Matthew 14:22-33New International Version (NIV)

Matthew 14:22-33New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Walks on the Water

22 Immediately Jesus made the disciples get into the boat and go on ahead of him to the other side, while he dismissed the crowd. 23 After he had dismissed them, he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. Later that night, he was there alone, 24 and the boat was already a considerable distance from land, buffeted by the waves because the wind was against it.

25 Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified.

-People are scared of him
-He's walking on frozen water
-Boat is involved

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youtube.com/watch?v=4teJPCcJSQ0
biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/borrowing-from-the-neighbors/
youtube.com/watch?v=0HUtzDRMKrc&list=PL42rZ9F2TCklQr2PKp7qhdPro-foWyuZD&index=10
msmu.edu/uploadedFiles/Content/Graduate/Graduate_Programs/Humanities/H-8-Kristen-Mystery_Religions_Final-(4).pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus_(deity)#In_Rome
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Christian_art_and_architecture
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(religious_iconography)
dictionary.com/browse/halo?s=t
io9.gizmodo.com/5810945/the-physics-of-superman
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

Yeah I saw you in the other thread, wasn't interesting then or now.

>stranded ship in ice
>aurora borealis in the background
HALF LIFE 3 FUCKING CONFIRMED

This was the very next scene after the Day of the Dead rescue, wasn't it? I love the fact that he's still oblivious to the image he's projecting,

YOU FUCKING FAGGOT COPPED MY POST FROM THE OTHER THREAD

OP IS A THIEF ON THE SAME LEVEL AS NIC PIZZOLATO BURN THIS THREAD

The boat scene at the start of the rescue montage -someone's already pointed out the parallel to the story of Jesus walking on water, but I re-read that story, and there's some details in it that I believe shed light on what's being conveyed through the imagery. Here's the story for reference:

25 Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear.

27 But Jesus immediately said to them: “Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.”

28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”

29 “Come,” he said.

Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!”

31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”

32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” Matthew 14:25-33

Another scene where Clark's oblivious to the image he's projecting. Notably, no one "goes out" to this man "walking on the water." Throughout the montage, we see him acting without hesitation until we reach the last, where he hesitates, looking down on the flood victims, at last aware of what he's becoming in their eyes. This is followed by a scene of him alone on a couch, listening to people talk about humanity's place in the new paradigm, while silently pondering his own place in it.

Beautiful.

>Northern lights
>North Star

Coincidence?

I'm getting the feeling that it might actually be more entertaining to read the Bible than watch Batman v Superman.

Would be cool if it wouldn't be physically impossible to drag something this heavy on such a surface without any grip unless you are heavier than the object itself.

Do adult people really watch this? How dumb are they? Realism isn't important for this medium but this is insulting.

That ship can't have people on it
Why is he dragging it?

What's great is how many references to other deities exist in BvS. This one alone is basically "see the sun god of your choice."

What other deities are referenced?

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So wait is Superman Jesus in the movie or are people projecting the messiah figure on to him?

Cool wallpaper, did it come with Windows 10?

It's the same scene where
"Jesus turns water into wine"

Superman is seen hovering over the redish flood waters

He anchors himself by unconsciously activating his flight while walking, or he has a limited form of contact-based telekinesis, depending on which writers you follow.

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Take a .45 to the head, Sup Forumsedditer

Judges, Kings, and Exodus are top-tier, pham

Most of the "sun god" imagery of Apollo was appropriated by the early Christian church, so to a lot of Western minds, "man in the sky with the sun behind him" is Jesus, but that's not really true. Pretty much any "solar" scene like that(MoS has a similar one) applies to pretty much any sky god or sun god.

Lex references two others in his speech - Apollo and Horus.

Yes.

BECAUSE IT LOOKS COOL BRO.
-Zach Snyder
#ZachSnyder

>is Superman Jesus in the movie or are people projecting the messiah figure on to him?
yes

Miracle #2
"Raising Lazarus from the dead"

He seemingly raised a girl from the dead in this shot. Note how he drops down and slowly rises in a sea of skulls

All I notice is him balding.

Did Jesus go bald?

My bad, I misread your question. It's people looking at him and seeing what they want to see. That goes all the way back to the church scene in MoS. The priest sees him as a representative of a higher power that can save them from the aliens, but after listening to him over the course of their short conversation, he's back to viewing him like he did at the start of the scene - as just a guy.

youtube.com/watch?v=4teJPCcJSQ0

>yfw BvS is going to be reevaluated as a masterpiece in coming years, while the MCU will be seen as merely disposable fun.

There are people perched on top of the upside of the central tower.

>to a lot of Western minds, "man in the sky with the sun behind him" is Jesus,
No one thinks that, are you retarded? Stop believing the bullshit peddled by Zeitgeist.

HOW

Mark 5:21-43New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Raises a Dead Girl and Heals a Sick Woman

21 When Jesus had again crossed over by boat to the other side of the lake, a large crowd gathered around him while he was by the lake. 22 Then one of the synagogue leaders, named Jairus, came, and when he saw Jesus, he fell at his feet. 23 He pleaded earnestly with him, “My little daughter is dying. Please come and put your hands on her so that she will be healed and live.” 24 So Jesus went with him.

A large crowd followed and pressed around him


>Jesus Raises a Dead Girl and Heals a Sick Woman
>A large crowd followed and pressed around him


That's what happened in that scene

Man, never stop posting.

>while he was by the lake.
But Superman was next to a fire
So it's a lake of fire
Mexico is actually hell

That ain't Zeitgeist. It's documented fact. A lot of the earliest depictions of Jesus were actually straight copies from Apollo. They appropriated the imagery.

Gettin /fit/ bro

>A lot of the earliest depictions of Jesus were actually straight copies from Apollo.
[citation needed]

That doesnt really answer my question...sometimes the movie wants to very obviously make the comparisons to Christ at us, the audience (like in the water after the tanker explosion, or when he does the cross pose after MoS, or Batman finding "salvation" through him, or Superman dying for the sake of humanity, or all these miracles your making comparions to) but at other points the movie wants to make him look like a man just doing the right thing who gets this messionic figure pushed onto him by the public. I feel like they tried to have their cake and eat it too

>inb4 samefag reply train

>a man just doing the right thing who gets this messionic figure pushed onto him by the public.

That's literally Jesus tho.

>are you the son of God?
>you say that I am

biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/borrowing-from-the-neighbors/

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>all images found of young beardless men are straight copies of Apollo
I like how the only visual evidence it gives is a Michelangelo painting

Forgive me if im wrong but didnt Jesus claim to be the messiah and also embrace his role to the public?

Jews, especially ultra religious ones wouldn't have made images or God or living things. You didn't really get that until Christianity became mostly Greeks and Romans. And its not like any of these Greeks or Romans lived in Judea at the time of Jesus. It doesn't really seem that shocking that they'd take images of a popular God and begin to use it for their own. Especially when you are trying to convert pagans.

What's interesting to me is how Jesus was first depicted as a beardless youth but then changed to the iconic breaded Jesus we all know.

Also, basically a similar thing happened with Buddhism, before Buddhism reached the then Greek ruled Afghanistan, there were no major depictions of the Buddha.

See

Or he doesn't do either, just walks (which we can see) and pulls the ship with his strength which is illogical but simply what we see here.

>What's interesting to me is how Jesus was first depicted as a beardless youth but then changed to the iconic breaded Jesus we all know.
All modern depictions of Jesus are based on the Pope's son Caesar Borgia.

I'm not OP, but I am

I agree that there are some instances that seem that way, but they're a lot more rare. For instance, that shot of him underwater at the tanker was literally seconds after he'd just walked through fire, crumpled a steel door in his hands, and rescued a room full of doomed men.Even if they're not in the shot, there's still a handful of people thinking of him as some kind of superhuman savior.

In the space scene with Jor-El, he's talking to what is for all intents and purposes the A.I. "ghost" of his father, a man who said at his birth "He'll be a god to them," Here's Jor-El's ghost, looking at his own flesh and blood and still seeing what he wants to see - a god-like savior for both humanity and the legacy of Krypton.

The best part to me is that in BvS, we start seeing more angelic imagery associated with him as opposed to god-like(the window in the Wayne crypt, for example). He's making headway toward being seen as an equal as opposed to an object of worship, but he's not there yet, certainly not in Bruce's mind, and certainly not by the end of the film.

All that savior imagery we get at the end can be indicative of Bruce's own deification of Clark or the world at large's. That's going to play into coming events quite heavily, I suspect.

Another interesting parallel with Bruce is Paul the Apostle - the most rabid persecutor of Christians turned to their most zealous and vocal advocate. Bruce has his "road to Damascus" moment with the "Flashforward" dream/vision. His blindness is metaphorical, representative of his obsession, and he's "cured" of that blindness on witnessing Clark's sacrifice. Now he goes out to preach the gospel, not of a god(at least I hope) but that of a hero.

There's some great symbolism, some great dialogue in this movie.

It doesn't change how convoluted the actual plot is or how fucking terrible Eisenberg is.

You didn't understand it.
We get it

At the time of Jesus the Messiah meant the anointed one, a term for the King of the Jews. It had nothing to do with dying for sins or anything. Although many Jews at the time, thought there would be a Messiah to free Israel from Rome (there was a Roman puppet royal family on the throne, that was from Arab stock)

In Luke Pilate asks Jesus if he claims to be King of the Jews, and Jesus responds with like "if you say so." Not really denying, but not really saying yes. Meaning he probably did say he was among his followers, but not something he might have said to strangers, since that would have gotten him into political trouble.

What's maybe more important is that Jesus never claimed to be the Son of Man (a prophesied figure, important in Jewish and later Christian apocalyptism). And that at the time of Jesus the term Son of God was used for the kings of Israel, as well as just really holy people.

Tell me about the nuanced genius of Eisenberg's performance stuttering about triangles and devils

Not really considering the bearded Jesus is from like the 5th century and why he basically looks the same Catholic and Orthodox depictions. Also his name was Cesare, ya faggot.

>the window in the Wayne crypt
I must have missed this, when did this scene happen?

Nigger, I didn't read that link. I learned that shit in high school.

Something further I'd like to add - we're basically seeing Superman's origin and the Kryptonian invasion viewed through the lens of a "First Contact" scenario. Two people in particular who are aware of what Clark could represent to mankind are Jonathan Kent and Perry White.

Watch this scene.
youtube.com/watch?v=0HUtzDRMKrc&list=PL42rZ9F2TCklQr2PKp7qhdPro-foWyuZD&index=10

Take note of when in the conversation Jonathan leaves to go find Clark.

Later, Perry White tells Lois that he's glad she's dropping the story, adding:

"Do you know how people would react if they knew there was someone like this out there?"

That's what we're seeing over the course of MoS and BvS - mankind's reaction to a being biologically and technologically superior to themselves. They try to make a god out of him.

Apollo was depicted nude with a laurel wreath and lyre and never with a halo
Moreover, almost every Greco-Roman god apart from Zeus/Jupiter was shown as beardless
Sorry but there's no evidence to link early Jesus depictions with any Greco-Roman deity

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Where's Superman's sword?

During Bruce's "Man-Bat" nightmare. Just before the blood starts coming out of Martha's crypt, he glances at a stained glass window of the Archangel Michael, depicted in his traditional red and blue.

I happen to believe this is Bruce's own unconscious mind warning him that the "alien threat" is actually on the side of the angels and he's allowing his own obsessions to consume him.

"For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword"

Jesus is the word
Superman is an allegory of Jesus

I thought Superman was St. Michael

This.

Better thread:

DC manchildren not welcome.

What is this autistic, pointless, retarded shit thread? Yes, even if there is a hommage, who the fuck cares?

Are you guys literally stupid?

The Romans weren't as into nude males as the Greeks. While in classical Greek art Apollo would have been nude.
Helios-Apollo would have been clothed. And also would have have a halo.
Also there is Sol Invictus, an Eastern god who also basically used the same depiction when taken up by Roman soldiers.

In the 4th and 5th century if I showed someone an image, people wouldn't have been sure if it was Helios/Apollo, Sol Invictus, or Jesus.

Go read some Prometheus and Neisztche, dumb marvelcuck

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Not even evidence being presented in scholarly papers on the subject?

msmu.edu/uploadedFiles/Content/Graduate/Graduate_Programs/Humanities/H-8-Kristen-Mystery_Religions_Final-(4).pdf

Here's Helios, a god whose attributes were largely subsumed by Apollo being depicted with a solar halo.

Note how superman was impaled by doomsday in the chest


Batman beating up superman was the similar to the flagellation

>shortly before DAWN
>JUST before DAWN
>put the dawn before the just
>DAWN of JUSTeeb

God damn, I knew Snyder was a genius, but the man is a fucking auteur.

I mean seriously, what's more logical, Jews, who had no tradition of depicting God or living figures started making statues of Jesus after he died, or Greeco-Romans decades later started doing it basically re-purposing images of a popular god.

Your thread is dead.

LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD

Now let's talk about why deification and worship are important themes in these films.

Clark is just a man. Worship does jack shit for him. Someone's coming who might stand to gain from it, though.

>Clark is just a man
This is exactly why this is important. He's NOT a fucking God but everyone think he is.

Most Greek statues survive as Roman copies
Apollo is a Greek god appropriated by the Romans
Helios is depicted nude more than clothed
Sol Invictus is not an Eastern God

You are just making shit up at this point. Stop it.

>a student paper written in MS Word
That's just sad.

STOP, MEMEINNG SON

Deny it all you want. I knew about this shit before Zeitgeist was even a thing. Want me to find more information?

Graduate student. That's another level of education post-uni for the unamerican

>Jesus broke bread
>Superman broke necks
It's like poetry

>It's time you leaned what it means to be a man

>If god is all powerful, he can't be all good, if god is all good, he can't be all powerful

Superman became the "all good" god by sacrificing himself and showing the world that he's not all powerful.

Dying showed him mortality. He truly knows what it means to be a man

>I knew about this shit before Zeitgeist was even a thing.
So you believed in garbage before you saw a movie? What's your point?

>Graduate student.
>in humanities
Am I supposed to be impressed? At least find better sources if you're getting this desperate.

Please do tell me what I believe in since you're so sure.

Sol Invictus was Elagabalus a Syrian god and may have come from Babylon, in the Roman context, it was considered Eastern.

Hey, maybe after you graduate the 11th grade we can have a cool conversation. In the mean time:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus_(deity)#In_Rome
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios

But he comes back after, no man will ever have that power

You believe in conspiracy theories peddled by New Age idiots

Sol Invictus was the epithet of Roman solar deities
If you're talking about gods from other cultures that were absorbed by Greeks and Romans we can go on and on about them, not to mention the fact that the whole Proto-Indo-European pantheon also arguably came from the East

>You believe in conspiracy theories peddled by New Age idiots

Nope! I just know and understand history. Not a big fan of conspiracy theorists.

There's a big difference between saying that iconography of other, more culturally familiar deities was absorbed into Christianity and saying that Jesus didn't exist. My family puts up a Christmas tree every year. It doesn't make me a heretic saying I understand its pagan roots and connotations.

Sort of, but what I'm obviously talking about is the god Sol Invictus which had his own cult in the 3rd century.
Also I'm talking about shit in the Common Era, not 6000 years ago. I mean if you want to keep stretching it out, we could say all Gods are from the ocean since that's were we came from.

>iconography of other, more culturally familiar deities was absorbed into Christianity
Sure but there's no hard evidence linking depictions of Jesus to Apollo
Beardless faces does not make one a sun god

The problem is that Elagabalus was not a solar deity before he was fused with the native Sol Invictus, in fact was worshiped as a mountain god. It was only a cult figure (some say a meteorite) that the emperor transported from his home town to his newly built cult temple at Rome and christened it Sol Invictus.

I think you missed the part where we said the iconography is representative of people looking at him and seeing what they want to see. Some see a man, some see a man trying to be a hero, some see an angel, some see a god.

Can he be a green bagel?

shut the fuck up, post Faora

Jesus Christ, this so much. I feel ashamed even browsing Sup Forums again.

The baldness and obesity this thread radiates is revolting.

If you'd like, I suppose. Why don't you go track him down and see.

Who - Jesus, St. Michael, Apollo, Horus, Yaweh, Superman, Brando or the bagel?

Hi! Watch me respond to you with absolutely no malice whatsoever.

Elagabalus probably became a Sun god because of the baetylus (meteorite) stone that was worshiped in his temple. The rock came from the sky so it has that link, but also
>Herodian writes of that stone:
>This stone is worshipped as though it were sent from heaven; on it there are some small projecting pieces and markings that are pointed out, which the people would like to believe are a rough picture of the sun, because this is how they see them

>Superman has brown hair
>Jesus has brown hair

woah

>Sure but there's no hard evidence linking depictions of Jesus to Apollo
>Beardless faces does not make one a sun god

What about halos? Those didn't become prominent in Christian iconography until about the 4th century, long about the same time Christianity rose within the Roman empire.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Christian_art_and_architecture

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(religious_iconography)

dictionary.com/browse/halo?s=t

The etymology of the word "halo" even traces back to the Greek word "halos" - "disk of the sun or moon, ring of light around the sun or moon" which closely ties this most recognizable representation of divinity to the brightest two lights in the sky.

Leaving aside Apollo for the moment, remind me again of what it is exactly that we're arguing? That "man in sky with the sun behind him" is synonymous with Jesus?

io9.gizmodo.com/5810945/the-physics-of-superman

>Superman doesn't actually have super strength. Take a look at the comics. He stops planes by holding on to the nose cone. This means the entire weight of a falling plane is balanced on a section of metal approximately the size of a human being's hands. That's like trying to stop a person toppling over by putting a knife, blade up, in front of their chest. It won't end well. It's not strength that's keeping that plane aloft.

It's negative mass. Negative mass is a so-far hypothetical state of matter in which all the properties of a particle are the same, except their reaction to certain forces. A push on negative mass would cause it to go flying in the opposite direction. Superman must have the ability to temporarily turn parts of his own body, and objects touching it, to negative mass. If a plane is crashing, he would take hold of the nose cone – and create a web of negative mass throughout the plane. The force of the plane would push on this web of negative mass, causing it to resist, and slow the descent of the plane, all without breaking the plane into pieces. Superman could create these negative mass nets within himself, too, to provide internal structure of the proper strength – so he doesn't fall to pieces either.

This also explains why Superman's strength seems to increase and decrease depending on the power level of the foe he is fighting. Negative mass can only resist force that's applied to it. Final evidence for Superman's powers of negative mass control is the fact that a clone made with half his DNA, Superboy, has telekinetic control over the movement of any object he touches. It's clear that Superboy was able to refine Superman's abilities.

>Homer describes a more-than-natural light around the heads of heroes in battle.[2] Depictions of Perseus in the act of slaying Medusa, with lines radiating from his head, appear on a white-ground toiletry box in the Louvre and on a slightly later red-figured vase in the style of Polygnotos, ca. 450-30 BC, in the Metropolitan Museum of Art.[3] On painted wares from south Italy radiant lines or simple haloes appear on a range of mythic figures: Lyssa, a personification of madness; a sphinx; a sea demon; and Thetis, the sea-nymph who was mother to Achilles.[4] The Colossus of Rhodes was a statue of the sun-god Helios and had his usual radiate crown (copied for the Statue of Liberty). Hellenistic rulers are often shown wearing radiate crowns that seem clearly to imitate this effect.
Your own article says halos are not associated solely with solar deities. Try again.