I did not expect this. I did not ask for this. This shit tore me up inside. Where is my fun space soap?

I did not expect this. I did not ask for this. This shit tore me up inside. Where is my fun space soap?

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That's the power of Janeway.

She makes the rules and you don't, playa'.

Damn! This shit makes my brain hurt.

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u mad?

>fun
I think you're confusing trek for lost in space or something.

Not mad. Sad and sad that Janeway took a decision based on her own personal feelings rather than the rights of an individual to life. The lives of Tuvok and Neelix had been forfeit. Whether by design or accident it is irrelevant. The fact that nobody was willing to step in and tell Janeway she was fucking wrong and a cold hearted murderer makes it even worse. Her decicion also broke both the law and the federation code. If it were possible, would you allow someone to kill you to bring back your parents who had died in an accident? Remember the will to survive is quite strong regardless of your family ties.

>First of all, while Tuvok and Neelix were innocent throughout this incident, Tuvix purposely deprived the two of life for his own sake. While the transporter may be responsible for the initial merging, Tuvix's refusal to remedy the situation makes him guilty of the twos' continued destruction. Secondly, unlike Tuvix, the two men had histories, families, and essential roles on the ship

That argument sounds like a serious slippery slope if constantly applied

>it's a "Data is infected by an organic virus" episode
>it's a "Voyager is infected by an organic virus" episode
Why is this allowed?

This comes down to the God complex. As I stated above. You are given the power to 'revive' the dead. In this case both Tuvok and Neelix have for all intents and purposes...passed on. The merged entity although an amalgamation of the biological and mental properties of the two is still in fact...a single entity and sentient to boot. It is self aware and fully comprehends its own demise. Thus it desires to continue in its existence for as long as possible.

Janeway assumed the role of a God in making a judgement based on a personal emotional response. She desires the return of her two lost colleagues as does the rest of the crew. They are also complicit in this decision by simple act of not going against her. But that is the entering into an argument of whether you go against 'God' (The captain who has the final word on everything on the ship apart from the doctor who could have stepped in and said she is unfit to make such a decision due to mental impairment or going against starfleet code).

Again. If you could kill an innocent to revive two other innocents who had already passed on would you? Janeway decided to break every code she holds dear for personal gain.

Transporter trace Thomas Riker.

>We'll head down to engineering, store ourselves in the transporter buffer, and wait for all this to blow over.
It was a solid plan until Scotty ate the other guy.

My sides...his sides....into orbit!

>Geordi to Enterprise, there's some sort of pattern lodged in the buffer, it's too large to be human, possibly a whale.

Careful. That whale knows the ship like the back of its hand. Oh shit its hit a bulkhead. Abandon ship!

Is that red matter?

Any way we can get you to replace the Riker's genitals guy?

At least Voyager had "bio-neural" gel packs that simulated organic matter.
Data, on the other hand, was entirely non-biological.
>Still we can feel grateful because we got to see Tasha lookin' sexy before getting that Android [CENSORED]

"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."

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Am I the only to think that Tuvok would've found the situation wholly untenable after the fact?
Vulcans are constantly shown to be the real Trek race in terms of willingness to die for one's principles and I think he would've found Janeway's decision grossly out of line.

There was even an episode where Janeway and the crew end up in "The Void" (Season 5) and later Chakotay, Tuvok, and then the rest of the crew have to decide whether to let the Captain hold off the Malon for the race being poisoned by them.

There was a scene in that show where Chakotay and Tuvok are being blunt with each other and they both agree "She's as stubborn as a Klingon".. Tuvok replies "To put it mildly" in regards to her inability to change once she's made up her mind.

She has to be the biggest fuck up of a captain in terms of hypocrisy, ethics & morality, and shows she embodies all the stereotypes they wished to dissuade with the show in women: can't get around her feelings to make the best decision for her crew.

Let me redhypospray you on bio-neural gel packs, /trek/.

Feeling the difference now isn't the reason to store holograms on bio-neural gel. Bio-neural circuitry uses lossless compression, while isolinear circuitry is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the holofile sits on your isolinear storage assembly, it will lose roughly 12% cohesion, assuming you have isolinear chips - it's about 15% depolarization on isolinear memory modules, but only 7% fragmentation on isolinear rods, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on duotronics or other optronic media.

I started collecting holoprograms in about 2347, and if I try to play any of the holosimulations I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320% efficient encoding, they just run like an Armus. The polygon vector resolution is terrible, the midrange photonic balance... well don’t get me started. Some of those holoprojections have degraded down to 32 or even 16 fractal recursion layers. Holonovels stored on bio-neural gel from the same period still run great, even if they weren’t stored correctly, in a cool, dry computer core. Seriously, stick to bio-neural gel, you may not be able to feel the difference now, but in a thousand stardates or two, you’ll be glad you did.

>mfw this is probably canon

>its a recycled story episode

Further evidence that Janeway was unfit for duty but would've destroyed the EMH on her way out.
>since when did the federation condone "hanging"?
>"it was facetious you fucking moron"
>CAN YOU REALLY BE SO SURE?

>it's an Enterprise episode that's just Shadowplay again
>it's an Enterprise episode that's just One again
>it's an Enterprise episode that's just Jetrel + The Visitor again
Wew.

Ugh, Voyager had so much potential and pissed it all away

DS9 is the only good Star Trek show

ds9 was the worst series, even worse than that prequel one that nobody watched. The whole point of star trek is to be comfy sci-fi and ds9 ruined it by being filled with nonsensical religious bullshit.

k

The religious stuff is like 1% of what DS9 was, fedora tipper

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What organic virus does Data get infected with?

Which episode?

The one where he has sex with Tasha.

THE SISKOOOOO

was he infected or just reluctant to disagree with Tasha?

In the early episodes of TNG he's super robot-like in how he deals with things.

I'm willing to argue he wasn't infected.

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Stop posting, please.

Explain why I'm wrong and show that Data was infected by the same virus that made everyone drunk.

I actually really like this personal flaw in Janeway, she wanted her best friend back and being an emotional human being that isn't perfect she made a questionable decision, great. Honestly I liked Janeway all through voyager with the exception of that series finale where it felt like they didn't know how to actually end the show so they just made up some flashy bullshit.

He was so drunk that he fell down on the floor of the bridge.

He was also cured by the same cure that cured everyone else.

>makes enemies with almost every new species they encounter

>only maintained friendly relations with like 2 races during the entire trip


why was janeway such a shitty diplomat? It's like she WANTED to get attacked constantly.

her main focus was to get home, not to become friends with everyone she met
if she'd been there on official federation business she'd have been a lot more diplomatic in her encounters

It's shown several times throughout the show if she just used more diplomacy they would have gotten home faster

Hell, they say that in the finale

Janeway represents the Federation, regardless of her mission. Just because getting home is the priority doesn't mean she gets to ruin every first contact and leave a trail of destruction in her wake.

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Angry reminder Dukat did everything right.

DS9 episode 1:
>"Don't go in that wormhole, Dukat. The Prophets will get you if you do."
>"Please, Major, everything will be fine. AAAHHH, IT'S NOT FINE, SOMEBODY SAVE ME, AAAAAHHHHH."

DS9 episode 130:
>*wheezes* "I cannot al-low hyou to let THOSE SHIPS hinto the Al-pha Quad-rant, Dukattington!" *laughs maniacally*
>"Please, Benjamin, everything will be fine. AAAHHH, IT'S NOT FINE, I NEED MY ZIYAL, AAAAAHHHHH."

That reminds me of a section in the Star Trek Next Generation Technical Manual. It implies that a Galaxy class ship has dolphins and a couple whales on board doing guidance and navigation research.

i remember these fuckers. theres one who looks like giorgio tsoukalosand even does that "aliens" pose he does. i remember that years ago i put "humans" on it

They're probably Xindi

It belongs to the world now.

>ds9 started off great
>storyline based around a provisional government created after a 50 year occupation
>dukat was a complex character with a multifaceted and conflicting moral code

>end of series
>wars and assploshuns
>dukat is a mustache twirling villain with the "archenemy to sisko theme shoved down our throat

Deep shit 9

Actually, in Prey, she explicitly disregards the safety of her ship all on the premise that being nice and saving the life of one single Species 8472 alien who invade her ship and had 6 Hirogen ready to kill her is the right thing to do.

It had nothing to do with her getting the crew home, it had to do with an abysmally low level of intelligence and adherence to federation dogma to the point where Seven was entirely right yet the writers presented her as being entirely right the entire time, no other member of the crew spoke up (similar to the Tuvix situation).

8/10 meme, would repost.

TNG, DS9, and Voyager are all great shows. They all have their flaws and plenty of shitty episodes but overall they make great television.

fantastic

If we're talking about the Kazon, I think they're getting triggered when they learned a woman is commanding an advanced starship like Voyager

I'll believe it when I see it.

Lads and lasses, it's 2016 and Nana Visitor is still a cute.

A CUTE.

She doesn't look that much older

>litierally just learned she's getting the MIC from Bashir irl

the entire argument is stupid because no one was actually killed.
Did the personality known a Tuvix cease to be, yes, but his physical makeup was merely split in two, returning him to his component parts.
taking parts out of a computer doesn't destroy the computer, it merely disassembles it.

Furthermore, the two he merged from arent dead. His continued existence doesn't mean their continued death.

the argument is simply whether they had the right to force tuvix into something he didn't want to do.

And guess what? Every government on the fucking planet does that.

Oooh... im a DS9 fan and even i know that's beyond wrong.

>Argues that being relies on something other than knowing you exist but doesn't clarify what
>Appeals to government authority
Know how I know you're underage? ;^)

>didn't argue that
>didn't appeal to that
try again

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If this had been an episode of DS9, then Sisko would have kept his children. And they would have appeared at least once a season for the rest of the series. And he would have taught them how to play baseball.

Janeway is heartless.

>>didn't argue that
>>the entire argument is stupid because no one was actually killed.
Yeah? Gonna go ahead and describe how that second quote isn't saying Tuvok and Neelix aren't dead despite their continued consciousness being snuffed?
>>didn't appeal to that
>>And guess what? Every government on the fucking planet does that.
Yeah? You sure about that?

Janeway did nothing wrong in this episode, and you're delusional if you think it was any different from decisions taken by other captains/crews routinely.
On what grounds do you think Tuvix had any more right to life than, say, Spider-Barclay, or Evil-Transporter-Kirk, or Slug-Janeway? How about the time Riker killed his clones or Picard shot his future self?
Janeway does crazy shit a lot, don't get me wrong, but everybody who criticizes her for this episode seems to forget 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' and precedents set by every other Trek series.

I wonder if those children kept on breeding.

There could be an entire subspecies of lizards on that planet by now

With their parents no longer taking care of them, they probably died.

Bigger issue is if is it rape?

Yes, Janeway raped Paris

Janeway gets what she wants.

>that cringey scene where Janeway flirts with Tom after being reverted to their human form

While I never thought she was THAT hot, she's aged remarkably well. Well enough that those who used to be hotter than her are not anymore.
>had the chance to meet her at a convention
Fuck, I should've went, but I hadn't even watched DS9 by that time, but I knew I was gonna watch it eventually.

I here barely anyone was in line to meet her. ;_;

>Spider-Barclay was cured - consciousness never died
>Slug Janeway converted back to human - consciousness changed but never died
>Evil Transporter Kirk suffered from a schizophrenic type of disorder - they didn't deal with two beings in one Kirk, just one Kirk who was psychotic. They were getting their Captain back because it was inferred he couldn't be brought back to his normal health.
>Riker's clones weren't completed in their incubation and never even experienced one waking moment. Still bad but not even close to Tuvix
>Picard had to kill his future self so "the cycle would end". Did you even watch the entire episode? They die if he doesn't die.

All of your examples don't even come close to the Tuvix example.

oh wow. she could play the ultimate version of aunt may

am I the only bud here who thinks it's neat as hell that DeForrest Kelley AND Robert Picard were pre-med students before deciding on acting?

I think that's just about the neatest lilttle factoid

Came here to post exactly this.

Why did you post a picture of a pedophile?

Hey Sup Forums-52's, that wasn't a virus.

The Traveler was hardly a pedophile.
At least Wesley was 22-ish when he decided to "go away" with the guy into some gay realm of wonderment.

Neelix on the other hand was the sexual succor of a 1 year old who was pre-pubescent.

Look at her straddling that chair arm

what did he mean by this?

don't like her hair but still hnnnggg

>"But Captain, can't we at least wait until we get back to the Federation and let their top scientists, scholars, and philosophers figure out what to do about me?"
>"From this point on no talking."

Good GOD she is looking fantastic.

NEELIX DID NOTHING WRONG

Every rape Neelix committed in Kazon territory was completely legal under Kazon law.

>Everyone has a cloak except the Federation.
No way in hell humans would agree to this, ever. Especially after they win the fucking war against the other parties. That would be like the US giving nukes to everyone after WW2 and not making any of its own.

Sorry Sisko, Crusher did it in 1987.

It was necessary for the Romulans to agree to the peace. The leaders had to look like they had "won" something.

Source: My butt.

Yes but then normies raged so hard against glass that Google was forced to shelve the project.

They didn't take kindly to expensive tech in their hipster hood.

>'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few'
Lt. Cmdr. Data: Would you choose one life over one thousand, sir?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: I refuse to let arithmetic decide questions like that.

Who is the best chief medical officer, and why is it Abdul Ibn-Al Takbir Mohammed Al-Jazeera Bashir?

Gene probably disliked the idea of Fed ships being cloaked all the time; its Star Trek not Stealth Trek

Name a single good Bashir episode that isn't actually an O'Brien episode in disguise.

kek

What did Bashir mean by this?

> took a decision based on her own personal feelings rather than the rights of an individual to life.

This is such a silly argument. You are akin to those freaks in the trolley problem who refuse to press the switch to save 2 lives instead of the one guy because "that's the path the trolley is on". There is NO moral distinction in this scenario between Tuvok and Neelix being alive and making the decision to keep them alive instead of forming Tuvix, and Tuvix being alive and returning him to his constituent parts. None whatsoever.

uhhh

what is this?

A scar