Literally the "I fucking love science" of film

Literally the "I fucking love science" of film

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why the fuck does everything I like get shit on here

It's pretty good.

Because Sup Forums is comprised of angsty contrarians. Look, they'll argue with me on this too!

No, i wont

What has he edited beside youtube videos?

Nah. You're right.

>this is stupid
>>LOL CONTRARIAN
It's stupid.

Digging Deeper is the thinking man's EFAP

It's okay. I like it too.

I actually took him up on his dare to unsubscribe from him when he publicly endorsed Feminist Frequency.

I normally don't do things like that, but he reviews media. If he's endorsing one of the objectively worst people in the world of media-reviews, i.e. Jack Thompson 2.0, it reflects poorly on HIS ability to analyze media to the point where I don't want to bother trusting his opinions.

Great analysis.

so brave

Hate is just the way some people love.

Post yfw Refn blew this shit the fuck out in his one Q&A.

Where and how?

Tell us more

One of his OGF panels, somebody asked him about the EFAP that talked about the four quadrants of Drive and he said it was absolute bullshit and he wasn't thinking about any of that at all while making the film.

Because you have terrible taste.

Of course you can always just rebut with the timeless classic 'but that's just like, your opinion, man'.

But it doesn't change the fact that you have terrible taste.

>implying it matters what the director intended
That's the whole point of art is that everyone interprets it in their own as it applies to themselves or the world around them. That sounds stupid if he was saying there was only one objective way to interpret his films.

>muh authorial intent

/lit/baby get the fuck out.

>That's the whole point of art is that everyone interprets it in their own
Not when it's presented as undeniable fact. That whole video is "watch what the director does here as he guides our eye from here to there" "watch how the director tells multiple stories in the same frame". It's not interpretation as much as it is a glimpse behind the curtain and for that video at least, it was completely off base.

>publicly endorsed Feminist Frequency
say it ain't so

You are unironically saying that a director managed to do something without being aware. This is your argument. EFAP wasn't wrong, the shit's there. All this means is the director is a hack who lucked into decent filmography. This does not damn who you think it damns.

No it isn't. The whole point of his videos is to study and interpret the technical decisions of films. These are videos that invite discussion, not just end all be all facts. You have no idea how film theory and discussion works if you think he's doing some definitive explanation of movies he had no part in making.

Literally "Here's obvious things about movies you'd notice if you aren't retarded in 7 minutes" the channel

>director is a hack who lucked into decent filmography
or directing could be a partly instinctual process

>"I fucking love science" of film
Interstellar

Literally "I passed my Intro to Film class" the channel

Le introspective avant-garde philosopher of moving-imagery.

I tip top me fedora to this genius of filmography. *tips fedora respectfully towards you*

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but that doesn't even necessarily mean he's wrong. Ask a football player if they thought through what they were doing on the pitch and they might just say it felt right, and there's a reason that was the case, even if they didn't consciously think it at the time

How's film school going?

The thing is most general audiences never think about things like editing, shot composition, how action is filmed, etc.

Its not a series intended for people well versed in hard core visual analysis and theory, it's pretty entry level. That's fine though, its not just shitty boring criticism and crying about plot holes, it's trying to at least be informative.

You're essentially saying I'm wrong for pointing out the fact that the director of the movie said that he didn't intend to do the shit Tony was talking about. What am I wrong about? I'm not saying the EFAP video isn't worth watching or doesn't hold any weight, I'm saying that it's an interpretation and not a definitive truth as its presented in the video.

That video in particular isn't presented as a discussion as much as it is a lesson.

Why can't these assholes separate their personal beliefs from their work?

I think I'm going to unsub. He had a couple good videos but it's gotten to the point that it's silly

i don't know, why can't you?

>it's pretty entry level
Yeah, no. "Education" youtube channels are shit. His latest video was literally
>Editing is...

The day little user realized he had shit taste.

>why the fuck does everything I like get shit on here
There's a safe space you can go to instead

I will never understand the point of those awful tumblr gifs.

Now You See It is much better anyway.

I have no experience in film theory and analysis, so let me understand this clearly. Even if my analysis of a film is a. complete bullshit and b. isn't even remotely what the creator of the film intended, that's all a-okay because my bullshit was insightful bullshit and I opened up a discussion so other psuedointellectuals can discuss my bullshit too?

This is like if I wrote a false dissertation on the theory of relativity trying to deny it and my fallacies were praised rather than dismissed. But then again I'm comparing an academic discipline that is a strictly a science to one that barely qualifies as academia.

You get it.

>academia is bullshit
yeah no shit

no you fucking idiot that's not right, you're literally too fucking stupid to grasp even the most basic entry level art criticism theory. Congratulations.

Different user. Nah, what you described is modern relativism. "Every opinion is equally right!"-tier shit.

On the other hand, if your insight checks-out and there is solid proof, author's intent doesn't necessarily disprove it. Work of art can be analysed beyond its author.

Nothing is perfect, everything has faults. Sup Forums is good at finding them.

>One person made one thread about not liking something I like!!!
Just downvote it :^)

Well user there is the whole "Death of the author" thing, and if that's what you took away from a movie, who am I to say you're wrong?

That being said, there has been study of visual art for hundreds of years, and for film about a century. Its a foundation built on itself. Older artists and techniques influence newer ones and inform one another.

At the end of the day it's literally a case of "Art, not science," but if you're going to pull some batshit theory out of your ass you need something to back it up. Look at any BvS thread where people are pulling out paintings and other religious iconography and using that to interpret the shots in the film. If you frame something that's like Da Vinci's last supper, thats a pretty obvious visual metaphor, and you can then use that as an angle to interpret the scene, and then how the scene fits into the movie, how it affects the theme, narrative, etc.

>Wants to be taken seriously as a film-analyst

>Endorses a blatantly biased SJW yellow-journalist that has as valid an opinion on videogames as Jack Thompson

What a great way to shoot yourself in the foot.

I was quite shocked there desu senpai.

>reddi boogeyman shitposting

I don't think you understand the concept of boogeyman, memster.

Good point sir

He hasn't done shit worth noting. He doesn't know shit. He just autismally points out details in films, but fails to explain why they are or not good.

It's meaningless fluff for braindead redditors.

He's YouTube level, sure, but Reddit is too harsh.

Christ. I checked it out just to see how bad it is. youtube.com/watch?v=CKuT0sBWtAM

>this is a public announcement
No shit dude. It's on fucking twitter

>being a retard
Learn what authorial intent is and then rewatch his quadrant video

>literally complains about character being privileged white male
eyyy

It's popular so it triggers the failed filmmakers on here because they have no audience and they wasted thousands on a useless degree. Should have gone to movies instead of film school!

>replying to it
I guess the real monster is man.

>*footage of john wayne walking out in to the wilderness*
>"this clip represents john wayne returning to the wilderness"
NYSI is pretty bad. Channel Criswell is superior.

Who /collativelearning/ here?

>wanting to learn
get out fuckin nerds B^J

He's an editor, its all about the feeling, he aint gonna explain shit.

i lasted 3 minutes
i could not go on past the point where complains the black woman was an antagonist
AND THATS RACIST
and what is wrong with his voice, is he transitioning to a woman?

was there something wrong with his examples from star wars and in the mood for love? i feel like he explained it well enough

Didn't he get into an argument with McIntosh over Mad Max though?

List a channel that is more kino but doing the same kind of content

Now you see it doesn't count and chriswell has already been mentioned

you can't break these dubs

>How do you know when to cut?
>You just do
>How do you learn?
>Edit more

JUST BEE YOURSELF

EFAP doesn't really have any substance and you don't really gain any insight on a topic after watching his videos.

Honestly prefer this guy. His Video Editing is a lot better also.

This guy over analyzes shit.

Editing is not some misty zen art based on feel.

Editing is piecing a puzzle together so that the whole is coherent and understandable. Much like editing a novel.

This guy is a faggot, it really annoys me.

Just checked out this channel, amazing channel, loved the tarkovsky video. Thanks

his Her video is fantastic

This guy is not insightful or substantive at all, he just drones on about nothing in every video while trying to sound artful. He's Nerdwriter tier.

by all means, post someone who does analysis who provides meaningful interpretation

Yourself.

thanks bb

What a coincidence, I just watched a few of this guy's videos. I think that, for the most part, he could've done a much MUCH better job to explain why the cinematography he inspects works. Sometimes he does it decently enough, but most of the time it doesn't seem like he cared much to explain it further.

No matter what you like, there is guaranteed to be someone on Sup Forums who absolutely hates it.

I call it user's Law.

Oh fuck off, this is how people study and talk about art and artists. You aren't very smart are you?

>substantive

it's a fucking youtube channel. This isn't Harold Bloom giving a full fucking lecture of the western canon or some shit.

I'm not saying I know anyone who does, just that that guy does not.

He's a teacher for entry-level film students. Give him a break.

At least he's educated, unlike the "I fucking love science" facebook page.

if you have no basis for comparison, why should we take your opinion into consideration?

"if you wanna be a genius, just say everything stinks, then you're never wrong"

I like the cut of your jib. You are very right!

>this is how people study and talk about art and artists
Maybe first year students. Like the Tarkovsky video, it's just "Tarkovsky is so unique, he uses cinematography" with 15 minutes of "this is serious art" music in the background. He never goes into much detail, and most of what he says is general and pretty obvious. It's not insightful or useful, it's just empty and fucking masturbatory.

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gj wp

Because you can never be wrong by hating something. Liking something is an invitation to get made fun of.

So you think every film analyst should only lecture on precise, elevated matters? That any entry level course us automatically pleb?

As long as he doesn't constantly endorse and reflect FemFreq views in his videos, I honestly don't give two shits about his Twitter or anything else.

You're like the assholes on /ck/ that ridicule Alton Brown for not being a 3 star award winning chef when he's teaching you how to make home food like guacamole. Shit, I don't want to make a 5 course meal sometimes.

once again, unless you show what you believe IS substantial analysis, we have no reason to listen to you. You're just calling things bad.

m8 I'm talking about Channel Criswell, not EFAP.

EFAP may not be super elevated but at least he breaks down specific elements of the filmmaking process in an interesting way. It can be legitimately educational and I enjoy his videos. Channel Criswell on the other hand just seems like a fanboy with nothing particularly useful to contribute.

Just marathoned his Her video. Excelent analysis.

It's putting a science behind something that comes natural to some people.

God this thread is fucking miserable

EFAP is entry level sure, but that's the point. He explains cinematography in a way that regular audiences can understand and build upon by themselves. Look at his Memories of Murder video, it clearly explains the impact the cinematography had on the story that many people would simply never pick up on

You'd think Sup Forums was full of avant-garde kino directors. The reality is, the same contrarians that are shitting on EFAP etc. in here will happily post in every fucking capeshit thread going