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At some point you need not just input but input with conscious thought about things like "What are they saying here, what is the pattern here, why is this pattern good here" if you want to improve your production quickly. That's where writing helps - it forces you to think about those things. There's also value in being told certain things are incorrect - sure, if you see the correct thing enough times you'll learn how to say the correct thing, but being told the incorrect thing is wrong once will make sure you never say it incorrectly that way again.
That said the most efficient thing is still to just do pure input until you are at the point where the input isn't difficult for you anymore, just because that's something you have to do anyway and it helps your production a lot. But intensively thinking about how things are said and what the best way to say something is is definitely better for production than purely extensive reading of easy manga or VNs is.
Juan Powell
>requires a thorough understanding of the mechanics at play. It requires a thorough understanding to produce correct language, but it does not improve that understanding. And, since you made so many mistakes, I don't really think you can really talk about having an understandings of the mechanics at play, because by making a mistake you are showing that you don't have such an understanding in the first place. It doesn't take any Japanese knowledge to write wrong Japanese. If you don't ask for constant corrections, then all the writing you do will be moot, because you'll make mistakes and not recognize them. The sole benefit is getting yourself more used to speaking - but that's speed, not actually improving your understanding. Then all the things you listed are things you learned because other people correct you. So I'm really thinking you didn't read my post properly because posting like that really makes it seem like you've missed my point. You did NOT learn through writing where your gaps were. You learned through people CORRECTING your writing. The distinction is different, because it means you can only learn through writing through corrections, meaning that in order to learn significantly from writing, you'll need constant corrections on everything you write. I did not mean to imply that input should be passive and thoughtless. There is value in being told things are wrong, but it's a problem to consider relying on others to correct you as the best option and one to focus on which is why I made all these posts in the first place - he specifically said he needs to write more, not read more.
Mason Roberts
I've not formally learnt JP before, so take muh advices with grain of ...
>初めまして、 マットと申します。 not sure if -tomoushimasu- being too formal.
>NOVAで生物学を専攻している大学二年生です。 or you can also use 生物学専門のNOVA大学二年生です
>言語学は大好きから、日本語の文法に惹かれました。 I've no idea how to express interest. maybe try 興味津津 or 興味を持つ様になった
>I've not formally learnt JP before, so take muh advices with grain of ... Learn English before giving advice Singapoor.
Isaac Jackson
有難う御座いました、伯剌西爾君!
Xavier Jones
どういたしまして、当て字くん
Jacob Barnes
English teacher please correct that and show me, sir.
Cooper Hernandez
マット君は本物ね Redditの写しと思ったのに
Kayden Price
Mr. English Teacher Sir, would you please be so gracious as to correct that cur's erroneous language such that I might learn and grow from your boundless wisdom and his pitiful failure?
Jackson Powell
>I do consume the language Watching anime does not count
You know who you are, excuse the phonepost
Nolan Price
of course anime counts
Andrew Foster
Do you take notes of specific sentences, analyse the grammar and make a list of words that are used that you didn't know?
If not, you are not learning anything meaningful by watching anime
Christian James
I think the retards in these threads who advise against anime are generally thinking only of moeblobs and Pokemon, where characters are flat and talk weirdly, like those shitty 4kidz dubs.
If you've watched more than 3 animes in your life you can easily separate what is and what is not "natural" speech. No one in their right minds will try to speak like Naruto, but taking notes from, say, someone from Shirobako could be useful.
Jason Richardson
>he needs to do all this shit to learn from compelling content
Henry Stewart
I think it's really hard to learn anything from anime because you can't always make out what they're saying. So even if you want to look up a word you don't know, you may not even be hearing it right.
It can be good for listening practice, but otherwise I think reading is more useful.
Alexander Nelson
I like the tactical use of the word "meaningful" there. Very thoughtful. So well placed, it almost looks like you aren't conceding anything at all
Angel Price
キサマ!どういうわけか?! だってばよ!
Luis Bailey
わぁぁい、わぁぁい、お兄ちゃんのおしゃべり方とってもとってもかっこいなの!
Dylan Kelly
What is the point of learning something that isn't meaningful?
Jordan Rodriguez
How do i say interacial relationship or racemixing in japanese?
Gavin Barnes
Reesumikushingu
Wyatt White
>Do you take notes of specific sentences, analyse the gramma
I don't do that when I watch or read anything because i'm not a fag.
See >because you can't always make out what they're saying. This is what we call projection. You can also use Japanese subs. >always I'd also be careful with this. You don't need to understand 100% to learn a lot.
Ryder Bailey
退廃泥血化物夫婦。
Jeremiah Perry
hahaha no. Im using this. Hope its right
Christopher Thompson
I wish all Americans spoke like this
Jeremiah Garcia
Where is a good place for Japanese subs?
Jeremiah Hall
the op
Leo Gray
I sugget you look up 異種姦
Isaiah Bailey
Is there a site that teaches the pronunciation of kana? I can't seem to pronounce ぎゃ or キャ / きょ きゅ property.
Justin Nelson
What is your daisukina anime?
Aaron Ross
thank you based nihonjin bro
William Reed
Just listen to any Japanese speaking, like an anime or some show and pronounce it like they do.
Alexander Morris
触手 and 植物 are chill but orcs are shit
Andrew Wilson
Any other advice besides this one? When I try to say it into google voice it always comes out ナキア。
Bentley Rivera
Can/does 「action/verbても知りませんよ」have the meaning of "Don't you even care about action/verb?"
James Jones
Don't blame me if you (get hurt, fuck up, get scolded, etc)
Wyatt Cox
I won't take responsibility if shit happens by action/verb
Kevin Walker
>if shit happens by action/verb this is wrong
Dominic Lee
I tried improving that myself but gave up.
Jordan Parker
Is this still popular?
Justin White
i sure fucking hope not
Anthony Bailey
Haven't really seen any on pictures on the internet atleast so I hope not
Nolan Parker
nope
David Rodriguez
恐ろしい
Grayson Johnson
You don't.
Gyaru is a dying sub-culture. You can still see a few at major cities like Ikebukuro and Shinjuku. Most gyaru don't go full Ganguro anymore though.
Jayden Gonzalez
>Gyaru is a dying sub-culture Considering it basically means "normie slut who cares about fashion" I'm pretty sure it isn't dying any time soon
>Most gyaru don't go full Ganguro anymore though. this is true though
Landon Morales
days of fewer than 300 anki reps a day are in reach
Camden Jenkins
Time to add 10 new words per day
Adrian Stewart
No, it's not.
Ryder Phillips
Katakana #6
Today we will cover マ・ma, ミ・mi, ム・mu, メ・me, モ・mo and ヤ・ya, ユ・yu, ヨ・yo.
マ is derived from 末・すえ・マツ・バツ・tip/end. It is an ideogram of a 木・き・tree with an extra 一 line on top to indicate the top of the tree. 末 is ideographically the opposite of 本・もと・origin, which shows the root of the tree with an extra 一 line. A good word to remember 末 and by extension マ is 週末・シュウマツ・weekend, マ looks kinda like a wineglass, so on the 週末 you finally get to drink alcohol マ.
ミ is derived from 三つ・みつ・サン・three. This one is straightforward, just remember みつ or three, ミ.
ム is derived from 牟・ボウ・ム・moo (cow sound). It shows a bent arm ム around the neck of a 牛・ギュウ・うし・cow, basically saying this is my ム private cow that I caught. The ム kinda looks like cow horns and cows go ムー.
メ is derived from 女・おんな・ジョ・woman. There is another Japanese kanji 雌・メ・メス which describes femininity in animals, however is an archaic term for woman/wife. You can think of the メ as a 女 woman crossing her legs, looking at you with disgust saying 'メー not interested in you' after you tried to look up her skirt on the train. You are a bad person.
モ is derived from 毛・け・モウ・fur/hair/feather/down. Best way to remember this one is to think of a モ brush combing through モ・mo-hair, a silk like fabric made from the coat of an angora goat.
Cont'd.
Jordan King
Why not give us a lecture on ギャル語? I'm curious to see if a person who knows all this ancient Chinese etymology is up-to-date on more modern changes in language.
Lincoln Sanchez
>I'm curious to see if a person who knows all this ancient Chinese etymology is up-to-date on more modern changes in language. Everything he posts is basically ripped straight from wiki. Every time the tripfag has gone off script he has made a cock of himself. Here, I'll save you the wait: ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ギャル語
Landon Morales
Learn the word ご主人 for meaning "My husband." Put it into Google translate, it comes out as "My master."
So based. I hope the feminist merchants never learn Japanese.
Robert Richardson
In Japan a married man is either a slave or a cockroach. Don't let the linguistics fool you.
Charles Kelly
It's not a term that gets used. Ditto for 家内.
Ryan Stewart
okusan is funny too though
ofukuro as well
Nathaniel Nguyen
ぷかぷかってどう?
Aiden Ortiz
Unfortunately, I never had an opportunity to delve into modern sub-culture Languages. I'm sure there is someone here though that would be able to tell you about it.
Pretty much. It's not fool proof though. Sometimes you run into Hanzi or Kanji that don't have an entry. That's when I need to dig up my reference books.
Internet is pretty great though.
Xavier Baker
So this is where you people were.
I have been busy and recently read the rumor that DJT was moved to Sup Forums and supposedly to /jp/ but the I stumble with this thread back in Sup Forums, mind tl;dr a guy with what happened?
Evan Cooper
OK Guys
it's time to purchase REemmbering hte Kanji and Nakama 1
what do i do? do i buy the physical copy, or a digital one?
Gabriel Johnson
Just don't.
There are much better ways to learn Kanji.
Austin Ramirez
Like what?
>inb4 kanji damage meme
Oliver Cooper
You got fucking Jisho.org, download Anki, Japanesepod101, there are 1000 other free resources online. You don't need to blow $60 on a book of memes.
I even do free lessons every day on this thread.
Liam Garcia
pedophiles wanted their safespace
jp is for them
Jaxson Scott
Oh damn anons I completely burned out, I avoided anything Japanese for a few days and didn't do my reps nor read for a week.
I could use one of these fancy motivation pics right now, there are 900reps waiting for me.
Hunter Taylor
>jp is for them Speak for yourself, normalfag.
Jordan Turner
LearnJapanesePod101.com is pretty good. i just checked it out
but its better than hiesig? I dunno...
Ryan Adams
Get the Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course from the CoR and the Anki deck.
Aaron Turner
Anyone have that image of Germanball learning Japanese to read ものべの? It has a big eraser that says "for big mistakes".
>LearnJapanesePod101.com is pretty good. i just checked it out The website or the rip from the CoR? If you like the website, check out the rip to save yourself fucking around to get to the lessons: mega.nz/#F!HhQQVJRY!XGJ6-lTZ-qiaxrkFRqIexg
>but its better than hiesig? I dunno... Give RTK a go for a few weeks and see if you like it. Kanji learning is one of those things you really have to experience yourself to see what works better for you. There is this RTK deck in the CoR, with the book: mega.nz/#F!O94lVTAC!UL3Vw9YBe2rFEUc-nQrPWg
Benjamin Nguyen
is this rip just the free materials?
Jeremiah Allen
No. It's what you can grab when signing up for the free period for new members they used to do. During that period you had access to everything so someone ripped everything.
Jace Sanchez
ヤ is derived from 也・なり・ヤ・to be. The etymology of 也 is uncertain, the earliest record Shuowen (Chinese Etymology dictionary) from the 2nd century Han Dynasty explains that it is supposed to be a pictograph of female genitalia. Other explanations are its a mouth with a tongue (to represent a modal particle), or even a simplification of an older Hanzi, used before it. The explanation I find the most plausible is an ancient funnel, as it is used in other kanji like 地・チ・earth. The only example I can find using the older ヤ reading is 空也餅・くうやもち・rice mochi with red bean paste.
ユ is derived from 由・よし・ユ・reason. Shows an 口 enclosure with a 十 cross, sticking up over to the top. Similar to 田, 由 shows a field with a cross shaped object, possibly a scarecrow or other object to scare away scavengers. 由 has come to mean purpose in many other kanji. One poetic word that makes me remember this kanji is 自由・ジユウ・freedom, which shows the 自・ジ・twinkle in the eye (oneself) and 由 raison d'être (reason to be). Finding a reason to be yourself will give you true freedom.
ヨ is derived from 與・あたえる・ヨ・participate in. It is made up of 臼 a millstone, 廾 two hands and a 牙tooth/tusks. The ideogram here shows working heavy machinery (like a millstone) and showing your teeth. 舁 means to carry a heavy burden. This 與 kanji is no longer used in Japanese. When I think of working hard, I think of two men pounding mochi going ヨ、ヨ、ヨ. Or you can just imagine the ヨ to look like a toothy smile of an otaku going ヨー after finding a rare manga at the bookstore.
That's all for today. Tune in tomorrow for another lesson.
Noah Miller
>fancy motivation pics Here's a wallpaper for you
Carter Brooks
ちょっといってくる 自殺で
Daniel Young
What the hell is that?
Andrew Howard
やめろーーーー!
Grayson Moore
Some more pics
Asher Harris
Pulled from Fukushima.
しかたねえ
Benjamin Carter
And some more...
Parker Thomas
切腹の作法を教えてあげよう
Kamen Rider
Tyler Sullivan
I was thinking of translating 拙者よりも強いでござる as "Thou art stronger than I". Is my use of "thou art" excessive (is でござる not as archaic-feeling as "thou art"), or does it fit the tone?
Oliver Reed
拙者よりも強いでござる is words in the Edo period. 拙者よりも強いでござる=私よりつよいです you are stronger than me.
でござる=です
Josiah Nguyen
How do you say that two people had met?
Is XとYは会った correct?
Carson White
XとYとは出会った
Brayden Foster
Something about the usage of "art" throws me off. From my limited understand, the "t" in "art" is actually a verbal modifier, such as in "thou hast" and "thou shalt" and so I don't think it really works in this context, as I think "stronger" itself has to be modified in some manner as used with "thou". Maybe something like >In thy strength thou wast[art] stronger than I Would be more grammatically fitting. The above is something I found from text, not something I made up. How it stacks up against 拙者よりも強いでござる is more of a matter of opinion, as the languages aren't really related enough to have an easy comparison of "archaic", like languages like English, German, etc. are.
