Enjoy! Then you can join the discussion about the debate about how the content is political mostly or how confucian scholars read too much into it.
Jonathan Walker
I don't think a translation qualifies me to join the discussion. But I think I will enjoy it regardless,since the translation is the fruit of tireless work done by the best hungarian poets of the 20th century
Ian Cook
How come the best Hungarian poets of those days could read classical Chinese?
Eli Long
>inb4 butthurt horse face
Kevin Brooks
什麼鬼?
Jordan Wright
how hard is it to learn mandarin?
i heard that you only need ~3500 characters to memorize to understand almost everything.
is memorizing the characters hard?
Austin Cruz
It is hard at first but gets easier as you learn more and see the patterns/recognise the components.
Nathaniel Campbell
They can't. It's sorta related but there was a hungarian book called "This is how YOU write" It's a collection of parodies about (then) current literature (around 1910) It has a small section on chinese poetry. It goes somewhat like this: "the chinese poem is incredibly successful in the West.Which is strange since poetry isn't successful at all today. But the chinese poem is different. Newspapers don't turn chinese poems down.Everybody likes chinese poems. People say that the essence of thousands of years hase been compresses into these. Despite this the chinese poem is as fresh as if the Tang emperor retired just last year." "But how do you translate one? The modern gentlemen doesn't speak chinese so he translates from english. Then the english gets translated into all other languages. I swear I heard about a poem that was translated inot english then intp hungarian then the hungarian inot german,the german into norvegian and the norvegian into hungarian again. It was just as fresh as ever,only the meaning changed a bit" tl;dr They don't speak chinese. They worked based on the english/german versions
Dominic Ross
Reminds me of how the likes of Dostoyevski were only available in editions translated from German here back then.
Colton Stewart
Our sinology is pretty small. There are the five novels (five right?) Outlaws of the marsh has chinese to hungarian translation Journey to the west had chinese to hungarian translation Dream of the red chamber has an abridged chinese to german to hungarian translation Romance of the three kingdoms has no translation And I forgot what the fifth was
Lincoln Parker
It's not much better in Dutch, we only have poor translations from English. Dream of the red chamber is being directly translated from Chinese now, hopefully it will be good.
Oliver Myers
RoTK bugs me a lot. It was about to have a translation directly from chinese. The first six episodes were made,but the publisher didn't order the rest. >me Beyond mad
So I must import one from England if I want to read it.
But most of the classic philosophy got a direct translation Art of war has 3-4 The annalects has one Tao Te Ching has 2-3(not sure)(one is a verse version of the prose version) zhuangzi has one. And Mencius has one too,but I haven't managed to track that down The Way of war has one too.This is recent,made in 2016.
Most of them haven't been published since the 80s-90s. The art of war also has a bunch of other military themed books bundled with it.
Ian Ward
Do the Hungarians also have this bizarre habit of referring to Chinese names and places in English when using their own language? It's really strange.
Dominic Watson
I don't exactly get what you mean.
Eli Richardson
Let's put it like this: you're writing in Hungarian about a movie with a Chinese title. Will they translate the title to Hungarian, keep the original title or use the English one? They always pick the last option here. Dutch people even copy this in their speech. They don't say 夜市 or nachtmarkt when speaking Dutch, but night market instead. Really strange, I don't get it.
Aaron Baker
Not really. It's usually goes like >Dalok könyve (Si king) So they refer to it by the hungarian title if there is one and then the original chinese title with the most commong hungarian romanization. Sometimes even with characters. But mostly just the hungarian name. Lun Yu (lün jü) wasn't even mentioned in my copy of the annalects.(maybe at the beginning) It's referred to as "Beszélgetések és Mondások" Which roughly translates into "Conversations and sayings"
best is 周 independent nations with a de facto king qin is bad because of the unification 'china' should be a loose alliance of nations, not a unified empire
>qin >not at fault for destroying inquantifiable ammounts of books Burning books is bad. (On the otherhand,Confucius is famous today because his works survived the purge.Except fot the "book of music")
Sebastian Ramirez
The Qin wasn't as evil as people say, a lot of it is Han propaganda.
Owen Collins
It was good for the nation overall.Qin managed to invent the concept of unified china,and this concept stood the test of time. (I just value books way too much)
James Parker
or what should you value? >inb4尽信书不如无书
Leo Perez
万木俱焚
Dylan Mitchell
I find knowledge of almost any type valuable. Books are for the gathering of knowledge and art.
But just because you know something,it doesn't mean you should act upon said knowledge.
Elijah Martin
TIL Chongqing is known to have the hottest girls in the country (like Montreal in Canada)
You should add info about the Pleco flashcards to the OP. I was paying for a Skritter account but was able to replace it with a the $10 flashcard addon from Pleco. It's been essential to drilling vocab for me.
And Fluentu is really cool too, but a little expensive.
Also what textbook are you guys using? My uni used Integrated Chinese and they've got an iBooks version of the book that is really easy to read on an iPhone screen. I've heard good things about New Practical Chinese Reader too, though not as smartphone convenient.
Carson Torres
plz post more pic from her
Austin Morgan
>New Practical Chinese Reader that's the book we use at Uni for our literacy lessons
Alexander Garcia
你们喜欢火锅吗?
Nolan Flores
I'm using pic related. It's pretty good and I can learn grammar later. What is the point of grammar if I don't know the letters/characters?
Owen Parker
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Anthony Morris
I find Chinese grammar to be so fucking easy. The word order is fairly similar to English from what I've seen and you don't conjugate shit. I lived in Japan and speak pretty good Japanese so I guess compared to that everything else is grammatically simple. The Japanese conjugate fucking everything, nouns, verbs, adjectives, other conjugations....don't let Japanese people in your house, they'll conjugate it.
I probably fuck up my Chinese grammar more than I realize though, but even still you can be understood pretty easily.
Bentley Bell
>don't let Japanese people in your house, they'll conjugate it. Top kek. I know nothing about the grammar of japanese, but I think it's a pretty language.Sounds so nice. And it's quite easy to make up japanese sounding words in my opinion.
Oliver Foster
欸请问各位匿名,你们都爱吃什么样的年糕?我只会搞炒的,煮的,这俩做法我都吃腻了
Easton Cook
Yea, beautiful language for sure. I still talk to some of my Japanese friends but not enough to make me want to keep studying it. And of course the only people who speak Japanese here are sweaty weebs, but I like drawing and learning the kanji/hanzi so I picked up Chinese. Much more useful and practical and no weebs.
Levi Miller
What advantages are there to learning Mandarin if you never plan on going to China? Talking to chinese qtpis? Impressing the chinese restaurant workers?
Daniel Phillips
你是在泰国留学嘛?
Adrian Anderson
Personal satisfaction if you happen to really love the culture or for that "I climbed that mountain" feel. That's pretty much it. Other than that it's an ungrateful grind and you'd be better off studying something else.
>More work opportunities >Watching chinese dramas with no subtitles >Understanding what they are saying on chinese music > "I climbed that mountain" feel >Impress people >Access to new medias and content >A lot of other asians other than chinese know mandarin >Writing is pretty relaxing for some people
Angel Harris
哇啦啦啦啦啦我的寶貝
Hunter Bennett
nicca I NEED THAT PICTURE on the right nono has QT toes
David Ortiz
Stop with the race fetishism,please
Logan Anderson
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Henry Ramirez
fug
Thomas Harris
Hey mates I've been looking around trying to find a download for 仙剑奇侠传 the GAME not the series. I want the dos version or the XP version. Anyone know where I can find it?
Carson Russell
My problem with things like FluentU and slow chinese is I feel the range of skills they are targetted towards is too small. Like, it basically requires you to understand Chinese, but it's slowed down so if you are good at understanding Chinese then it's boring because it's so slow. I'd usually rather watch stuff where I don't have 100% comprehension but stuff goes by faster.
I've been trying to get it off chinese bit torrent sites (using google). i did try
Andrew Jones
I'm probably going with my friend from Chongqing in a year or two
Andrew James
I'm really interested in the language. I love recognizing characters "in the wild" at random places. I work with a few native speakers.
If you're self teaching, you're going to fail if you do it "4 da qts" or "because it's practical and I can herp and derp and fuck myself in the ass to get a job". Do it for fun or don't bother. If you're really serious, take a class.
Leo Garcia
If you bothered to learn chinese why not try going to China
Aaron Cooper
I believe the german here loves feet more than race tho
Nathan Wright
I'm a little skeptical of going to the mainland. I've heard mainlanders are really rude and gross in public.
Has anyone here been to mainland? I'd be really interested in hearing about how your personal experience went.
Oliver Campbell
I decided to jump into it because I read a lot about china and found it shameful that I just saw "random lines" instead of words. It's fun too. Why learn elven or klingon when you can have the best fantasy language ever? (At least to most people it's more strange than those.)
Angel Thomas
>1437 pictures
bingfeng tw/thread-22250-1-1.html
Jesus H. Christ, still not done scrolling through it but I already found a good stash of foot pictures
Brandon Richardson
> If you're really serious, take a class. HAH
Christopher Adams
>tfw took classes and they were shit (CI) >tfw lack of motivation to seriously self study
My classes were sabotaged by completely shitty classmates. Whatever I got a minor out of it.
Anthony Torres
the extremely chill mofo pouring tea at 23:50 is my homie
but as they say-- the fake that tries to be real is more real than the thing it's imitating
Liam Hughes
Yeah, I admire their dedication. They're obviously highly skilled craftsmen. Too bad they have to work under the radar and cater to shitty tuhao. (wish I were one tho desu)
Nathaniel James
I was in Beijing actually and it was really amazing, people were polite. Of course the biggest problem you would encounter is smog I believe but the Chinese government is investing heavily into green tech to reduce it.
Try it the worst that could happen is that you find it to be bad so you to Taiwan or Hongkong instead. You are bound to enjoy one of the places otherwise you will at least have an amazing story to tell.
Nathan Harris
The high-end forgery is actually quite admirable since the fakes are so identical to the real ones.
Matthew Allen
I'm taking class right now and I understand what you say, tho I am really making the most of it and I have learnt a lot because I was a single student for half a semester
How were they shitty? I haven't really met any other 老外 learning Chinese, the only people I talk to are natives. Are Chinese language students as autistic as Japanese language students?
Gabriel Sanders
For me mostly just not trying at all. Insisting they can't memorize characters. Complaining about rules of the language. That sort of thing
Hunter Thompson
Not him, but from my experiences the people are usually a pretty diverse/interesting crowd and for the most part well-adjusted people (especially compared to the Japanese students, they're mostly greasy weeaboos here) but like 50% of the class is usually incompetents who are stuck at a beginner level for years, 30% have awful pronunciation but do their work, and 20% are actually alright and make a serious effort. Overall it's good for learning new grammar/vocab and keeping motivated, but bad for speaking practice.
John Cruz
Oh, so just lazy morons? I don't get that at all. Why take a language class if you're not even going to try? Do people think it's easy or something? I took a German class in college where there were students at the end of the semester pronouncing 'ich' like 'itch'. How fucking hard is it to say 'ick'?
I've thought about going to Chinese language meetups in my area using the Meetup app, hopefully they won't be chinaweebs.
Sebastian Cruz
I quit because two 12 year olds joined and one of them was completely incapable of pronouncing anything remotely correct, the other one was playing the clown all the time and it was starting to piss me off too much. Then the other guys all quit after the first course anyway and I was left with this stuttering autist who had yellow fever and an overly excited Croatian chick who had more joy in telling the teacher nonstop that she is Croatian and how she had Chinese friends in Croatia than anything else. One guy who quit had a Chink wife, thought she must be ugly because he was kinda weird looking but upon some facebook stalking I found out she is hot AF which made me a bit jealous because I am sure she must have cute feet too.
The textbook is shit on top of that and the pace way too slow.
Jason Wood
You get so many people who don't care because a lot of majors require a few years of a foreign language, and for some reason these idiots think taking Chinese of all things is the best way to get their credits. Basically like your German class. And then there's the people who are too stupid to grasp learning and thinking in another language, and even after 2 years can't correctly pronounce pinyin or tones (no clue how they pass the class). Thankfully, there are always at least a few autists who are really interested in language-learning so I just associate with them. Good luck with your meetups... at least if they're all chinaboos, there's always 8888888 chinese basic bitches online learning english who will gladly teach you about 5000 years of history and how 热水 is good for the healthy :^)
Thomas Turner
You know I've come around to agree with them about the reshui. It is just better than cold water.
Levi Young
If I watch one episode of drama a day how long till i'm fluent?
Liam Davis
But you'll have to watch an episode of drama a day, not worth
Ryder Thomas
FUCKING COMPLEMENTS WHY
Carter Wood
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Alexander Sanders
你太棒了
Aaron Carter
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Nolan Ross
still better than reading books tho
Jeremiah Adams
I started out with Integrated and one called Elementary Chinese, last year I was using All Things Considered and a custom book made by my professor that has some Defense Language Institute GLOSS articles, and this year I'll be going through the rest of All Things Considered along with "Confucius' Analects: An Advanced Reader of Chinese Language and Culture"
Aaron Hughes
我不会说中国。
你门喜欢王老吉吗? 就是味道有些怪
Asher Campbell
What drama? Most of them are unbearable for stoic manly man like myself.
Colton Reed
i'm like 26 eps into 欢乐颂 and although it's a soap it at least tries to be kinda realistic
It's literally the second drama I've watched though so it's not like I have a lot of experience that I can give advice based on. Maybe when I finish it ill try something that tries to have a plot
Joshua Ward
Okay what's some good chink music that has music videos with lyrics shown on the video
>the guy that seems not to know Mandarin has tones >people who end every sentence in a questioning tone >the German girl who sings MEEEEI YOOOOOOU in a high pitched voiced everytime the teacher asks if there are questions and the people who laugh with her every single time because mei you is so funny >the balding manlet neckbeard who tries to fit in with the normies >omg 灣 is so difficult hahaha i am not going to write this!
>having to wait until every single student has finished saying a sentence until the teacher goes on to the next one >having to do simple stuff over and over again because of stupid classmates who are only there for the credits >teacher going through the list of characters for the next lesson and just stating their translation and wasting 30 minutes of classtime for this
And then after class you have to deal with the Taiwanese on the street who don't watch where they are walking, cut you off blatantly, suddenly stop walking when in front of you, stare at you with a blank face when they give themselves priority again as always, cars taking priority every single time, people walking in the way when you are on your bicycle even though they see you coming BUT THEY JUST DON'T FUCKING CARE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Finally have let go of my frustrations of the 6 months of living here. Apart from that this place is amazing.
Jackson Kelly
I need to learn Chinese as quickly as possible. I'm about halfway through the spoonfed Chinese Anki deck but I need to do more.
Where can I download .txt versions of Chinese books? I'm still new to Chinese internet.
Owen Baker
Since the fake one is as close to the authentic one as possible. Why don't go after the fake one to have a very affordable price piece of high end 'art'?
Also couldn't we call them the "craftsman of historical art style imitation" rather than "craftsman of forgery"?
Austin Rodriguez
Where do you consume your Chinese dramas? Torrent? Bilibili?
