Wants to keep the Avengers and other heroes accountable by putting them on a list because they're too destructive

>wants to keep the Avengers and other heroes accountable by putting them on a list because they're too destructive
>Literally causes much of Harlem to be destroyed by the Abomination when he injects Blomsky with the serum

Hypocrite much?

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>making heroes accountable for the collateral damage they cause will make them more cautious
>this will hinder their ability to fight enemies who have zero care for collateral damage

The end justifies the means.

>Literally causes much of Harlem to be destroyed by the Abomination when he injects Blomsky with the serum
Injecting Blonsky with the serum just gave him Captain America powers. He didn't become the Abomination until he went rogue and had Sterns do his thing.

Also, the movie version isn't a registration act - There's no watchlist. The Accords just say you're not allowed to be a vigilante unless you follow X rules.

>He doesn't realize Ross is a hero and a patriot who saved Harlem

Why didn't Vision just disintegrate him there

Because he was "distracted" by SW's breasts.

>authoritarians
>caring about the little guy
this is why super heroes exist m8

#teamcap

Justice League had a similar debate with the CADMUS arc and the Justice Lords.

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If nothing else, the Avengers should sign the accords just a a gesture of good faith, to show that they don't intend on trampling over the world's governments whenever they feel like it.

>Team Cap
>Not authoritarians

>"I know what's best and I should be allowed to make unilateral decisions regarding the well-being of the planet. If you try to stop me, me and my friends will beat you up with our superpowers."

Cap was about choosing, he saw Hydra take over Shield and figured they could do it to the UN. He was thinking about until Tony mentioned Scarlet Witch being kept indoors. He even mentioned signed if there were Stipulations.

>If you try to stop me, me and my friends will beat you up with our superpowers."
did you even watch the movie?

That pretty much sounds like the other side too, you know.

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WASHINGTON

Was this guy actually in the Incredible Hulk? I don't see why they don't just take it out of the canon because it's so jarring and out of place, not to mention completely forgettable and with no real impact on the rest of the series. The most we got was a mention of the Abomination in a fucking spin-off short film that was included in one of the films DVDs.

Ding ding ding. Jessica Jones explored that whole conundrum between supers and non supers better with a throw away line from Nuke. Until everybody can give themselves power they're ultimately at the mercy of supers and living under the shadow of their will regardless of the form it takes.

Then shouldn't the general public just be grateful that the Avengers are good guys and stop blaming them for shit out of their control?

Yes, William Hurt reprises his role in CA:CW.

>he only watched 1 Hulk movie

The thing is, signing a piece of paper saying you promise not to murder literally everyone with your superpowers isn't actually going to stop you from literally murdering everyone with your superpowers, unless it's some kind of literal magic contract.

Any kind of registration/watchlist act isn't going to actually do much, and the Avenger's enemies aren't going to be equally restricting themselves.

I think in the real world, most people would be that way.

Problem is is that this sort of trope is used to manufacture conflict.

I could understand if it was ISIS and they had the powers, but this group of people have proven time and again that they have the best intentions for humanity.

Yeah, collateral damage and all, but most people could understand that.

That's the mentality of a slave. You can probably see why people would be uncomfortable with that situation.

>The thing is, signing a piece of paper saying you promise not to murder literally everyone with your superpowers isn't actually going to stop you from literally murdering everyone with your superpowers, unless it's some kind of literal magic contract.


Exactly. Sokovia, Manhattan, and Washington still would and could have happened even under the accords.

The accords are so useless that Tony just had to sneak away to hunt down Cap and Bucky. And they never stopped T'Challa either.

the justifcation in the comics was a huge explosion, caused by teenage super hero copycats, that killed like 300 school children.

in the movie they use the collateral demage caused by people saving lives. it's pretty weak.

> "well it had to be done"
> "Are you okay?"
> "I'm great"

Jesus and people complain about Snyder

It is easy to be grateful when you aren't affected by the destruction.
That's just how humans are. They only care when it directly affects them.

I just want to know why a former general of the United States Air Force would want to hand over America's greatest weapon to the United Nations. It's fucking absurd. When's the last time you've heard a general say, "Hey, let's hand over our nuclear weapons to every other country in the world!" He even compares them to nukes. Bad, bad, bad writing, just to incorporate Wakanda in the plot.

The movie should have had more focus on the fact that Iron Man made Ultron. At first I thought everyone from Sokovia was blaming him for their kids dying because of collateral damage and his failure to save them but then I realized that everyone Ultron killed was on him since he built Ultron on purpose. It's weird that Wanda throwing a bomb away from one group of people accidentally into another is a huge deal but Iron Man gets to be the reasonable responsible guy even though he built the Ultron robot that threatened to destroy the planet.

You're completely right, but I think the geopolitics of a world with superpowered aliens would be so different from our own that it's hard to say what would or would not be realistic.

Yeah, I realize that, which is why the whole thing doesn't work quite as well in the movie, but I guess licensing gets in the way.

Why won't they let us forget the Incredible Hulk movie ?

Calling it "bad writing" is a bit harsh, no? It's an oversight, yes, but if there's one that I think everyone can agree on, it's that Civil War has some of the best writing in the MCU, especially considering how many characters it has to balance.

It's not a terrible movie, but it's nowhere near the level of anything the MCU has done in the past 6 or 7 years.

The government can't act unilaterally and has explicit limits on where their authority ends.

Yeah, in an ideal world.

Taking over the UN means taking over the governments of every major superpower. If HYDRA could do that, they've already won.

The Avengers are like, 6 people. Infiltrating and replacing them would be a cakewalk in comparison. For all the public knows, the Avengers are already secretly HYDRA or worse.

That's why the Avengers signing it is more of a PR thing. A gesture of good faith to reassure the public that they aren't overlords.

They wouldn't need to infiltrate the entire UN. Just enough to plant seeds. Combine that with false-flags, terrorism and all that shit.

You'll end up with a US-style situation. Where fear directs the public opinion and who they vote for. Trump's entire rhetoric is based on fear of something and some vauge notion of greatness.

Well shit then let's just ignore all laws forever because they might be HYDRA.

How come he looked older in the Hulk movie?

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Sokovia Accords are the equivalent of wanting more Gun Control, it won't change anything and it's being pushed based on emotion rather than reason. Avengers do more good than bad, just like how guns save more lives than take.

It was like, 2008, Harlem needed a good shake