BvS was a great and underrated movie, the general audience just doesn't understand the more adult themes.
BvS took risks, tried to be more grown up and it backfired, but I think people will be able to appreciate it for it's art in a few decades or when the DCEU starts to unfolds.
I think the DC will redeem a lot of it. Still, the conversations between them could've been less "poetic" and a little more literal, but not Zod's snapped neck literal
t. Zack Snyder
Your career is over the moment JL filming ends.
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Suicide Squad will be coming soon, and it will beat all marvel movies in the boxoffice save for Avengers.
BvS took risks and the themes were fine. What wasn't fine was the cinematography, the pacing, the incoherent writing, the shitty acting and the sloppy editing.
I must say all Marvel films have this too but the difference is the themes. Marvel are literally childrens films.
>SS will gross a billion
I doubt it, I think it will be pretty good, but I doubt it will gross a billion
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>adult themes
>Snyders bro philosophy constantly being vomited everywhere
>a deep misunderstanding of all characters presented
>"YOU'RE KILLING MARTHA"
>Implying JL won't be a success when they have a few films to set it up
BvS was just overly ambitious
Snyder is not perfect, but he is pretty good.
i bet people seriously say this kind of thing hoping they'll be proven wrong so they have something to shitpost about later
There was literally no problem with the cinematography, and acting.
Writing, the dialogue was Patrician. The story beats and editing harmed because WB cut out 30 minutes
Directors Cut will be a revelation
>he's willing to give him a THIRD chance
The cinematography was film student-tier and the lack of subtlety was as if Snyder was treating it's audience like retards.
If they are retards, they are not going to give a fuck about the visuals anyway, you fucking hack.
tbhh i actually hoped the movie went farther with it's imagery and presentation
also funny how people say it's incoherent considering the extent to which the movie holds your hand
>when the DCEU starts to unfolds.
>starts
Dude, the DCEU's ending is Justice League.
Snyder's universe is basically DC's TASM.
modern audiences have lost the ability to engage WITH a movie and follow its story while understanding the context presented within the film.
Its the reason so many of the hugely successful movies are simple af and literally all follow the exact same formula
Jup, it's why we don't see movies like Citizen Kane anymore.
And why a MCU movie rehash with the same formulaic plot every 6 months does soo well, and when smb tries smth new, it gets shut down.
But BvS is the Citizen Kane of the 21st century.
>BvS took risks, tried to be more grown up and it backfired, but I think people will be able to appreciate it for it's art in a few decades or when the DCEU starts to unfolds.
You sound more retarded than Prequeltards.
DESU there is too much Snyder hate, he was forced too overbloat his movie.
If he had his way and executed his vision. The movie would have been a record breaker.
BvS makes Emmerich's shitty upcoming ID4 sequel look like the Citizen Kane of the 21st Century.
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>tries something new
>BvS was something new
This.
It's obvious no human in the planet could ever understand Snyder's glorious vision.
As such, the filth, scum and plebs alike will have to put up with more pathetic, rotten, cancerous Marvel trash.
Enjoy your future in here.
IMHO Snyder has a pretty good movie record, he was just screwed over with this project.
>let's make another BvS circle jerk thread and ignore critical reception and spout the same "it took risks" and "audiences are too shallow" meme
Wew lad
Jesus fuck you DCucks are so hilariously delusional.
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>sucker punch
BvS>>>Civil War
Snyder>>>Russo
The movie is metaphoric, it takes many repeated viewing to truly understand.
It has the Il nome della rosa syndrome, a book that went unappreciated for a long time because it took repeated readings to truly understand.
Sucker Punch was a treatise on the objectification of women through nerd subcultures. The prism by which the movie is shown self reflects to the viewer their own ugliness.
It's a movie that literally hates it's own audience and spits on them
If that isn't true kino, I don't fucking know what is.
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It's kinda sad, when a good movie with complex themes is not appreciated for it's true complexity
You would have to staple me to a chair to watch that pile of dog shit again.
>the movie is metaphoric
Yeah, most films are. It's not The Thin Red Line, the metaphors a were extremely blatant and repeatedly slammed down your throat by snyders bro sermons. If you didn't get it the first go round then I feel bad for you.
MCUcks can't handle the trips
I agree, what Snyder did is an interesting way to tell a story an a telling statement of our culture, however what it is not. Is a good way to score higly on Rotten tomatoes or make money.
>DCucks are still mostly in the "denial" stage of grief, with some that have moved onto "anger"
Anti-intellectual cunts, you peel away the first layer then just give up.
Sometimes it takes effort to understand art.
was this necessary?
Only angry people are all the marvel drones evans posting all day long
That shot is film-school tier, jesus christ.
>Only angry people are all the marvel drones evans posting all day long
No I'm pretty sure it's the BvS fans trying to pretend that their pile of dogshit is "deep"
And this is what we call projection.
Marvel cunts know that the marvel empire is cracking under the pressure of formulaic plots and generic themes.
DC has had a minor setback with BvS, but in terms of story telling and the sheer wealth of the DC universe in comparison to Marvel.
DC has more longevity.
Don't project your insecurity for backing the wrong horse
>The fantasy scenes were just an interpretation of a girl dancing
>the majority of the movie, comprised of said fantasy scenes, was just white noise action- a Snyder specialty.
You can analyze any movie like you jus did, that doesn't make it kino.
>Spider-Man 3 was not a terrible film, it was Ramni's own self projection into the form of black suit peter, it was meant to represent what he felt the movies had turned his life into, powerful but overall overwhelming and eventually paralyzingly sad. Sandman and Venom represented the studio heads fighting for control over his vision, his power. This made him have to rely more on his own inner strength more to fight off the demons. If that isn't true kino I don't know what is.
No wonder when Marvel and Disney have conditioned their movie goers not to take a second look at their movies intellectually that complex films are dying.
Snyder should just start dumbing down his movies a notch and they'll do fine in the box office.
Said analysis is backed up the writer/director/creator of the film.
But keep memeing all you want that Snyder doesn't know what he is doing. The truth is he is literally one of the few people out there injecting creative themes, motifs and ideas into the big budget filmmaking.
Pretend this is a shitpost all you want, it wont change that it's the truth.
And I'd say you're trying to pretend it's not, but to each his own.
Linking this previous discussion just for anyone who's not a troll.
>And I'd say you're trying to pretend it's not, but to each his own.
Pretentiousness isn't actual depth user
>Anti-intellectual cunt
>is venomously defending a movie so badly panned that it has deeply wounded the studio.
If it was just a lack of understanding than why are actually artful and intellectually deep films like Malick's or Polanski's or Lynch so deeply attacked by critics? Or is it because BVS was a blotted corpse of a freshmen college students intro to philosophy in film courses wet dream?
>And this is what we call projection.
>proceeds to project a bunch of shit
>Spider-Man 3 was not a terrible film, it was Ramni's own self projection into the form of black suit peter, it was meant to represent what he felt the movies had turned his life into, powerful but overall overwhelming and eventually paralyzingly sad. Sandman and Venom represented the studio heads fighting for control over his vision, his power. This made him have to rely more on his own inner strength more to fight off the demons. If that isn't true kino I don't know what is.
OMG, that's genius. Where did you read that analysis?
The kinematographer we didn`t ask for, but the one we deserve.
>it won't change that it's the truth
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I liked BvS. I will always take a flawed but ambitious movie over a safe by the numbers one. BvS was a bit of a mess but it also had some really great things. It just really needed a bit more focus on what it was trying to achieve.
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>It was backed up by the actor/director/producer
Just because you are too intellectually impaired to understand doesn't mean it's bs.
Critics are literally starting to turn against Malick
rottentomatoes.com
rottentomatoes.com
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>it backfired
The cinematography was fine and acting was great. What are you on about?
You may not like this version of Lex, but eisenberg acted the version they were going for very well.
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Holy Motor's took risks. BvS was plugging movies that didn't exist yet. Sadly, DC was trying to be marvel. That was the Risk. DC isn't Marvel.
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I literally wouldn't be surprised if the average manchild MCUck has a 20 point IQ lower than median.
who's this guy? Why was he in the film?
Fine, any 1000 other artistic directors with a sense or artistic integrity. Hell even Nolan managed to blend art with comic book films perfectly in The Dark Knight
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How so?
He's the guy who can speak to fish.
Nolan blended modern audience pandering to false pop philosophy. he literally spells out every single idea and theme of his film through his talking head actors, each one acting like anything but a real human being.
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who's this guy? why is he in the film?
It is redeeming itself right now. And it'll do so even more when everyone is finally able to see the big picture when Justice League comes out.
Chris Terrio talks about all of this here.
blogs.wsj.com
>oops
right, how does this tie into anything in the film?
People can't handle the fact that a true auteur is handling their beloved comicbook characters.
At the very least DC doesn't make as crap movies as Marvel.
It doesn't. He's just the guy who can talk to fish who joins the Justice League. He sucks.
You just described the problems with BvS. It could have been a RT review.
>Snyder blended modern audience pandering to false pop philosophy. he literally spells out every single idea and theme of his film through his talking head actors, each one acting like anything but a real human being.
>Taking a Batman film too seriously
Except BvS ideas and themes are spoken through visuals, allusions, allegories and overall character arcs.
What makes it pretentious?
>Zachary Snyder and his mechanical wings. He is Icarus too in some way.
Top lol mate.
You're really making yourself look like a heartless, cunt, so, I don't know. Congratulations, I guess?
I'd say putting fucking.aquaman in the most expensive film is a massive risk
Marvel movies are literally just
>Punch, Punch, Punch
It's are though. I mean, if you don't have the message in the median then you're not saying the message. You can show a movie of the next 2 hours of your life and anyone could infer ANY message into it, even symbolism of christ vs devil.
I really, really like Sucker Punch. Anyone else?
Such a misunderstood film.
Love how cleverly it converts psychological trauma into a theatrical fantasy extravaganza; its own nakedness makes people feel very shameful and uncomfortable.
ya, won't they look dumb if that doesn't pan out. At least Marvel does what DC WANTS to do, from trial and error, most people will forget how shitty the first few MCU movies were. how many hulks have we had?
I'm not a DCuck that murders people just trying to watch a movie.
Yeah. That's the genre, it's not drama based movie. They're action comics it's based off of, it's not a young adult novel series. You're team bella aren't you?
GENRES muther fucker, DO YOU KNOW THEM? Compared to Seagal movies in the same genre, they're good movies.
Unless you're comparing it too the crime noir movies of Nolan's batman?
What is interesting about people sitting at a table literally reciting the theme of the movie to each other? Because that is how Chris Nolan tells his stories.
Film is a visual medium, why shouldn't the ideas and themes that the creators want to convey NOT be conveyed through images?
Right and Nolan's trilogy, The Dark Knight especially, was a fun romp through childish themes not told through spectacle and backed up by a revolving psychological dilemma.
Right man, honestly if you liked it more power to you, you didn't feel like you wasted your time and money where I did. In the end you have something to enjoy and that's cool, but BvS will go down in bat nipples tier, it will not age like wine, it's already aged like the yogurt it is. This is me signing off friend, enjoy JL, I can't wait to see you deffending it's mediocrity here in a few years.
>Nolan
>art
What are you smoking? His movies are extremely literal, almost utilitarian. There's nothing "artistic" or "visionary" about them except maybe interstellar. That's not even a criticism, it works perfectly fine in films like the prestige, but let's not kid ourselves dude.
Like a top spinning on a table?
Or a polaroid of a man covered in blood?
No, you're just the one who makes a joke out of it.
How I aspire to the heady heights of moral superiority you have attained.