escape though
Why is Tony not on the hook for Ultron anyway? Literally the entire thing was his fault.
>you need to watch your back tony
>you better watch your back
>dont forget about your back tony
GEE
I WONDER WHO WILL TURN TRAITOR?
he had his mind on revenge and followed Zemo
And by escape you mean "shoot himself in the face".
>I do not believe in vengeance I'm so smug and above you because I'm Black Panther
>lol JK I want you alive so you can suffer; my vengeance is chocolate dipped in moral superiority!
that nignog snuck up on zemo but then he decided not to kill zemo anyway for some raisin
Honestly it felt more like a mini-Avengers movie like a Captain America movie. Not even sure why they called it Captain America, it was an ensemble movie.
This. What the fuck I hate how everyone just ignores the fact this faggot created Ultron and led to all this shit.
I found that point kind of silly, mostly because I thought Tony would have known about Bucky killing his parents from the leaked Hydra files or something
More like, I want you alive because your testimony can prove Bucky's innocence, and then you deserve to rot in jail for killing my father.
>sounds like he's salty and throwing a tantrum for losing.
This is his whole character. He's a selfish, impulsive, egotistical narcissist with addictive tendencies.
>Almost sounds like he's salty and throwing a tantrum for losing.
Yeah. That's what it is supposed to sound like.
It felt kind of forced how they made him turn on his friends,.
why didnt vision just destroy the jet instead of the airport tower?
It was dumb. Literally everyone in the audience knew Bucky killed his parents.
>So my parents, who I know were both secret agents, were clearly transporting some sketchy as fuck spy shit, died in a "car crash" in Siberia
>also this elite super spy, originating in Sibera, who also happens to make all of these world leaders and spies die and makes it look like an accident, has been active for years
>HMMMMMMMMM I WONDER
>NAH IT WAS AN ACCIDENT
Most people just kind of scratched their heads and looked around at each other when that scene happened.
AHHH VISION HELP
Jet is valuable.
And yet instead the gubment locks Zemo in a secret underground bunker, he says nothing, and Wakanda hides Cap and Bucky which will provoke a US invasion via PMCs in the Black Panther movie.
The Jet would've exploded, killing or injuring Black Widow. Then again she did survive being locked in a van with a live grenade. That was some A-grade bullshit.
>it's in her DNA
Really Tony?
Apparently no one in their world cares about the leaked Hydra files except for some ex Navy SEAL from Sokovia
because he thought he could stop them from reaching it instead of destroying something that valuable to the Avengers.
that or he was just thinking about Wanda. he literally says he's not in the right frame of mind.
I thought cap put it down because he really felt like he didn't deserve the shield anymore.
He obviously felt bad for covering it up, even if it wasn't _really_ bucky who killed Tony's parents.
Did anyone else want Tony to kick the shit out of Problematic Fave and kill his tumblr crackship?
I thought he was being spiteful, desu. Like he just said "fuck you, I'm done with your shit".
Probably both, honestly. In the comics, Captain America gives up the shield a few times too. Once because he felt he wasn't worthy, and another time because he felt like he really wasn't representing America because America had changed and Cap *didn't*. He was no longer a reflection of American values and ideals because they'd moved on from what he represents, so he was like "Fine. I can't stand for you if you don't want me to."
>I'm done with your shit
In that case he would have just walked away. He gave him the shield because he did feel genuine guilt for never telling Tony the truth. Him giving the shield back is the opposite of spite. Not giving him the shield would have been spiteful.
Who cares about the shield. Kang panther will make him a new one.
Didn't she use one of the mercenaries as a body shield? Probably would have dampened the blow.
Also I'm wondering if those two mercenaries in the APC whom Crossbones were fine sacrificing just to kill Black Widow were trying to keep her there, or were trying to escape. If it was the former, then that's kind of bone chilling realization and makes you question what kind of mercenaries are these who are fine being killed by their leader for the job. Almost makes me wish they were given more screentime for the story.
I thought so too.
This is a good explanation as well.
I just saw the leak. This movie was shit. Only Spider-Man was good. The last Captain America movie was 10/10, though.
>Cap will briefly become Nomad before his shield is returned to him in the next movie
We A-Team now
>tfw you will NEVER be friends with an actual kang King of a super advanced Panther society who can hook you up with cryo sleep for your murderous friends and with endless supply of Vibranium
why even continue living?
Antman was best
I wonder if there was another way to make the twist come more as a surprise, at least to those who actively follow the overall plot of the MCU.
I understand that the Russo Brothers' wanted to play with our expectations for the third act of the movie by having Steve, Bucky and Tony put their differences aside to bring in Zemo despite having their dispute in the airport, but the problem was that the "twist" was pretty easy to arrive to if you've been paying close attention since The Winter Soldier at least.
Maybe if they didn't include that newspaper article stating Howard and Maria died in a car accident for a brief moment while Zola was giving his long exposition on what Hydra has been up to, the twist's impact would've hit us more? Who knows...
I had the same thought user. Here's hoping. Maybe we'll get shit like Giant Man and Ronin, too.
Why the fuck was Ant Man even in this movie
to cross-promote. they know Ant-Man is a bankable franchise now, and sticking Ant-Man in Avengers 2.5 gets more people excited for his sequel which equals more $$$$
It's the same reason Black Panther and Spidey are here, to get people pumped for their solo outings
>Avengers 2.5
wew lad
They weren't in Siberia. Tony literally said as it started playing that it was in Westchester.
>Stark: "That shield doesn't belong to you. You don't deserve it! My father made that shield!"
Rogers: "Tony....... and his toys. Take it, asshole".
Holy fuck, y'all on Sup Forums really hate mommy and daddy, don't you?
I don't know how anyone with a soul could watch that scene and not absolutely sympathize with Tony.
Did you miss the scene with the mom?
Wanda did more bad shit than him, anyway, and not on accident.
>It's the same reason Black Panther and Spidey are here, to get people pumped for their solo outings
Who wants to go to a movie about a superhero named for a domestic terrorist group?
holy fucking shit are you people literally babies? this is what the entire movie is about!!!!!!!!!!
Why aren't people blaming Wanda for showing Tony his fear of a potential future where the Chitauri tries to invade Earth again but on a larger scale and kills the Avengers which causes him to create Ultron?
Bitch needs to be put in check with her powers
>Cap getting beat up as a kid in Captain America: "I could do this all day"
>Cap getting beat up by Stark: "I could do this all day"
I liked that attention to continuity
Actually it's the other way around; Black Panther the superhero came first.
>just saw his parents murdered and found out his best friend lied about the truth to his face for years
it was relevant, go back to your shallow qiuip DC flicks. you don't seem mentally equipped to think about anything deeper
>Almost sounds like he's salty and throwing a tantrum for losing.
Yes, motherfucker, that's the point
>inb4 next movie starts with him freeing Ant Man and shit
I love that little guy
He decided justice would be more satisfying than vengeance.
>shallow quip DC flicks
>mentally equipped to think about anything deeper
>MCU capeshit
JUST