A non-nuclear war breaks out between these two sides. Who wins?

A non-nuclear war breaks out between these two sides. Who wins?

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Germans and Italians get btfo in Europe. Middle East is overrun by combined Turkish-Iraqi and Egyptian forces. Stalemate in India because of Himalayas. Islands like New Zealand, Australia and Japan are also safe or could only be conquered by coastal landings. Mexico gets btfo by amerisharts. Chileans might survive because of Andes.

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I'd just be glad we're with china because that's clearly the winning side.

I didn't think Argentines and Chileans liked each other because of muh patagonia

that's not precisely why we hate each other.

Why would it be non nuclear?

>russia alliance with germany
emm no offence usa but this time I would rather stay with germany

But we won in the end last time though :^)

Everybody else.

why brazil is still orange? you piece of shit

Mutually assured destruction.

It's better to just have a conventional war instead of turning the planet into an uninhabitable wasteland.

>Middle East is overrun by combined Turkish-Iraqi and Egyptian forces.
arabs are shit at war, Israel could take them

Why would germany and Italy be on the same side as Russia? Makes no sense at all.

>Pole isn't aware that the German military program is neutered and shit

Putin is sleeping with Merkel.

blue, purely because italy is involved

>Italy on team orange
we lose

Because the USA is horrified by China in every way possible.

That is what would happen in real life if shit would hit the fun 3.

We have to side with Chang Chong overlords.

The death toll from an all out India vs. China war would be legendary

here's how this shakes out:

>UK/France/Spain keep Germany and Russia in check and may actually pull out a victory outright on their own
>India and Japan hold China
>Australia/NZ easily win ASEAN and Oceania
>US/Canada sweep the Western Hemisphere in fantastic speed with only a road bump in Brazil
>turn their attention to China and Russia who are depleted at this point and clean house

I get a boner even thinking of the United States reverting back into a war time production economy

Why are we involved in this shit, we literally don't give a fuck about world affairs. Leave us alone

>turk
>arab

tfw

chang chong make me sick they are so ugly

I doubt Italy would be on the Orange team desu. They have a lot of defense companies whos biggest customers are on the blue team.

Sharts can't into geopolitics.

>implying USA could actually lose a war in the current year

>ireland on orange team
oh god my dick

UK/FRA/SPA/Port holding off Ger/Rus and winning? Russia is the second most powerful country behind us and has an unimaginable number of tanks.

Not sure the poos and japs could take China either

orange for sure

UK and france teaming up could hold back the russians, with help from the baltics and polan we could probably push them back

UK and France could destroy germany before the russians reach them

>an unimaginable number of tanks
Oh my god how terrifying, whatever will do do?

Yes. but we have no choice. I'm sorry

how did that go last time

Russians have a piss poor navy, this is crucial

Germany is worthless, people don't realize this, haven't been involved in conflict since WW2 and were deliberately stripped of their power

I don't buy the China meme. They've always had manpower, but are notoriously shit at war and fighting a cohesive battle. Japs have tech and Indians have manpower, they would handle it until the USA could be freed up to focus on that theater.

The Russia/China meme is overstated and peddled by western media for a good story and/or to keep us a little afraid but they are paper tigers in the end. Not to mention the fact that the US could supply all of her allies with the best technology and would literally control all oceans and supply lines. China/Russia would be forced to fight a land battle only and wtf are they going to accomplish in that regard.

Blue's full of sjws and pussies. Americunts would give a good fight but lose eventually since they are now out of comfort zone, and also they never won a war before.

>this meme again

Desert Storm, the invasion of Afghanistan, and Iraq, were actually sweeping military successes. Rapid, total destruction and leadership of Iraq/Afghanistan vanquished in weeks.

The memes you hear about were literally just partisan insurgencies after the fact. Rats hiding in the hills and planting IEDs =/= the continuation of actual war, anymore than Yugoslavian or French partisans cutting German supply lines and bombing their HQ's after being conquered handily prior amounts to anything other than petty resistance to occupation.

Our media loved to pretend like the war wasn't over but that was merely a matter of making sure people stayed nervous and tuning in.

Another fact lost in this is power projection. These conflicts were literally on the other side of the planet. We can send combined arms to any point on Earth in hours and keep them supplied. Totally unmatched by anyone else. War is strategy, not just raw "toughness", you may be able to hold out longer but you will not win if the object is total and utter decimation of your enemy.

>NZ is on the same side as Israel and Saudi

Delet this

but I don't want to fight the Netherlands :(

ITT noone with military knowledge or at least a /k/fag.

>Please keep going.

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>Who wins?
The Jews

>North America
Orange gets steamrolled. However, for the few weeks it would take to invade Mexico, the US would have fewer ressources to spend elsewhere.

>South America
Chile gets steamrolled, however it hardly matters either way because none of the countries have the ability to really influence the war in the rest of the world. But they would be a difficult nut to crack, even if you leave it until the very end.

>Western Europe
Orange gets obliterated, but again it would take away some of their ressources for a while.

>Eastern Europe
Orange wins relatively quickly, but it would be difficult to maintain its grip as soon as blue starts pressuring from the west.

>Middle East
Orange wins, but Israel and Saudi Arabia still put up quite a fight.

>Africa
South Africa doesn't really have much influence, but I guess they could provide a little extra manpower to team blue.

>Asia
Orange wins in India, but I don't think they could win in both India and Japan, so blue at least maintains a foothold there.

>Oceania
Blue obliterates orange and almost immediatly starts assisting Japan.

Once things clear up a bit, blue would win overall simply because they're the side with the only three real blue-water navies (USA, UK and France). Or at the very least, it's pretty much impossible for them to lose, but maybe it would just end in a stalemate.

>Middle East

I give Saudi Arabia and Israel a decent chance actually. Israel is crazy strong for their size thanks to natural military culture and technology and Saudis have mad cash and resources to spend. That would probably be the most interesting theater, funny part is this conflict isn't so far from reality.

Depends on what the Russians are fighting for.
If they are being invaded then they will thwomp Europe, but if they are the ones invading eastern Europe I bet the blue countries there could hold off long enough for Western Europe to finish their business.

Yeah but unlike previous wars, this time the Israelis would have to deal with Turkey rather than useless and incompetent Ayyrabs. Maybe you're right though, but it seems like either way it wouldn't be easy for either side.

The team with the USA would win. There's a lot of things in the US that can be made fun of and memed, but the military is no laughing matter.

>1st largest air power is the US Air Force, 2nd is the US Navy
>~10 aircraft carriers, each with their own enormous escort fleet
>most advanced military tech in the world, the only countries that could rival our tech can't field it in the same numbers
>over 15 years of combat experience in the Middle East
>civilian population is heavily armed, many are experienced shooters from hunting, and are generally borderline paranoid against enemies (e.g. "Freedom steaks" for burgers during WWI; internment camps in WWII; widespread support for waterboarding modern terrorists)

The fat Americans are just meatshields (fatshields?)

Why should they fear Turkey anymore than Egypt. Turkey hasn't been militarily relevant for 2 centuries and the Ottomans were getting meme'd by British expeditionary forces.

Israel's air force is so juiced at this point I almost want to see what they look like with no leash.

Forget the idea of the USA needing to fight a defensive war, the entire layout of this automatically makes this a defensive war for Russia and China

it would be more fair to put the UK/France on Russia's side and Germany on America's as they are the only two with power projection to speak of outside of us

>America, France and Britain on the same side
Those are the only three blue Water Navies. Whatever Orange can do is restricted to land, because Blue dominates the seas utterly. There's a reason why Russia insists on buying French ships and not vice versa. With that established.

>American theater
American curbstomp. Mexico is probably downright invadd, with Brazil and Argentina falling victim to convenient coups.

>Ireland
A joke, UK can handle this.

>Netherlands, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Italy
With Britain's access to land secured and France's southern border safe, an agressive approach means these Orange powers are knocked out of the game pretty quickly.

>Middle East
Israel and Saudi arabia, the only two powers in the region with anything resembling modern armies, are on the same side. They also have loadsa oil. They'll be fine.

>Australasia
A modern, first world army vs a backwards country. Gee, I wonder.

The only places where Orange stands even the slightest chance are
>Eastern Europe (Russia vs Poland et al)
>Asia (China vs India)
Whether or not Orange can win in these regions relies on how quickly America, France and Britain can clean things up on their side of the board and intervene abroad. With their naval dominance that shouldn't take too long, unless there's a brilliantly excecuted Chinese-Russia lightning offensive.

>Israel's air force is so juiced at this point I almost want to see what they look like with no leash.
we're talking world war here
not some meme war in the middle east no one gives a shit about
all orange should have Russian air defense systems by default

>A joke, UK can handle this.

800 years later they still havent taken us down, while you surrendered in 10 days during WW2

>Six Days War
>Meme War
It was Israel vs most of its neighbors (if not all). It ended after six days because of how thorough the Israeli asswhooping was.

meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

Furthermore Arab culture is the greatest weakness of most Islamic powers bar perhaps Iran. It's a culture that's incompatible with modern warfare.

>800 years later they still havent taken us down
remind us all which language you're speaking right now?

An all out war would be a bit different m8. Your airforce doesn't even have jets.

Brazil, pls come back ;_;

>Meme war

Lad, Israel has been chomping at the bit and preparing for a total war with her neighbors and if they could get anyone, even Saudi Arabia, on board with it to help them out resource-wise it would be on. This isn't a meme, it's about preparation, training, technology, and strategy, Israel wins in all of those. With the Saudis and USA funding their assault they would steamroll everyone.

Turkey is large but they are not very well organized or effective. Modern tech and combined arms have rendered the sheer manpower advantage a thing of the past. You need to be optimized in all facets of warfare to be successful and a lot of the orange guys are merely size babbies.

>Six Days War
a skirmish at best

>800 years later they still havent taken us down
What do you mean by "taken us down"?
In terms of conquest, they ruled you for the biggest part of your documented history.
In terms of culture, you're just Catholic Englishmen.
In terms of genocide, you still haven't recovered from the potato famine (which involved more than a little English sabotaging at worst and indifference at best).

>M-Muh independence war
So you're bragging about winning an independence war against a major European power after it was utterly exhausted in a world war and they themselves decided the land was no longer worth holding. This is literally, LITERALLY, on the same level as Algerian nationalists mocking the French as cowards while at the same time getting French welfare money.

>B-But we don't get English welfare money
Yes you do, along with French, German and Italian welfare money. It's the EU that dragged you out of the swamp of your own incompetence, and as soon as that system buckled you joined the ranks of the lowest of the low: the PIIGS.

>B-But we're recovering
So is Italy, and unlike Ireland it managed to remain a net contributor to the EU throughout its crisis.

Cant we get a simulator for this? It would save a lot of threads

you're basing your assumptions on iraq war i think

>You're basing your assumptions off of the most immediate and relevant war

Well, it wouldn't really be fallacious even if it were true. What are you basing it off of? Because nothing in the past 100 years would indicate any of these Muslim countries could do much in the face of a modernized, heavily trained military.

Especially now that Turkey is going full retard in reverting back to Islamization

A political/warfare simulator would be great desu. Plug in modern x-factors such as technological differences and military sizes/combat experience and then let it run.

It would just turn into a "my parameters are more accurate than yours" argument.

I've been looking for one for a while. Never found it

>Romania neutral

Fuck that were in.

We're siding with the krauts again, yolo

>It would save a lot of threads
No it wouldn't. Even a lot of political/military power rankings made by respectable institutions get a lot of flack for what they base their rankings on. To name just one example, Monocle Magazine in 2012 ranked Britain over America in terms of Soft Power because Britain hosted the olympics and a Briton had won the Tour de France, and ranked France about 6th because Hollande looks silly.

A simulation would be even worse, because it would rely on so many inputs that could be thoroughly questioned, and would probably ignore a lot of input that could be of quite great importance (terrain for example). A lot of it also depends on political mindset: run a WW2 simulation that starts in 1939 with entirely historically accurate and 100% factual inputs, and the Allies win by a fucking curbstomp come 1940 if the AI assumes Britain dedicates more than a token force to the war effort and Britain and France actually concert a well planned and agressive attack while Germany is still fighting in Poland. We both know this didn't happen, and we both know it's because of political and historical circumstances no simulation could predict or account for.

we neutralplz

>Well, it wouldn't really be fallacious even if it were true.
it would actually iraq had 70s technology at best
(ban on arms export to iraq from 1980 to 2003)
not to mention impoverished and demoralized due to economic sanctions
and not to mention all the middle east airding usa
checkout 2006 hizbollah skirmish
modern atgm's and sam's can have a high toll on combined arms if not stop it entirely

>and not to mention all the middle east airding usa

Mostly just Israel, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia

same team as listed

Iran is useless because sanctions

Turkey is in disarray

>Lol we have tanks
>Lol we have rockets on planes to kill tanks
>Lol we have AAs to kill planes
>Lol we have infantry to kill AAs
>Lol we have tanks to kill infantry
war has changed..

>russia and the US on opposite sides

oh at 2003 even iran aided usa in intelligence (or so one of their generals claimed in an interview )
also we're talking a global alliance with Russia in it, not real world geopolitics
so everyone has that sexy russian s-400

it would ultimately just turn into NATO vs. russia and china

Us probably.

All but 3 nuclear powers are on blue's side, obviously it would win.

>Holland in charge of reading.

delet.

As always, America. Gotta slap those uppity krauts back into submission again for the third time in a hundred years; maybe this time they'll stay down.

Only correct answer

>roleplaying as countries

There's literally no reason why many of those countries would oppose each other or form alliances.

Of course we will win, because you can only fight against the medieval countries, but nothing good will come of this, we will remain poor trash, while others again will go a long way for quality of life.

>USA
>Britain
>France

not even a contest

If we could put the Saudis to the orange side and bring the Germans to the blue side it would be a war between good and evil.

At least we can take Argentina with us

you know shit

Our military is a defensive force but with enough projection power to take down the argies, but we are fucked against brasil
We don't hate argies but don't like them either

>Chile gets steamrolled
Kek. We literally exist as a country because nobody can sustain a conflict with us for long. The Incas failed and the spaniards couldn't even begin a fight. Our geography turns any attempt to invade us into a fucking nightmare

if there truly is an all out war which would never happen because most of the countries would immediately surrender to keep their economies afloat I don't think you can you can go on experience, when given the choice between life or death many people will be capable of a lot more they thought they were

Also this map makes no sense

Conventional warfare no longer matters and Russia has enough nukes to blow up the entire Earth.

good choice, even if you end loosing

>Meme meme meme meme

last time Germany wasn't the pusified state it is today but the second strongest nation on earth

We win

i don't like my allies

>Anglo
>shilling for Jew
why am i even surprised

lol yah why the fuck are you on the other team? like does Ireland just theoretically hate England enough to say "fuck it lets side with the Ruskies"?