GOT sucks lately

GOT sucks lately.
This seems legit right Sup Forums?

given that there is no precedence for what to do when your lord commander returns from the dead, and the about 20 men left in the nights watch are all jons friends, i think jon could do whatever the fuck he wanted

Fucking hell, I know this is the GoT audience and all, but people need to pay attention to what they're watching. The same fucking episode where Jon gets resurrected, the wildlings storm the castle at take over. Since they respect Jon and "think [he's] some kind of God", it doesn't matter if he acts as Lord Commander.

his watch didnt end. he was still lord commander and he passed punishment

and then he broke his oath and quit

the episode titled was OATHBREAKER

>"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."

He was the LC when he died, and nobody was elected a new one. So he was technically still the LC.

And the wording is "shall not end until my death". So he definitely can't leave the NW before he dies. But what does "shall not" mean? Does it mean he is allowed to terminate his contract post-mortem?

His oath is until his death.

> (OP)
>his watch didnt end. he was still lord commander and he passed punishment
>and then he broke his oath and quit
> the episode titled was OATHBREAKER
This

They were guilty of murdering the Lord Commander regardless. He was the Lord Commander when they killed him, thus they deserved to be executed.

More importantly why is NOBODY in Kings Landing give two fucks that A) Your Warden of the North married his Heir to someone who you think killed your King/Brother/Son and B) It was orchestrated by Petyr Baelish who also is in control of the Riverlands and Vale. But you know the High Sparrow is such a pain in the ass they just don't notice.

I doubt they even know. They don't have Varys around and Qyburn just got his little birds. In any case, it's irrelevant to the what the North does for the time being.

Because whatever logic there was driving the world ended once they ran out of book material.

GOT has sucked since season 4.

>Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death.
his oath had already ended

Who cares if it was or wasn't in his power, he fucking did it like any man should to fuckers who murder you.

I think everyone was so in awe that Jon Snow could have done anything and everyone would be like "damn.."

Putting things into boxes, especially in a gray universesuch as GoT, is what Reddit is all about.

ever think that jon was just super pissed off about being killed and didn't give a flying fuck about the rules?

his squad had his back. thats all the authority he needed.

"grey" is not just another word for 'anything goes'

Woah dude you are like the first ever person to ever see that connection.

The point is that it's not black and white or good vs evil, but idiots still try to force it to be. People like in OP's pic somehow miss the point that all the laws, rules, traditions, and precedents are just shit people twist to suit their needs and desires. Like with the claim to the Iron Throne, it's not about a bunch of lawyers sitting down and proving who deserves it based on the laws, it's about people using rhetoric to twist the wording of the laws to convince enough people they're right so they have a big enough army to kill anyone who disagrees.

>twist the wording of the laws

exactly, twist the laws not just throw them out and do whatever you want. It's like what happened in the small council, cersei tried to just sit in just cause and they told her no. We enjoy seeing how people play the 'game of thrones' not just flip the table over and go home.

it jumped the shark after season 1

With enough people backing you, you CAN just do whatever you want. The wildlings took over Castle Black along with Jon's friends. They helped him come back to life, and they helped him round up the traitors who murdered him. No one disagreed when he wanted to execute his murderers, and no one stopped him when he left.

That's the thing about laws: They only matter when they're enforced.

Habeas corpus, the body of evidence. The men sentenced to be blue filtered on the gallows stand accused of Murdering their Lord Commander.

Yet the one accusing them of Murder, is the Murder Victim. Now you may say that these men are traitors, but is that not what drove these men to mutiny? The treacherous acts of Jon Snow? He is the true traitor!

*Gasps*

How is it murder if the victim himself is avenging is death? also, his oath ended when he died. what oath was he exactly breaking?

he should've taken his friends in NW and his wildlings to go wage wars and left olly and group at castle black.

>normie reddit faggots are starting to despise daenerys


it clearly took a huge fucking drop

That's why it's broken.

Wow, people really are dense aren't they?

Fuck that nigger, I was the first to point this out and now that cunt is getting normie credit

people are asking mostly due to technicality that his oath is only till death so if he does and comes back he is free of his oath.
about time. what is their main grievance?

>I actually paid some attention to a show I watched and noticed a flaw
>I totally should have gone into law lol I'm so smart!

You know they literally have an entire scene where Cersei authorizes CIA to invade the North in her name using an army from the Vale right?

cause he fucking wanted revenge.

this guy has a point.Murder is not Murder if its not final, if you "kill" a guy by making him clinically dead for 6 minutes its not going to count as murder once he comes back. also why do people keep forgetting that the watch is made from rapists and murders?

>murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
they killed him and they planned it. they broke the law and they got punished accordingly

he aint dead so its attempted murder.

Who's going to argue with the resurrected Starkargyen that just executed all of his enemies and was no longer threatening to hurt the Watch?

I've never seen this level of autistic nitpickery over a show. It's like the hopaboards showfags saw what how bookfags nitpicked the first few seasons and are now desperately tryharding to join the party.

Seriously, the fucking fanbase has gotten so much more retarded the last 2 seasons as all the latefags jumped on right when the books started to get weird.

nah dawg, if someone was dead for 6 days and got magically revived, they would still be murderers, you're just sperging out over "law" but theres no precedent set for someone coming back to life after being dead for a few days, so if it actually happened, i guarantee they would still be murderes as they did still kill someone, he just came back with magic

Is this guy retarded or what?

1. He was the Lord Commander at the time of execution, there is no if's.

2. Why the fuck couldn't he leave? The episode is called Oathbreaker for a reason.

Your friend is retarded, literally a sub-90 IQ idiot.

no you just extend the normal law.let say you stab a guy, they take him to a hospital,he is doa but they get him back with some new procedure. its not murder the same way it would not be murder if he had been killed in a car accident on his way to the hospital

>Why the fuck couldn't he leave?
so he stopped being a honorfag?

"All nights to come" implies the intent for an eternal service. If the service could be terminated upon death then they would not have used that language

Its also important to note that the Night's Watch is more than 1000 years old. It was established when magic was still a very real thing. Its likely they had considered resurrection at the time.

"It shall not end until my death." does not mean the same thing as "it shall end upon my death"

attempted murder?

>It shall not end until my death.

tautology, nigga

"all nights to come" is express
"shall not end until" only creates an implication

express always trumps implied when it comes to contracts

Bingo. How is this so hard to understand?

you should completely ignore anything going on in the north or the vale, or including Baelish in General.

In the Show he is an admitted traitor who makes bullshit arrangements.

In the Book he is the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands, Regent of the Vale, and nobody even considers the factthat he might have taken sansa, since he left days before the wedding.

In the latest chapters, Cersei considers calling Petyr back as Master of Coin, and Jaime thinks Petyr would make a good Hand of the King.

Petyr got away with EVERYTHING in the books. While in the Show he's a bumbling retard who has some whores.

>tautology
Kek. Were you trying to refer to torts? Because a tautology is a statement that is always true.

>GOT sucks lately
Lol GOT is better than it was all last season. They are actually bringing the show back from the dead. Steps to doing this:

>actually humanize the relationship between tommen and the priest to make up for how shitty the introduction of the priest was
>Speed through the boring arya training
>No more dorne

If they speed through Deanerys getting cucked then this season will be excellent

sometimes the spirit of the thing is more important than the wording. also
>I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.
he got a new life and honor is not tangible

And he broke it. Duh.

did he not win glory by defending the wall or raising to commander?
he can't break that which has expired

>"I am the sword in the darkness"
hyperbole does not count

>Because a tautology is a statement that is always true.
a linguistic tautology, not a logical one

the assumption against tautology states that if different language is used, it implies a different intention

did he get a new honor too?

Why didn't Jon behead them like he did with Janos Slynt?

depends on which kind of honor they mean,internal or external? regardless I could say that yes he did get new honor since his old honor would have compelled him to stay

are you baiting? he was murdered and later resurrected. it's attempted murder if they failed. but they didn't, they killed him and the resurrection came later.

either way it doesn't matter they still broke the rules by killing the lord commander so the punishment is the same

Technically speaking his watch has ended after he died.
>it shall not end until my death
He's free from his vows thanks to R'hllor legal loopholes

hanging is a more elongated and painful death plus for the show it would be kind of awkward to line up several men and behead them all one by one

>the traitors thought they're going to be beheaded after they saw Janos Slynt
>"Edd, fetch me the ropes"

Better question is would anyone in Westeros actually believe Lord Commander of Night Watch died and got ressurected, therefore he is free from his oath?

one of them is a kid and I don't think jon has mental or physical power to swing a big sword that many times.

>he should've taken his friends in NW

No. This is the reason why they killed him in the book

A better question would be why the fuck do you think that matters when he has an army of wildlings to protect him?

bumpu

This is correct sticky this post

If people obeyed laws in Westeros Ned Stark would still be alive since nobody would have betrayed him for his investigation into the Lannisters.

Might makes right in this savageness and Jon is finally going by the real rules of the land.

The laws don't matter. What matters is how big your army is

The point being made is that his death freed him from his vows and when he woke he was no longer lord commander. He can kill the mutineers out of vengeance but cannot do so under his authority as Lord Commander.

This was an act of vengeance.

no you pair of mongoloids, it's not broken, it's FULFILLED

an oath until death is fulfilled by your death. As jon leaves he says "my watch is ended" which is what they night's watch say over a dead member, signifying the fulfillment of his oath.

>implying that those men weren't guilty of murder of their lord commander.

if anytthing someone else should've passed the sentence. Not Jon.

>murder of their lord commander
He's alive though.